wooly 24 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Out last night running the terriers through some thick cover hoping for a run with the lurcher when my Pat dog came across a neighbour of mine walking his spaniel off the lead. I got to about a yard from him before they set about each other my pat locked on too the spaniels shoulder, had a nightmare getting him to release but eventually got him off and with lots of apologies from me we parted company. This morning note through the door had to take the Spaniel to the vet emergency operation, tonight through the door £600 vet bill what a nightmare. I've been onto Countryside Alliance and I "should" be covered on my insurance if not looks like it will be out of my pocket. Just a warning to other lads no body likes dogs to fight but it does happen especially with working terriers so make sure you have some sort of cover because it seems if the other dog comes off the worst your liable for the bill. Has any one else come across similar? Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Out last night running the terriers through some thick cover hoping for a run with the lurcher when my Pat dog came across a neighbour of mine walking his spaniel off the lead. I got to about a yard from him before they set about each other my pat locked on too the spaniels shoulder, had a nightmare getting him to release but eventually got him off and with lots of apologies from me we parted company.This morning note through the door had to take the Spaniel to the vet emergency operation, tonight through the door £600 vet bill what a nightmare. I've been onto Countryside Alliance and I "should" be covered on my insurance if not looks like it will be out of my pocket. Just a warning to other lads no body likes dogs to fight but it does happen especially with working terriers so make sure you have some sort of cover because it seems if the other dog comes off the worst your liable for the bill. Has any one else come across similar? his dog was off the lead no case mate has your dog any cut go to the vet and do the same , Quote Link to post
rangers 0 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 tell him to shove the 600 bill up his arse.. 2 dogs were of the lead it happins and if his dog went for your dog to so its not like your dogs all to blame tell him to f**k off Quote Link to post
darrell jnr 16 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 gotta agree with the other fella saying totell him to feck off...his dog was off lead too ,would,nt of thought he had a case or you a case to answer...if ya have then fight it..all the best ..darrell Quote Link to post
pattstaff 157 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 I would agree with all these other boys,I wouldnt think you have a case to answer just because his dog came off worse doesnt mean you should foot the bill. What strikes me aswell is that I think this is probably another cause of a vet who thinks his title is a license to print money.I think vets through there extreme over charging are indirectly responsible for a lot of cruelty to animals in this country because people who have animals that need treatment are afraid to take there dog to them for fear of having to take out a small mortgage to pay the bill!! Quote Link to post
Hunter of T-N-G 1 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) You could be served with a civil action that they would have to fund, but there is no criminal legislation for a dog on dog fight even if they are on or off leads, if you were on public land then you could be liable for not havng your dog under control the only exemption is for Greyhounds which are covered in a different act, which technically covers lurchers too but has not been enforced to my knowledge. I dont walk my dogs anywhere off the lead now I am likely to encounter other pet dogs, pet dogs often have no sense of pack position and therefore often provoke and instiaget fights they can not win or even handle, my dogs never fight with other working dogs including lurchers terrier hounds and crosses, but twice they have had a barney with pet dogs off who were off the lead and mine were on, it annoyed me greatly as I had spent many hours socialising my dogs from pups that I could take them hunting with anyone. I would definitely not pay anything. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dog Control Bill [HL] It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this Act to prove that— 35 (a) the dog was provoked into an attack; ( the attack was in self-defence; © the dog was a service dog; or (d) the attack was on a trespasser Contents 1 Responsibility for dogs 2 Control of dogs 3 Control notices 4 Prosecution 5 Powers to seize and destroy dogs 6 Repeals 7 Short title, interpretation, commencement and extent HL Bill 9 54/4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dog Control Bill [HL] 1 A Bill To Make provision about the control of dogs and their welfare; and for connected purposes. Be it enacted by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:— 1 Responsibility for dogs (1) In this Act, references to a person being responsible for a dog are to a person responsible for a dog whether on a permanent or temporary basis. (2) In this Act, references to being responsible for a dog include being in charge of it. 5 (3) For the purposes of this Act, a person who owns a dog shall always be regarded as being a person who is responsible for it. (4) For the purposes of this Act, a person shall be treated as responsible for any dog for which a person under the age of 16 years in their care and control is responsible. 10 2 Control of dogs No person shall— (a) allow a dog for which they are responsible to be aggressive or dangerously out of control, in either a public or a private place; ( encourage a dog to be aggressive or to intimidate people or other 15 animals; © breed dogs for fighting; (d) keep a dog that has been used for fighting; (e) keep a dog that has attacked a person or another animal. HL Bill 9 54/4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dog Control Bill [HL] 2 3 Control notices (1) If an officer of a police force or local authority is of the opinion that a person is failing to comply with section 2, but the dog in question has not yet been involved in an attack, the officer may serve on the person responsible for the dog a control notice which— 5 (a) states that the officer is of that opinion; ( specifies the respects in which the officer considers the person is failing to comply with the provisions of section 2; © specifies the steps the officer considers need to be taken in order to comply with the provisions; 10 (d) specifies a period for the taking of those steps. (2) The steps which an officer may stipulate in a control notice pursuant to subsection (1)© include— (a) keeping the dog muzzled when in public; ( keeping the dog on a lead when in public; 15 © arranging for the dog to be neutered; (d) placing a microchip in the dog; (e) arranging for the dog to undergo training; and (f) arranging for the dog to be re-homed. 4 Prosecution 20 (1) Failure of a person to comply with section 2 of this Act shall be an offence. (2) A person guilty of an offence under section 2 of this Act shall be liable to— (a) a control order which requires the person responsible for the dog to comply with a control notice (where the person has not previously complied); 25 ( a disqualification order which disqualifies the person responsible for the dog from keeping dogs for a specified period of time; © a deprivation order which removes custody of the dog from the person responsible for it; (d) a destruction order which stipulates that the dog in question must be 30 destroyed; (e) a fine; or (f) imprisonment. (3) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this Act to prove that— 35 (a) the dog was provoked into an attack; ( the attack was in self-defence; © the dog was a service dog; or (d) the attack was on a trespasser. (4) In proceedings for an offence under section 2 of this Act or failure to comply 40 with the provisions set out in a control notice, if the proceedings are against a person who is the owner of a dog but was not at the material time in charge of it, it shall be a defence for the accused to prove that the dog was at the material time in the charge of a person whom he reasonably believed to be a fit and proper person to be in charge of it. 45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dog Control Bill [HL] 3 (5) Where a person makes an order under subsection (2)(d) for the destruction of a dog owned by a person other than the offender, the owner may appeal to the Crown Court against the order. 5 Powers to seize and destroy dogs (1) An officer of a police force or a local authority authorised by it to exercise the 5 powers conferred by this section may seize any dog which, in public, fails to comply with section 2 of this Act. (2) If a justice of the peace is satisfied by information on oath that there are reasonable grounds for believing that an offence under any provision of this Act is being or has been committed on any premises, the justice of the peace 10 may issue a warrant authorising a constable to enter those premises (using such force as is necessary) and to search them and seize any dog or other thing found there which is evidence of the commission of such an offence. (3) A court may issue a destruction order for the disposal of any dogs held prior to trial for prosecutions under section 2 of this Act if it is thought necessary to 15 protect the dog’s welfare. 6 Repeals The following Acts are repealed— (a) the Dogs Act 1871 (c. 56); ( the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 (c. 65); 20 © the Dangerous Dogs (Amendment) Act 1997 (c. 53). 7 Short title, interpretation, commencement and extent (1) This Act may be cited as the Dog Control Act 2008. (2) In this Act— “local authority†has the same meaning as in section 149 of the 25 Environmental Protection Act 1990 (c. 43). “public place†means any street, road or other place (whether or not enclosed) to which the public have or are permitted to have access whether for payment or otherwise and includes the common parts of a building containing two or more separate dwellings. 30 (3) For the purposes of this Act a dog shall be regarded as dangerously out of control on any occasion on which there are grounds for reasonable apprehension that it will injure any person, whether or not it actually does so, but references to a dog injuring a person or there being grounds for reasonable apprehension that it will do so do not include references to any case in which 35 the dog is being used for a lawful purpose by a constable or a person in the service of the Crown. (4) For the purposes of this Act a dog shall be regarded as having been in an attack if it has bitten, mauled or injured a person or another animal. (5) This Act shall come into force on such day as the Secretary of State may by 40 order appoint. (6) This Act extends to England and Wales only. Edited April 9, 2009 by Hunter of T-N-G Quote Link to post
wooly 24 Posted April 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Thanks for the advice lads. I work my dog regular with other dogs no problems, I’ll talk to CSA legal on Tuesday and see where I stand I’ll find out if it’s worth the subscription! The guy just stood there like a moron didn’t even help me get them apart well pi---d of about the whole affair I just no he’s going to milk it for all its worth. I’ll let you know the out come. Quote Link to post
OldNog 432 Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Thanks for the advice lads. I work my dog regular with other dogs no problems, I’ll talk to CSA legal on Tuesday and see where I stand I’ll find out if it’s worth the subscription!The guy just stood there like a moron didn’t even help me get them apart well pi---d of about the whole affair I just no he’s going to milk it for all its worth. I’ll let you know the out come. I cant see that there is anything for him to milk from! Send the bill back with your autograph, because thats what i recon he is after Quote Link to post
mbrydenuk 14 Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 This happened to me a while back my dogs were off lead (but close to me)and a westie came runnin at them barking ,so my wee lakie bitch got laid in and tore a chunk out its back leg the cuxt had the cheek to come to my door with a bill for £98 he got told to get to fuxk aswell ,dont pay it mate and £600 was the dog split in half. Quote Link to post
TheBrock 11 Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 hows mable doin wooly Quote Link to post
Hunting-top-shots 2 Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 I would not pay the cash if the worst came to the worst it is your word agains his. both dogs were of the lead and just because the patt gave him a leson don't mean that the patt started it!!! it is one of the family pets and the kids love her. Cheers HTS Quote Link to post
Guest ozzy Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 put a note in his door dip in petrol he wont put any more in yours Quote Link to post
Malt 379 Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Personally I wouldn't pay it because both dogs were off leads. I'd do him a favour and recommend a new vet though, that £600 seems fecking pricey! Quote Link to post
lurchers 2,606 Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 thats a bit pricey did it take the spaniels leg off for that price.if both dogs were off the lead then its both the owners faults and shit happens but i wouldnt pay that and if the shoe was on the other foot would he pay it for you Quote Link to post
shepp 2,285 Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 I would go and see his vet to make sure the guy is not trying to have you over, if 600 quid is right then the vet is having him over, in that case as your dog caused the injury i would pay 200 pounds. Too many people try and shirk responsibility these days and i think if people don't have honour than really we hav'nt progressed much from apes. Shepp Quote Link to post
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