plummer

[Keeps 403]

Serously i joined keeps's tpt forum not long ago and as expected found it to be all a bit pretend. There are more people on there buying into the plummer terrier and putting pics on of them being cuddled on fluffy sofas etc. than work. There are many threads asking how and when to start there dogs off on rats??? As i said a bunch of beginners. Does the pt need this kind of promotion i think not.

 

It is a shame that people like A dungworth feel as they do but they are right to feel this way. Watching a breed they once loved being ran by a bunch of amatuers can't be easy. People pretending to work there dogs often feel the need to prove it on forums. It is a shame cos the people who really work there plummers to ground are not bothered with all the shite. And believe me a plummer can make an excellent earth dog in the right hands. I never had any problems and still no of plummers that can work fox with the best of em.

Its a general forum for enthusiasts of plummer terriers - its not specifically a hunting forum. We have lots of members, some very experienced, some completely green and new to the dogs and to hunting. Theres nothing wrong with people asking how to get started and wanting to learn - it happens on here too - a specific hunting forum (and theres plenty of fluffy pics and non-hunting posts on here too). Edited to add not all the working sections on the PT forum are viewable to new members - you have to have made a number of posts to be able to view them

 

The majority of people have plummers as mooching/bushing/ratting dogs, theres nothing wrong with that if thats what they want to do. There are also people on the forum with an interest in working fox with them - there are gamekeepers, pest controllers amongst the forum members and we have a few who don't even own plummers, but have an interest in them. It's a place where people can retreat to get away from this type of "8 pages of shite", where members have a respect for each other - the only place where people can talk plummers without all the silly rubbish that goes on here and elsewhere. There are plenty of good genuine people interested in working plummers the way they should be, but a lot are probably put off posting on places like this because of a few clowns who for some reason continue to be allowed to goad, provoke and generally cause as much trouble on here as they can.

[fireman 10,794]

Keep's site is a place where you won't see"8 pages of shite" which ain't a bad thing as it goes,although a little frustraighting at times keeping your mouth shut it has it's site rules and when you join you accept them. At times when members don't see eye to eye you can caught up in others rows,something i am gulity of myself as it goes but as i say i knew the rules and in respect of them i do keep my mouth shut and if i see something that is missleading i have learnt that sometimes it's better to keep stum .Have to say the folks on there have dogs from all camps and kennels and politics does show it's head at times but hasn't ever got to what we see on other plummer sites,just about the dogs and the crack the owners have with them.Best plummer site there is as it goes and shows how diverse a terrier the plummer can be.Some truth in what you say in your last post Bark and have to agree with most of it,some i don't know about but even i can see(as a newbie to the breed)that goal posts have been and are moved to suit..

[Guest 10/22]

In the hands of rothwell this hasn't been achieved due to her lack of knowledge in how to outcross.

 

I take it you do then? if so lets see your dogs and hear of your achievements with them ,or are you, as I presume , just another spouter with no goods and lots of opinions of how it shouldhave been done, without actually doing or contributing, we can all criticise .

[bark 0]

In the hands of rothwell this hasn't been achieved due to her lack of knowledge in how to outcross.

 

I take it you do then? if so lets see your dogs and hear of your achievements with them ,or are you, as I presume , just another spouter with no goods and lots of opinions of how it shouldhave been done, without actually doing or contributing, we can all criticise .

 

Contribute to what. You being able to sell your dogs for £££££££££. Contribute to kc rec. No way. Critisise i will as it is based on fact and you never new what you were doing. I had a good idea when you got involved that you would commercialise the breed and take take take. Even Brian wasn't sure about you but felt he had no option cos no one was listening to him or wanted to carry out his plans. Said you were cluless and hoped he would live long enough to make sure you didn't balls it up. Said he had left the breed in the hands of idiots just before he died. Says it all really and i must be honest you haven't proved him wrong. There looks to be more trouble within your breed at present tahn there ever was.

 

On the subject of outcross, yes i do know how to do it properly. Then again it is hardly rocket science is it? So why didn't you follow Brians plans? Was it because you were not able to do so because you wanted to make a fast penny out of breeding them? Would have took longer and more effort to do it properly. Longer to breed a type that was acceptable and charge loads of money for them.

 

Looking at your input on here and it doesn't really beenfit the breed does it. Infact it looks like you are hated amongst other plummer folk. that many people can't be wrong surely.

 

Bye bye.

[Guest 10/22]

In the hands of rothwell this hasn't been achieved due to her lack of knowledge in how to outcross.

 

I take it you do then? if so lets see your dogs and hear of your achievements with them ,or are you, as I presume , just another spouter with no goods and lots of opinions of how it shouldhave been done, without actually doing or contributing, we can all criticise .

 

Contribute to what. You being able to sell your dogs for £££££££££. Contribute to kc rec. No way. Critisise i will as it is based on fact and you never new what you were doing. I had a good idea when you got involved that you would commercialise the breed and take take take. Even Brian wasn't sure about you but felt he had no option cos no one was listening to him or wanted to carry out his plans. Said you were cluless and hoped he would live long enough to make sure you didn't balls it up. Said he had left the breed in the hands of idiots just before he died. Says it all really and i must be honest you haven't proved him wrong. There looks to be more trouble within your breed at present tahn there ever was.

 

On the subject of outcross, yes i do know how to do it properly. Then again it is hardly rocket science is it? So why didn't you follow Brians plans? Was it because you were not able to do so because you wanted to make a fast penny out of breeding them? Would have took longer and more effort to do it properly. Longer to breed a type that was acceptable and charge loads of money for them.

 

Looking at your input on here and it doesn't really beenfit the breed does it. Infact it looks like you are hated amongst other plummer folk. that many people can't be wrong surely.

 

Bye bye.

 

 

looks like I touched a raw nerve then, I take it by your sporadic outburst, you havent bred a line of dogs then ?and have nothing to show us all in order to prove what sue did to be wrong. you cant tell everyone she was wrong without showing us all something you have achieved which is right , thats pretty stupid. As for the so called haters? who? its all propoganda, it raises the profile of the breed, which cant be bad. As for money?, like I've said before it only bothers those who havent any , its always the same old boring chestnut, put another record on lol

[bark 0]

Raw nerve no. remember i have nothing to prove or answer to. it is you that is constantly telling people how good you are and what you have achieved.How does me showing you what i breed show what rothwell has done to be wrong. Now that really is stupid of you. To determine if an outcross has been done properly takes more than a few pics or words. The proof is in the breeding and if you have widened a gene pool by outcrossing. So i ask. Did you realise what brian wanted. I am not talking about type or anything like that. i am talking about creating the extra lines that would have benefitted the plummer massively. I don't think you have have you? Clueless or just greedy. All propoganda you say. Again lies. you are hated and no one will deal with you is fact. If you ever decide to get out of the breed let me know and i will probably get another one. There are more people who feel the same. got out cos of you and the other muppets. It is a shame cos the plummer is genuinely a good working terrier in the right hands. It is a shame that the breed has lost many terriermen due to you ilk.

[Guest 10/22]

If a small woman, puts off burley terriermen, then they arent as tough as they make out, whats their problem, sue did what they couldnt and they are now backed into a corner with nowhere to go unless they add some legion blood? frightened of giving credit?

As for telling people how good the dogs are, we have no need to, the dogs speak for themselves, when they cant then they are no good, and I'll be the first to say this, dont worry about that laddie.

 

Its ok hiding behind a pseudo name, come forward and show yourself, hiding behind mommies pinny is hardly credible, if you want to step into the arena at least have the guts to show yourself.

Edited December 8, 2008 by 10/22

[luke 2]

i agree with bark the out crosses were shit

[Guest 10/22]

We have pures as well , in equal numbers does that mean only 50% of our stuff is shite

[luke 2]

We have pures as well , in equal numbers does that mean only 50% of our stuff is shite

no it means you should have discontinued the breeding programme when they

didnt amount to anything in stead of churning out shit for pounds

[Guest 10/22]

Thats hardly an answer is it , lukey boy, the same goes for you, come out from behind mommies pinny and show yourself, you are pretty brave from behind a keyboard, lets see your contribution to the gene pool and hear of your achievements, you cant throw accusations with nothing constructive to back it up ? empty vessels and all that springs to mind

[luke 2]

heres a working plummer

my mate has one of the first out crosses its a nice dog but never a worker

so why pass them off as workers

[Guest 10/22]

Mi mate this, mi mate that, you, we are talking about, you what have you done?, not mi mate, he has nothing whatsoever to do with this, its you pointing the finger not him, now show yourself or shut up, one swallow doesnt make a summer

[bark 0]

No one is hiding. I was before your time any way so you wouldn't no who i am and what difference does it make to you proving that you achieved what brian intended. I am not going to say your dogs are shite. There are enough people who have actually owned them say this. leave it to them. Whilst we are on the subject of hiding who am i talking to 10/22. Is it Sue or that dullard of a husband of hers who continues to do her dirty work? whipping boy.

 

So what is to be gained by using legion blood. I honestly can't see what is different in blood terms to that of the pure lines you have heavily inbred to. You see you have achieved nothing different to what is already available blood wise and i hear you have a problem with yours attacking kids at shows. So who needs this in there kennels.

[luke 2]

Mi mate this, mi mate that, you, we are talking about, you what have you done?, not mi mate, he has nothing whatsoever to do with this, its you pointing the finger not him, now show yourself or shut up, one swallow doesnt make a summer

you coudent furrow the ground i have ploughed what do you want to know about me

big shot is it a date your looking for :kiss: