Halfhound 1,343 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 6 hours ago, WILF said: Well, a few things there mate, first and foremost why would the US support politicians whose ideology is anathema to them ?……why is it in the US interest to help people who hate them at heart…..people like David Lammy have made no secret of that. Like can you imagine a good old boy from Texas in places like Islington ?…….what would he say about those chattering class Marxists who make up the civil servants and lecturers and politicians of our country ? He wouldn’t give them the drippings of his nose and I don’t blame him. Secondly, your allies help you when you need support !……we have totally refused to do that as have the rest of Europe…..this is the same Europe that the cream of American youth spilled their blood on the beaches of eighty years ago to free their country’s ! This is the same Britian that was saved from starvation by Atlantic convoys which were escorted by American as well as British ships….theres American bodies at the bottom of the Atlantic because of that. This is the same Europe that has hidden behind American military power and American tax payer dollars from 1945 to the fall of the Soviet Union ! We should be f***ing ashamed of ourselves ! If we are in trouble for fuel and food and manufactured goods it’s not because of trump, it because we have continuously voted for traitors who sold us all out like the total f***ing spineless idiots we are. I absolutely wouldn’t blame America if it just washed it hands totally of Europe after this debacle……who the f***ing hell do we think we are and why are we trusting that our own politicians who obviously hate us are doing what’s in our best interest….about anything…..ever ? Just wondering have you seen the demographics of Dallas or even Texas for that matter? Good old boy f**k me your the pits Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 18,179 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 6 hours ago, WILF said: Well, a few things there mate, first and foremost why would the US support politicians whose ideology is anathema to them ?……why is it in the US interest to help people who hate them at heart…..people like David Lammy have made no secret of that. Like can you imagine a good old boy from Texas in places like Islington ?…….what would he say about those chattering class Marxists who make up the civil servants and lecturers and politicians of our country ? He wouldn’t give them the drippings of his nose and I don’t blame him. Secondly, your allies help you when you need support !……we have totally refused to do that as have the rest of Europe…..this is the same Europe that the cream of American youth spilled their blood on the beaches of eighty years ago to free their country’s ! This is the same Britian that was saved from starvation by Atlantic convoys which were escorted by American as well as British ships….theres American bodies at the bottom of the Atlantic because of that. This is the same Europe that has hidden behind American military power and American tax payer dollars from 1945 to the fall of the Soviet Union ! We should be f***ing ashamed of ourselves ! If we are in trouble for fuel and food and manufactured goods it’s not because of trump, it because we have continuously voted for traitors who sold us all out like the total f***ing spineless idiots we are. I absolutely wouldn’t blame America if it just washed it hands totally of Europe after this debacle……who the f***ing hell do we think we are and why are we trusting that our own politicians who obviously hate us are doing what’s in our best interest….about anything…..ever ? The first part about politicians I agree with but that is just part of being allies. It’s not a one way street there. The second point, where do I start. In fact wwii is a great start, the us wanted nothing to do with the war in Europe until they got f****d by the japs. Not the American politicians or the public. In fact that sounds an awful lot like the situation we’re in here! They became a supplier of equipment which on the face of it was ally like but let’s not forget charged us handsomely for it! None the less we were greatful. They continued this form even when we were as close as we have ever been during the thatcher era, denying direct military support to us when we were actually the ones being attacked in 82. When the shoe is on the other foot huh? The really disgraceful thing here is that in far more recent history of the alliance our forces paid as much if not more than the yanks did over years of conflict after they invoked article five. NATO has only ever served the Americans in direct military action, never another nation. And after all of that there was no decency up front this time, no planning or heads up. Just a narcissistic expectation that we were such f***ing lapdogs that we would rush in to please the great man himself. If our energy or other areas of national security are at risk then it’s a combination and history of bad decisions, most of which I’ve been banging on about for the last ten years, but in this particular instance it is trumps fault. He got played by Netanyahu and is now deflecting. How many Generals of the caliber of Mattis did he consult? Or is he now exclusively surrounded by hawks and sycophants? I really believe this has done significant damage to the US led Western hegemony, as well as the movement that was growing to correct decades of left wing insanity. Two things I cant over stress the importance of. Leaving NATO will not aid America in projecting power, it will be another milestone in the history of the decline of the American empire. Trump has gone from being a correcting force to just a tyrant imo. Ardent libertarians (think founding fathers intelligent god fearing gun toting red white and blue Americans) who voted for Trump seem to be saying the same. This is one great great shame if I’m right. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 10,512 Posted April 3 Author Report Share Posted April 3 (edited) Shades of North Korea in this clip. Many people see Trump as a messiah. But as prices rise, the western world is quickly turning against him and Israel. He has dropped a monumental clanger becoming involved in Israel's war. In effect, he became Netenyahu's gullible bitch. Imo, we will witness Trump's demise very quickly. His popularity is dropping like a stone in America, with his competence on the economy the main reason. If you are a politician and you hit people in their pockets, expect retribution. https://youtu.be/nYBSSZ8QaVo?si=7ct1O9jrdqAkuNjj Edited April 3 by jukel123 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 3,062 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 I see what your saying born,there scamming us,if the yanks have more than enough but there prices are still high,then the gov are ripping them off Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iworkwhippets 13,333 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 14 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Shades of North Korea in this clip. Many people see Trump as a messiah. But as prices rise, the western world is quickly turning against him and Israel. He has dropped a monumental clanger becoming involved in Israell's war. In effect, he became Netenyahu's gullible bitch. Imo, we will witness Trump's demise very quickly. His popularity is dropping like a stone in America, with his competence on the economy the main reason. https://youtu.be/nYBSSZ8QaVo?si=7ct1O9jrdqAkuNjj My fckin Werther's have gone up in price 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bendigo 2,534 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 25 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Shades of North Korea in this clip. Many people see Trump as a messiah. But as prices rise, the western world is quickly turning against him and Israel. He has dropped a monumental clanger becoming involved in Israel's war. In effect, he became Netenyahu's gullible bitch. Imo, we will witness Trump's demise very quickly. His popularity is dropping like a stone in America, with his competence on the economy the main reason. If you are a politician and you hit people in their pockets, expect retribution. https://youtu.be/nYBSSZ8QaVo?si=7ct1O9jrdqAkuNjj Very true in many ways.... unfortunately after the demise of trump we will return to the status quo of Clinton/Obama/globalist government and the decline and betrayal will continue. 5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 10,512 Posted April 3 Author Report Share Posted April 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bendigo said: Very true in many ways.... unfortunately after the demise of trump we will return to the status quo of Clinton/Obama/globalist government and the decline and betrayal will continue. Under any administration America always demand its pound of flesh and more. Edited April 3 by jukel123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 53,432 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 2 hours ago, Halfhound said: Just wondering have you seen the demographics of Dallas or even Texas for that matter? Good old boy f**k me your the pits No, I’ve never been….it was an analogy and probably not a very good one to the more exacting among us but I’m sure it got the point across Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 53,432 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, Born Hunter said: The first part about politicians I agree with but that is just part of being allies. It’s not a one way street there. The second point, where do I start. In fact wwii is a great start, the us wanted nothing to do with the war in Europe until they got f****d by the japs. Not the American politicians or the public. In fact that sounds an awful lot like the situation we’re in here! They became a supplier of equipment which on the face of it was ally like but let’s not forget charged us handsomely for it! None the less we were greatful. They continued this form even when we were as close as we have ever been during the thatcher era, denying direct military support to us when we were actually the ones being attacked in 82. When the shoe is on the other foot huh? The really disgraceful thing here is that in far more recent history of the alliance our forces paid as much if not more than the yanks did over years of conflict after they invoked article five. NATO has only ever served the Americans in direct military action, never another nation. And after all of that there was no decency up front this time, no planning or heads up. Just a narcissistic expectation that we were such f***ing lapdogs that we would rush in to please the great man himself. If our energy or other areas of national security are at risk then it’s a combination and history of bad decisions, most of which I’ve been banging on about for the last ten years, but in this particular instance it is trumps fault. He got played by Netanyahu and is now deflecting. How many Generals of the caliber of Mattis did he consult? Or is he now exclusively surrounded by hawks and sycophants? I really believe this has done significant damage to the US led Western hegemony, as well as the movement that was growing to correct decades of left wing insanity. Two things I cant over stress the importance of. Leaving NATO will not aid America in projecting power, it will be another milestone in the history of the decline of the American empire. Trump has gone from being a correcting force to just a tyrant imo. Ardent libertarians (think founding fathers intelligent god fearing gun toting red white and blue Americans) who voted for Trump seem to be saying the same. This is one great great shame if I’m right. Totally fair response mate…..but, and it’s just my humble opinion, I think we are in a time of “pick a side” and we better do a better job of doing that than we have done in Ukraine. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Halfhound 1,343 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 6 minutes ago, WILF said: No, I’ve never been….it was an analogy and probably not a very good one to the more exacting among us but I’m sure it got the point across As I changed out of my riding gear this morning into a wax jacket and put my cap on and got into the jeep to go and look at cattle I couldn’t help but wonder to myself WILF. Am I now one of the good old boys? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 53,432 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, Halfhound said: As I changed out of my riding gear this morning into a wax jacket and put my cap on and got into the jeep to go and look at cattle I couldn’t help but wonder to myself WILF. Am I now one of the good old boys? Only you can answer that mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Halfhound 1,343 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, WILF said: Only you can answer that mate f**k it I think I am. Think I’ll go in to the bank this afternoon see what farms and contractors are in a distressed state financially and make a few offers. Bank manager might buy me lunch. Could get used to this. Fingers crossed diesel keeps climbing put more pressure on the lessers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 53,432 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, jukel123 said: Shades of North Korea in this clip. Many people see Trump as a messiah. But as prices rise, the western world is quickly turning against him and Israel. He has dropped a monumental clanger becoming involved in Israel's war. In effect, he became Netenyahu's gullible bitch. Imo, we will witness Trump's demise very quickly. His popularity is dropping like a stone in America, with his competence on the economy the main reason. If you are a politician and you hit people in their pockets, expect retribution. https://youtu.be/nYBSSZ8QaVo?si=7ct1O9jrdqAkuNjj If people think this is pain, wait until someone turns up who really does want to do reality politically for their nation !…….theres not too many want to or are in a position to take the red pill ! I think it’s as simple as this, if the ideology broadly projected around MAGA politics doesn’t take western politics with it then everyone has got something coming down the line that they just don’t want. This train we are on is heading to a place nobody will want to go….. I’ve said many, many, many times I don’t think people realise just what serious shit we are in, in fact it’s obvious they don’t when you read some responses on here and on wider social media…..the time for nice sensible choices has been over for a long time, it’s so much worse than the politics and diplomacy we have all been used to can possibly get us out of. Saying “oh, let’s just wait 4 years and Trump will be gone and then we can all return to normal” shows a breathtaking ignorance of just how dire the western world’s situation is. Damn right we all better pick a side…..and we better choose wisely even if we don’t like it. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 53,432 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 12 minutes ago, Halfhound said: f**k it I think I am. Think I’ll go in to the bank this afternoon see what farms and contractors are in a distressed state financially and make a few offers. Bank manager might buy me lunch. Could get used to this. Fingers crossed diesel keeps climbing put more pressure on the lessers. You could do that, or you could try and bring down a system that puts them in that position ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 53,432 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, Halfhound said: f**k it I think I am. Think I’ll go in to the bank this afternoon see what farms and contractors are in a distressed state financially and make a few offers. Bank manager might buy me lunch. Could get used to this. Fingers crossed diesel keeps climbing put more pressure on the lessers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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