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I'm convinced that when a father or parents don't give in and give up you can make a decent human. When you hear that well we had to as all their friends do or I don't get a say or it's pointless fighting it. I just think well my kids are all, so I'll be the b*****d and they'll turn out alright. I honestly think half the population think the state is responsible for how there kids do in life , I'm in benefit street and I think there's a few that will do alright mostly from hard knocks , mine are up the allotment messing about atm, I guess we're fairly strict manners what knot but they will thank me maybe after they gone but I don't give up . Lucky the wife does the majority and I tend to parent from the sidelines as working a lot. There's still decent youngsters about but there's normally a mentor or role model in the mix

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It provoked quite the conversation in my house between me, my wife and my youngest daughter.

My youngest daughter holds the indoctrinated opinion that all men are arseholes and if they just stopped being brutes to women everything would be ok !!

So, of course, I said “no, that’s bollocks !”

My point was, these men and the people that follow them only exist because proper manhood has been so eroded…..we have a whole generation products of a cluster f**k where the family unit has been systematically attacked and being a man labeled toxic and evil in and of itself !

Proper blokes don’t crack on like that, proper blokes have enough self respect to respect the women in their life, their family, conduct themselves properly.

I mentioned I grew up around extremely violent men, men for who violence was a job…..but, anyone who knocked their old woman about or mistreated their family or behaved like an animal was still regarded as low, almost outcast in them circles…..simply by the fate of nature that you are a man don’t mean you’re automatically a f***ing dog !

Jordan Peterson sums it up very well in the various discussions he has on the subject. 
 

In the conversation we were all having I turned to my wife and said “You used to go out clubbing at 18, were you always afraid of being assaulted or when men saying rude things ?” 

So she said no…..and I said “That’s right, because in them days we just said f**k Off prick !” 
Like all this “me too” stuff and all that has been toxic and is in part responsible for these utter twats on YouTube……take Harrods and all the recent “revelations” about Al Faye’s praying on women…….

My wife used to work for Chanel and a few other high end brands and it was like common knowledge !!…..”You dont go and work in Harrods unless you want to be preyed on by the dirty Arab c**t !”……all the girls knew !

So you had a choice !…..my wife and a few other girls she knew got offered jobs in Harrods, they all said “No”…..and the ones that said “Yes” knew the score !

Like, this stuff is as old as the hills, the casting couch, the grubby old man employer, all that shit…..it seems we dealt with it much better before we emasculated men…..women just seem scared now of everything  and that has to be because all we have left are little boys saying and doing little boy stuff ! 
 

These stupid little c**ts are a natural product of 20 years propagating the myth that all men are toxic, evil, closet abusers !…..we need to change that narrative and fast.

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I've typed about three replies they all make me sound misogynistic male . I currently have too polite nice young lads that I slightly push to be more competitive and less naive , it's a tightrope lol they'll do alright and think me ancient until they have kids of their own

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4 hours ago, WILF said:

It provoked quite the conversation in my house between me, my wife and my youngest daughter.

My youngest daughter holds the indoctrinated opinion that all men are arseholes and if they just stopped being brutes to women everything would be ok !!

So, of course, I said “no, that’s bollocks !”

My point was, these men and the people that follow them only exist because proper manhood has been so eroded…..we have a whole generation products of a cluster f**k where the family unit has been systematically attacked and being a man labeled toxic and evil in and of itself !

Proper blokes don’t crack on like that, proper blokes have enough self respect to respect the women in their life, their family, conduct themselves properly.

I mentioned I grew up around extremely violent men, men for who violence was a job…..but, anyone who knocked their old woman about or mistreated their family or behaved like an animal was still regarded as low, almost outcast in them circles…..simply by the fate of nature that you are a man don’t mean you’re automatically a f***ing dog !

Jordan Peterson sums it up very well in the various discussions he has on the subject. 
 

In the conversation we were all having I turned to my wife and said “You used to go out clubbing at 18, were you always afraid of being assaulted or when men saying rude things ?” 

So she said no…..and I said “That’s right, because in them days we just said f**k Off prick !” 
Like all this “me too” stuff and all that has been toxic and is in part responsible for these utter twats on YouTube……take Harrods and all the recent “revelations” about Al Faye’s praying on women…….

My wife used to work for Chanel and a few other high end brands and it was like common knowledge !!…..”You dont go and work in Harrods unless you want to be preyed on by the dirty Arab c**t !”……all the girls knew !

So you had a choice !…..my wife and a few other girls she knew got offered jobs in Harrods, they all said “No”…..and the ones that said “Yes” knew the score !

Like, this stuff is as old as the hills, the casting couch, the grubby old man employer, all that shit…..it seems we dealt with it much better before we emasculated men…..women just seem scared now of everything  and that has to be because all we have left are little boys saying and doing little boy stuff ! 
 

These stupid little c**ts are a natural product of 20 years propagating the myth that all men are toxic, evil, closet abusers !…..we need to change that narrative and fast.

Some of them real rough cruel horrible c**ts its just in em there cruel.to.everyone kids the lot 

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You can get abused by both genders they come in all shape and sizes any colour any religion and any culture some are more good of masking their selves to blend in and blame others for their behaviour some it runs in families for years and it all takes time to get the truth answers if the victims are willing to speak out to be believed can be very hard if they have survived you look at Fred west and rose west how good they where in the area he a friendly builder she a mother see how wrong you can be picked up young females to lodge and look after the poor kids

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5 hours ago, WILF said:

It provoked quite the conversation in my house between me, my wife and my youngest daughter.

My youngest daughter holds the indoctrinated opinion that all men are arseholes and if they just stopped being brutes to women everything would be ok !!

So, of course, I said “no, that’s bollocks !”

My point was, these men and the people that follow them only exist because proper manhood has been so eroded…..we have a whole generation products of a cluster f**k where the family unit has been systematically attacked and being a man labeled toxic and evil in and of itself !

Proper blokes don’t crack on like that, proper blokes have enough self respect to respect the women in their life, their family, conduct themselves properly.

I mentioned I grew up around extremely violent men, men for who violence was a job…..but, anyone who knocked their old woman about or mistreated their family or behaved like an animal was still regarded as low, almost outcast in them circles…..simply by the fate of nature that you are a man don’t mean you’re automatically a f***ing dog !

Jordan Peterson sums it up very well in the various discussions he has on the subject. 
 

In the conversation we were all having I turned to my wife and said “You used to go out clubbing at 18, were you always afraid of being assaulted or when men saying rude things ?” 

So she said no…..and I said “That’s right, because in them days we just said f**k Off prick !” 
Like all this “me too” stuff and all that has been toxic and is in part responsible for these utter twats on YouTube……take Harrods and all the recent “revelations” about Al Faye’s praying on women…….

My wife used to work for Chanel and a few other high end brands and it was like common knowledge !!…..”You dont go and work in Harrods unless you want to be preyed on by the dirty Arab c**t !”……all the girls knew !

So you had a choice !…..my wife and a few other girls she knew got offered jobs in Harrods, they all said “No”…..and the ones that said “Yes” knew the score !

Like, this stuff is as old as the hills, the casting couch, the grubby old man employer, all that shit…..it seems we dealt with it much better before we emasculated men…..women just seem scared now of everything  and that has to be because all we have left are little boys saying and doing little boy stuff ! 
 

These stupid little c**ts are a natural product of 20 years propagating the myth that all men are toxic, evil, closet abusers !…..we need to change that narrative and fast.

He was powerful predator they were frightened of loosing the job and being believed by  others who could you turn to for support at that place they shut you up palm you with a small pay off if you lucky they were tricked with a good job and salary and said you say something you loose everything I know some wished they could pick up the courage to walk out and say something and think I loose my job because of this dirty b*****d I go claim benefits like the rest of them 

 

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32 minutes ago, mitre said:

He was powerful predator they were frightened of loosing the job and being believed by  others who could you turn to for support at that place they shut you up palm you with a small pay off if you lucky they were tricked with a good job and salary and said you say something you loose everything I know some wished they could pick up the courage to walk out and say something and think I loose my job because of this dirty b*****d I go claim benefits like the rest of them 

 

Let be really clear in case you didn’t quiet grasp it the first time mate:

EVERYONE IN THE INDUSTRY KNEW ! 
 

You don’t get put on the concession in Harrods’ for Chanel or Estee Lauder or any of them unless you have worked House Of Frazer or one of the other good quality department stores at the time, like you ain’t going in green ! 

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1 hour ago, mC HULL said:

Some of them real rough cruel horrible c**ts its just in em there cruel.to.everyone kids the lot 

But not proper men !…..and what we have seen is a vacuum of proper men created.

Theres always been abusers and there still is, emasculating a generation of young men didn’t fix it….they turned to gonks like those pricks in the programme so what we ended up with is worse. 

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18 minutes ago, WILF said:

But not proper men !…..and what we have seen is a vacuum of proper men created.

Theres always been abusers and there still is, emasculating a generation of young men didn’t fix it….they turned to gonks like those pricks in the programme so what we ended up with is worse. 

I dont watch or follow them.mate clueless I laugh off that little ed whenever I see him pop up beaked out his head 

But there little spice boys aint they? 

None are masculine lol

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8 hours ago, WataWalloper said:

Only bit that annoyed me was they made out (rightly so) that none them clown had an ole man in there life, I know lots lads who grew up without a da an they never turned into little freaks like them attention seeking little fcukers haha 

Fair point definitely. I have just watched it. I actually get where some of it comes from, the fashion that is demonising of white heterosexual men in certain sections of society is unsettling to some. I felt the tikkytokky guy came across as immature and a bit insecure, but guess kids won’t see that. Social media platforms have the ability to amplify opinion out of proportion to reality if no-one puts out any counter argument. I’d treat these freak shows no different to the tranny pedlars, or the race baiters and either ignore or ridicule them.

My boy is 16, and I think very similar to how I was with my dad at that age. One minute he’s my mate, the next I’m an old dickhead who knows nothing. Thing is at 16 I felt all grown up, and my main influence would have been the mates I had round about me. Looking at my son now I realise I was just a daft laddie. Only later in life did I learn to appreciate my old man, his values and the way he dealt with life, and the values and life skills he’d given to me. I’ve no idea if my boy watches all this manosphere shite, but hopefully I’ll have given him a decent enough grounding to build from. I do think boys need good role models, and can find them even without a father in the house. Some will pick the wrong ones and come a cropper in life, but then that’s been happening since Adam was a boy.

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Am I right in saying these lads are bank rolled by youngsters paying to see what they post? God be with the days you gave the young lads a tenner on a Friday evening for pocket money and you knew the few evils there were going to spend it on. I haven’t watched the programme but I’ll try during the week. I’ve said here before a few times if you really want to suss out a bloke for whatever reason just see how he treats his wife and family it’s all that really matters in the end isn’t it?

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