oxo 577 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 Remember California Jack going on about pitxpats years ago, called them pitterpats FFS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,897 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 On 05/03/2026 at 10:27, mC HULL said: A puppy farmer with 100 dogs thinks there's terrier blood in bull.and terrier crosses Thats a silly comment.......while i dont really know what Garner is babbling on about here there can be no doubt as to the importance of Tom Garners contribution to the Apbt breed over the last 40 odd years,the man has put some great dogs out into the Gamedog world and without people like him who have dedicated their lives to dogs the breed would never have produced many of the amazing athletes we see before us. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 18,322 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 26 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Thats a silly comment.......while i dont really know what Garner is babbling on about here there can be no doubt as to the importance of Tom Garners contribution to the Apbt breed over the last 40 odd years,the man has put some great dogs out into the Gamedog world and without people like him who have dedicated their lives to dogs the breed would never have produced many of the amazing athletes we see before us. I dont know him mate but its common knowledge there's terrier in em aye maybe not the pats we have today There Irish Scottish British dogs really aint they just different lines You've got somewhere to house 100 bitches youll knock a few champions out [BANNED TEXT] Has he had a big influence whats his line known for gnash ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,897 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 12 hours ago, mC HULL said: I dont know him mate but its common knowledge there's terrier in em aye maybe not the pats we have today There Irish Scottish British dogs really aint they just different lines You've got somewhere to house 100 bitches youll knock a few champions out [BANNED TEXT] Has he had a big influence whats his line known for gnash ? Plenty of 100 dog yards across the world have never produced a Ch in top level competition....not entirely sure how you can class lines of dogs that have never stepped foot in Britain in over a hundred years as British dogs but still Regardless whether a person dislikes his pedigrees or dislikes the man himself there can be no disputing dogs like Ch Chinaman ,Frisco,Lee Ling,El Negro,Santos,Hickory,Spike,Bobby Peru more recently in Uk and Europe are some of the best Eli/Carver crosses of modern times....again,the man has dedicated his life to the breed and to call him a puppy peddler is just silly and naive. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 18,322 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 9 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Plenty of 100 dog yards across the world have never produced a Ch in top level competition....not entirely sure how you can class lines of dogs that have never stepped foot in Britain in over a hundred years as British dogs but still Regardless whether a person dislikes his pedigrees or dislikes the man himself there can be no disputing dogs like Ch Chinaman ,Frisco,Lee Ling,El Negro,Santos,Hickory,Spike,Bobby Peru more recently in Uk and Europe are some of the best Eli/Carver crosses of modern times....again,the man has dedicated his life to the breed and to call him a puppy peddler is just silly and naive. You've got a yard for.100.dogs and can't turn out champions your hopeless mate there not British dogs but British blood aren't they He didn't work eli and he isn't carver? From the bits I see he has all sorts a different blood types he hasnt a line or type like carver ? The definition of a peddler is someone with 20 different lines of the same dogs just throwing puppy's out Banging out a load a puppy's and matching dogs doesn't make you a great dogman for me but he may be like ive said I dont really know much about him but I dont think k patterdale are in apbt unless hes lined one with a pat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,897 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, mC HULL said: You've got a yard for.100.dogs and can't turn out champions your hopeless mate there not British dogs but British blood aren't they He didn't work eli and he isn't carver? From the bits I see he has all sorts a different blood types he hasnt a line or type like carver ? The definition of a peddler is someone with 20 different lines of the same dogs just throwing puppy's out Banging out a load a puppy's and matching dogs doesn't make you a great dogman for me but he may be like ive said I dont really know much about him but I dont think k patterdale are in apbt unless hes lined one with a pat Out of curiosity how many 100 dog yards have you been on ?.....lets say even 20 dog yards ? Have you any idea just how much dedication and diligence it takes to get a dog in match shape ?.....very few yards with 100 dogs will be matching them regular as it takes more time and effort to get 1 dog ready for 1 match than it takes to feed and water 100 dogs. What on earth are you talking about he didnt work Eli and wasnt Carver..........what so nobody has ever had Carver dogs apart from Carver....you're talking in riddles,your version of a dogman clearly differs to mine......you are just being silly and so am i for entertaining you 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 18,322 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 33 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Out of curiosity how many 100 dog yards have you been on ?.....lets say even 20 dog yards ? Have you any idea just how much dedication and diligence it takes to get a dog in match shape ?.....very few yards with 100 dogs will be matching them regular as it takes more time and effort to get 1 dog ready for 1 match than it takes to feed and water 100 dogs. What on earth are you talking about he didnt work Eli and wasnt Carver..........what so nobody has ever had Carver dogs apart from Carver....you're talking in riddles,your version of a dogman clearly differs to mine......you are just being silly and so am i for entertaining you That's kind of what I'm saying no one with that many dogs is hard at it working them ive had. A little look i can't find many pics of any his dogs looking tip.top What I mean is carver had a type.of dog his own line from bits i read again im not up.on it Garner seems to have all different lines and sells pups I wouldnt know if what he breeds is worth breeding if he has good bitches and puts out winners fair play but but that's not the same as winning with your own line is its Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 18,322 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 40 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Out of curiosity how many 100 dog yards have you been on ?.....lets say even 20 dog yards ? Have you any idea just how much dedication and diligence it takes to get a dog in match shape ?.....very few yards with 100 dogs will be matching them regular as it takes more time and effort to get 1 dog ready for 1 match than it takes to feed and water 100 dogs. What on earth are you talking about he didnt work Eli and wasnt Carver..........what so nobody has ever had Carver dogs apart from Carver....you're talking in riddles,your version of a dogman clearly differs to mine......you are just being silly and so am i for entertaining you Never seen 100 dog yards mate 10 15 dog yards about most ive seen Me old lady condition a dog better than any off them Gardner dogs mate never mind me 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,897 Posted Saturday at 17:12 Report Share Posted Saturday at 17:12 1 hour ago, mC HULL said: That's kind of what I'm saying no one with that many dogs is hard at it working them ive had. A little look i can't find many pics of any his dogs looking tip.top What I mean is carver had a type.of dog his own line from bits i read again im not up.on it Garner seems to have all different lines and sells pups I wouldnt know if what he breeds is worth breeding if he has good bitches and puts out winners fair play but but that's not the same as winning with your own line is its Thats because he doesnt match dogs any more......but if you win a match tomorrow with a Maurice Carver line dog that you bought off Tom Garner you still have a Carver bred dog Chinaman and Frisco have been the base of Tom Garners bloodline for 40 odd years....and both Chinaman and Frisco were Eli/Carver dogs......it is what it is ! At what point do dogs become your own line ?.....again,you are just being silly mate you might as well say that near every Apbt in existence is an Earl Tudor dog seeing as probably 75% of the modern breed came through Tudors Dibo. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackmag 6,826 Posted Saturday at 17:14 Report Share Posted Saturday at 17:14 1 hour ago, mC HULL said: Never seen 100 dog yards mate 10 15 dog yards about most ive seen Me old lady condition a dog better than any off them Gardner dogs mate never mind me Mc them pitbull lads were years ahead of there time regarding conditioning and diets etc and getting dogs match ready took some time getting there 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 18,322 Posted Saturday at 17:20 Report Share Posted Saturday at 17:20 6 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Thats because he doesnt match dogs any more......but if you win a match tomorrow with a Maurice Carver line dog that you bought off Tom Garner you still have a Carver bred dog Chinaman and Frisco have been the base of Tom Garners bloodline for 40 odd years....and both Chinaman and Frisco were Eli/Carver dogs......it is what it is ! At what point do dogs become your own line ?.....again,you are just being silly mate you might as well say that near every Apbt in existence is an Earl Tudor dog seeing as probably 75% of the modern breed came through Tudors Dibo. There used to be some good posts on here about them aint been any for a while Id say there same family of dogs different lines Id say its your line when you fix some traits you like what about you ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 8,608 Posted Saturday at 18:02 Report Share Posted Saturday at 18:02 44 minutes ago, Blackmag said: Mc them pitbull lads were years ahead of there time regarding conditioning and diets etc and getting dogs match ready took some time getting there No no no ! Just loads of simpiltons with no idea of nutrition,a winner doesn't run on vitaliin and a walk round the block Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 18,322 Posted Saturday at 18:42 Report Share Posted Saturday at 18:42 38 minutes ago, waltjnr said: No no no ! Just loads of simpiltons with no idea of nutrition,a winner doesn't run on vitaliin and a walk round the block Let's hear it mate diet excersice how long before a match etc distances ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackmag 6,826 Posted Saturday at 18:46 Report Share Posted Saturday at 18:46 36 minutes ago, waltjnr said: No no no ! Just loads of simpiltons with no idea of nutrition,a winner doesn't run on vitaliin and a walk round the block How many lads were conditioning and feeding there runner's like the Pitbull lads were say 80s 90s at that time walt not many I know there 2 totally different types of fitness 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 8,608 Posted Saturday at 19:11 Report Share Posted Saturday at 19:11 I get were your icoming from ,MC Hulls dogs , different league, nutrition, fitness,ect , people are thick, wanna be gangster with a shote bred staffie ,dog breeds being ruined 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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