Rape Gang Enquiry

[WILF 52,247]

2 minutes ago, Borr said:

Let's be real, he could get on with the unofficial enquiry, he's got public support and funding , I signed his petition request last night. Or he could weaponise it against reform , I think reform needs to get in power first however they do that, the previous three/four governments have failed to hold anyone to account how will an unelected party?

Is “weaponising” and just telling the truth the same thing mate ? 
I think the likeable thing about Lowe is that he don’t have to “weaponise” anything, he just tells it how it is and lets others embarrass themselves.

We may want change, but I think destroying the Tory and Labour Party in perception is the best we are going to get…..change won’t happen with all the same people doing the job and getting upto the same old bullshit 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,417]

8 hours ago, Borr said:

Let's be real, he could get on with the unofficial enquiry, he's got public support and funding , I signed his petition request last night. Or he could weaponise it against reform , I think reform needs to get in power first however they do that, the previous three/four governments have failed to hold anyone to account how will an unelected party?

 

8 hours ago, WILF said:

Is “weaponising” and just telling the truth the same thing mate ? 
I think the likeable thing about Lowe is that he don’t have to “weaponise” anything, he just tells it how it is and lets others embarrass themselves.

We may want change, but I think destroying the Tory and Labour Party in perception is the best we are going to get…..change won’t happen with all the same people doing the job and getting upto the same old bullshit 

Thing is your both right. 

I've been watching PMQ's the last couple of weeks and its glaringly obvious how little is actually discussed or achieved other than "you were/are rubbish and we are better than you", its all just soundbites and is a deflection from what a shit show we are currently living in. In all fairness Lowe and Habib as likable as they are are doing exactly the same as the others to a degree and its looking more and more like sour grapes detracting from the good work they do do.  

Its very simple really, stop the mud slinging, we dont need telling how crap they all are and concentrate on what they were elected for, representing Britain and the British people.

Katie Hopkins has nailed it again, I think its time for the people of this country to turn off the news and the algorithms we are being bombarded with and take some time out from the madness.          

[WILF 52,247]

3 hours ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

 

Thing is your both right. 

I've been watching PMQ's the last couple of weeks and its glaringly obvious how little is actually discussed or achieved other than "you were/are rubbish and we are better than you", its all just soundbites and is a deflection from what a shit show we are currently living in. In all fairness Lowe and Habib as likable as they are are doing exactly the same as the others to a degree and its looking more and more like sour grapes detracting from the good work they do do.  

Its very simple really, stop the mud slinging, we dont need telling how crap they all are and concentrate on what they were elected for, representing Britain and the British people.

Katie Hopkins has nailed it again, I think its time for the people of this country to turn off the news and the algorithms we are being bombarded with and take some time out from the madness.          

Whenever I look at reporting, social media content or whatever I always, always stop and consider it, always ask myself “Am I missing something?, have I taken time to think it through ?” 
 

I like to think I do.

Nobody wants an end to the catastrophe that is the U.K. more than me, nobody wants a proper, peacefully elected real change of culture in government more than me and I really hoped Reform was it.

But, I have to call it how I see it.

Theres truths that need to be spoken, we all know it, we have all wished just somebody, anybody, would just say them out loud.

We are all sick of this dance around the hard truth politicians always do and I’m sure like me, many of us have to come to the conclusion that it’s out malice rather than stupidity.

Rupert Lowe is just doing that, he is saying what we all know.

Jim Ratcliffe did it yesterday.

They don’t care, they don’t need the money.

So, I think it totally begs the question why are the party we are all pinning our hopes of change on not saying it ?……because not saying it isn’t change is it ?

It’s more of the same avoiding and dancing round the things we all know are the real problems and the real solutions….and many of us have already concluded that, like the others, is out of malice……it’s fundamentally dishonest and so it’s our duty to ask ourselves “why?” 
 

I get we are all looking to grasp a bit of wood before we drown but let’s understand that is all we are doing (imho)…..what I see is a lot of backsliding and a lot of the same faces (and races) that got us in this shit in the first place…..that just can not be unrelated ? 
Nobody and I mean nobody wants to talk about the Rape Gang enquiry…..why don’t the people we think will save us want to talk about it ?

Answers on a postcard ! 

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[gnasher16 31,767]

Its actually shocked me how many of what i always thought were reasonably clued up people cant see through this whole Reform hustle.....its probably a bit nasty to call them gullible but whatever the word is thats in between " so desperate they'll do anything " and " plain gullible ".....then thats what id book them,and its such a shame.

[TRUEBRIT66 2,417]

13 minutes ago, WILF said:

Whenever I look at reporting, social media content or whatever I always, always stop and consider it, always ask myself “Am I missing something?, have I taken time to think it through ?” 
 

I like to think I do.

Nobody wants an end to the catastrophe that is the U.K. more than me, nobody wants a proper, peacefully elected real change of culture in government more than me and I really hoped Reform was it.

But, I have to call it how I see it.

Theres truths that need to be spoken, we all know it, we have all wished just somebody, anybody, would just say them out loud.

We are all sick of this dance around the hard truth politicians always do and I’m sure like me, many of us have to come to the conclusion that it’s out malice rather than stupidity.

Rupert Lowe is just doing that, he is saying what we all know.

Jim Ratcliffe did it yesterday.

They don’t care, they don’t need the money.

So, I think it totally begs the question why are the party we are all pinning our hopes of change on not saying it ?……because not saying it isn’t change is it ?

It’s more of the same avoiding and dancing round the things we all know are the real problems and the real solutions….and many of us have already concluded that, like the others, is out of malice……it’s fundamentally dishonest and so it’s our duty to ask ourselves “why?” 
 

I get we are all looking to grasp a bit of wood before we drown but let’s understand that is all we are doing (imho)…..what I see is a lot of backsliding and a lot of the same faces (and races) that got us in this shit in the first place…..that just can not be unrelated ? 
Nobody and I mean nobody wants to talk about the Rape Gang enquiry…..why don’t the people we think will save us want to talk about it ?

Answers on a postcard ! 

I hear you mate and your right again but its about the backlash.

Look how the media have come out against Jim Ratcliffe already and as you say he has nothing to gain and can say it as it is but IMHO Reform are walking on egg shells to trying to appeal to those voters that may give them their vote but potentially find JR's and in some cases Rupert Lowes comments extreme, is that tactical ? 

Unfortunately there are still a big majority of people who listen to MSM and how they spin it and there are reports the interview was taken out of context and JR was actually praising Starmer earlier in the interview. 

In private I have what some may call pretty far right views but I sure as hell wouldnt express them in certain situations even though as I'm getting older Im less inclined to "tow the line" does that make me a coward or sensible ?  

 

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10 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Its actually shocked me how many of what i always thought were reasonably clued up people cant see through this whole Reform hustle.....its probably a bit nasty to call them gullible but whatever the word is thats in between " so desperate they'll do anything " and " plain gullible ".....then thats what id book them,and its such a shame.

Hopeful ?

Which ever one it is only time will tell!      

[gnasher16 31,767]

2 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

 

In private I have what some may call pretty far right views but I sure as hell wouldnt express them in certain situations even though as I'm getting older Im less inclined to "tow the line" does that make me a coward or sensible ?  

 

And there is the basis to the problem.

A,describing normal everyday concerns as " far right "

B,being afraid to voice their normal everyday concerns.

Tragic,it really is.

[gnasher16 31,767]

1 minute ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Hopeful ?

Which ever one it is only time will tell!      

TIme we dont have im afraid mate.......and why/where that hope actually comes from beyond as i say " desperation " beats me.

[TRUEBRIT66 2,417]

Just now, gnasher16 said:

And there is the basis to the problem.

A,describing normal everyday concerns as " far right "

B,being afraid to voice their normal everyday concerns.

Tragic,it really is.

Job and one or 2 other things could be revoked in a instant so a tragic controlling fact is what it really is. 

[WILF 52,247]

7 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

I hear you mate and your right again but its about the backlash.

Look how the media have come out against Jim Ratcliffe already and as you say he has nothing to gain and can say it as it is but IMHO Reform are walking on egg shells to trying to appeal to those voters that may give them their vote but potentially find JR's and in some cases Rupert Lowes comments extreme, is that tactical ? 

Unfortunately there are still a big majority of people who listen to MSM and how they spin it and there are reports the interview was taken out of context and JR was actually praising Starmer earlier in the interview. 

In private I have what some may call pretty far right views but I sure as hell wouldnt express them in certain situations even though as I'm getting older Im less inclined to "tow the line" does that make me a coward or sensible ?  

 

Then I have to ask mate, how is any of that any different to what we have been doing ? 
Because from what I can see, it isn’t. 
Not digging you out chief, just saying what I see. 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,417]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

Then I have to ask mate, how is any of that any different to what we have been doing ? 
Because from what I can see, it isn’t. 
Not digging you out chief, just saying what I see. 

No I enjoy the debate WILF.

Your right Its probably not but being a realist and a question thats been asked many a time what other option do we have when the country is so divided ?

Way I see it we have 3 options at the moment, the same, a vote to change away from the uni party (probably the same reason the left are voting for Green) and hope it is a change or civil unrest and the breakdown of the UK.

All pretty shit options really but the 2nd is the most appealing.

[gnasher16 31,767]

8 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Job and one or 2 other things could be revoked in a instant so a tragic controlling fact is what it really is. 

Sorry mate i dont believe anybody can be legitimately sacked from any job for voicing an opinion in the correct way.

Theres nothing covert or underhand going on,you just need to be able to string a sentence together.

[Blackmag 6,702]

I see him jim Radcliffe as said sorry for his words why not just stick by your beliefs have some self respect because everyone can see it and he had a lot of support for telling the truth 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,417]

Just now, gnasher16 said:

Sorry mate i dont believe anybody can be legitimately sacked from any job for voicing an opinion in the correct way.

Theres nothing covert or underhand going on,you just need to be able to string a sentence together.

String a sentence together as in stay within the perceived social limits and not say it as it is then ?

Just look at some of the teachers that have been sacked recently for their views you have one thats been in hiding for years because he said something that offended the Islamic faith.

People are reporting and getting the staff sacked where my wife works for talking amongst themselves and using words like "half caste" or disagreeing with their Christian values on gay pride month. Couple of seasons back blokes were being evicted from Ashton Gate and banned for shouting out "Gypo" at one of the opposing players because he had a pony tail. Take a look on some of the shooting forums where members admit they wont talk openly about certain subjects as the FAO's keep tabs on it. 

I could go on and on, its hard work out there now mate.  

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27 minutes ago, Blackmag said:

I see him jim Radcliffe as said sorry for his words why not just stick by your beliefs have some self respect because everyone can see it and he had a lot of support for telling the truth 

"One mans truth is another mans lie" and that unfortunately is where we are in this country totally divided.