Greenland .

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7 hours ago, Halfhound said:

What madness is that len? A lot of smoke and mirrors surround Sinn Fein and a lot of crap is spouted by their enemy’s. Don’t vote Sinn Fein theyll vote to ban hunting being the latest one which of course didn’t happen. You’ll have the people who won’t be convinced but people should see with there eyes and go by what’s happened in front of them not what the media tells them will happen. 

But they are pro migrant invasion, up here they are a party of division and are not to be trusted,  do as i say not as i do types

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6 hours ago, Lenmcharristar said:

But they are pro migrant invasion, up here they are a party of division and are not to be trusted,  do as i say not as i do types

Saying they are pro immigration is like saying they are anti hunting just another line constantly peddled by their enemy’s. I get it a certain amount of people are afraid of what Sinn Fein represents because it represents change. It represents Irish people coming together for the greater good and maybe righting 100 years of wrongs. I could be way off to say this but if in 10/15 years time we are living in a united ireland where Irish people both north and south can finally be proud of there history and proud of great men who rose from nothing to try and protect there communities and fight for who they are maybe it will inspire our neighbours in other countries who have been lashed into submission and encourage them to take pride in who they are regardless of what the government or media tells them. Give it a chance Len because from what I can see of the UK now you’ve nothing to lose. 

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5 hours ago, Halfhound said:

Saying they are pro immigration is like saying they are anti hunting just another line constantly peddled by their enemy’s. I get it a certain amount of people are afraid of what Sinn Fein represents because it represents change. It represents Irish people coming together for the greater good and maybe righting 100 years of wrongs. I could be way off to say this but if in 10/15 years time we are living in a united ireland where Irish people both north and south can finally be proud of there history and proud of great men who rose from nothing to try and protect there communities and fight for who they are maybe it will inspire our neighbours in other countries who have been lashed into submission and encourage them to take pride in who they are regardless of what the government or media tells them. Give it a chance Len because from what I can see of the UK now you’ve nothing to lose. 

I completely understand nationalism but from what I see, the shinners are about as nationalist as Reform…..maybe even less so because they are profoundly pro Europe.

I also will never trust organisations born out of Marxist ideology but for the purposes of discussion I’ll set that aside.

I heard Patrick Kielty say a really good thing when asked about a united Ireland (he was being interviewed by Tommy Tiernan), he said “What are people in the Republic prepared to sacrifice ?”

He went on “It’s not republicans you have to convince it’s a good idea, it’s the million and a half people who are quite happy and proud of who they are ……..you can’t expect to bring those people in and not have to move some furniture” which I thought was a great way of putting it.

However, the best idea I have ever heard about a united ireland was something neither Republicans or Loyalists are saying, it was a former high profile woman politician who’s name escapes me, she said:

”It shouldn’t be one absorbs the other so that one side wins and one side looses, we should instead do away with everything and imagine a brand new country with new institutions and new politics that takes all the best of things and gets rid of the things that have not worked, a place where everyone is a citizen of a new place that they have shaped”

To me, that sounded brilliant in its simplicity but also its outside the box thinking.

I don’t see any party on the British isles including Sinn Fien and Reform advocating for something as bold and fresh as that, they are all status quo people  telling everyone a story and you don’t need to dig too far in to see who these people really are.

History proves Marxists and socialists dressed up as conservatives always want to f**k over indigenous people.

I don’t think the Shinners are anymore pro their own people than any of the other charlatans spread across Europe mate. 
Just my humble opinion of course. 

 

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1 hour ago, WILF said:

I completely understand nationalism but from what I see, the shinners are about as nationalist as Reform…..maybe even less so because they are profoundly pro Europe.

I also will never trust organisations born out of Marxist ideology but for the purposes of discussion I’ll set that aside.

I heard Patrick Kielty say a really good thing when asked about a united Ireland (he was being interviewed by Tommy Tiernan), he said “What are people in the Republic prepared to sacrifice ?”

He went on “It’s not republicans you have to convince it’s a good idea, it’s the million and a half people who are quite happy and proud of who they are ……..you can’t expect to bring those people in and not have to move some furniture” which I thought was a great way of putting it.

However, the best idea I have ever heard about a united ireland was something neither Republicans or Loyalists are saying, it was a former high profile woman politician who’s name escapes me, she said:

”It shouldn’t be one absorbs the other so that one side wins and one side looses, we should instead do away with everything and imagine a brand new country with new institutions and new politics that takes all the best of things and gets rid of the things that have not worked, a place where everyone is a citizen of a new place that they have shaped”

To me, that sounded brilliant in its simplicity but also its outside the box thinking.

I don’t see any party on the British isles including Sinn Fien and Reform advocating for something as bold and fresh as that, they are all status quo people  telling everyone a story and you don’t need to dig too far in to see who these people really are.

History proves Marxists and socialists dressed up as conservatives always want to f**k over indigenous people.

I don’t think the Shinners are anymore pro their own people than any of the other charlatans spread across Europe mate. 
Just my humble opinion of course. 

 

Come on now WILF if I remember correctly not so long ago you were saying all this pandering to other people and sacrificing things in your own country was a load of bollocks. The unionists are anti the GAA, anti Irish language even last week they’ve come out as anti Irish music saying that holding a fleadh ceoil is divisive. Instead of taking their heads out of the sand and seeing what things could be like they are doing everything in their power to reject any sort of progress for anyone to cling on to this imaginary world they live in. I laughed during the week when someone said they must think gangs of children in the street playing Irish music could be the musical wing of the IRA. 

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1 hour ago, Halfhound said:

Come on now WILF if I remember correctly not so long ago you were saying all this pandering to other people and sacrificing things in your own country was a load of bollocks. The unionists are anti the GAA, anti Irish language even last week they’ve come out as anti Irish music saying that holding a fleadh ceoil is divisive. Instead of taking their heads out of the sand and seeing what things could be like they are doing everything in their power to reject any sort of progress for anyone to cling on to this imaginary world they live in. I laughed during the week when someone said they must think gangs of children in the street playing Irish music could be the musical wing of the IRA. 

Nope, I hear you loud and clear….i was simply repeating something that made a lot of sense given Irelands unique situation.

See, someone like my wife would see herself as Northern Irish and British…..so the solution you talk about entails saying to people like that “accept we take you over or leave”…..it’s like Essex saying to Kent, you ain’t British…..that’s the unique complication as I see it.

So, in Sinn Fiens idea is that the loyalist have to loose…..do you seriously  think that’s ever going to fly mate ? Genuine question squire 

 

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1 hour ago, WILF said:

Nope, I hear you loud and clear….i was simply repeating something that made a lot of sense given Irelands unique situation.

See, someone like my wife would see herself as Northern Irish and British…..so the solution you talk about entails saying to people like that “accept we take you over or leave”…..it’s like Essex saying to Kent, you ain’t British…..that’s the unique complication as I see it.

So, in Sinn Fiens idea is that the loyalist have to loose…..do you seriously  think that’s ever going to fly mate ? Genuine question squire 

 

The idea they have to loose is in their own heads WILF and to be honest it’s going to fly wether they like it or not IMO. It’s inevitable and I really think it’s coming faster than anyone thinks. This is about more than flag waving and big opinions on a forum to people like me WILF. This is about people dying so that people no different than me could have a vote in their own country. The only difference between those people and me was a hundred miles and yet they were abandoned and left tied to a stake while they were kicked and the people who came and fought to put that right should be looked upon as hero’s and people to aspire to not the people history has written them as but all that will be put right in the future I’m sure. Could it be a case that the loyalist community have had it too good for too long? Protected and pandered too at every turn? The UK can’t protect itself anymore how it is going to protect a million odd people who most of the population don’t even know exist?

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59 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

The idea they have to loose is in their own heads WILF and to be honest it’s going to fly wether they like it or not IMO. It’s inevitable and I really think it’s coming faster than anyone thinks. This is about more than flag waving and big opinions on a forum to people like me WILF. This is about people dying so that people no different than me could have a vote in their own country. The only difference between those people and me was a hundred miles and yet they were abandoned and left tied to a stake while they were kicked and the people who came and fought to put that right should be looked upon as hero’s and people to aspire to not the people history has written them as but all that will be put right in the future I’m sure. Could it be a case that the loyalist community have had it too good for too long? Protected and pandered too at every turn? The UK can’t protect itself anymore how it is going to protect a million odd people who most of the population don’t even know exist?

Fair mate, and a good enjoyable conversation so thanks for that.

I think your line “whether they like it or not” is a bit short sighted (no offence intended mate)…..it absolutely implies that you don’t see these white Irish men and women as the same as you….how can that work ? I just don’t see it.

Now, completely imaginary scenario, let’s say it does happen “whether they like it or not”, what about the ones who don’t like it ?…..would they be well within their rights to wage a terrorist campaign ? 
That’s a conundrum isn’t it ? 
 

That’s the reason what that woman said made so much sense to me, a complete clean slate with a nation of the same indigenous people…..the shinners don’t have a leg to stand on if say they were in charge and won the day only to be greeted with a terrorist campaign, what’s good for the goose is good for gander so to speak.

 

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16 minutes ago, WILF said:

Fair mate, and a good enjoyable conversation so thanks for that.

I think your line “whether they like it or not” is a bit short sighted (no offence intended mate)…..it absolutely implies that you don’t see these white Irish men and women as the same as you….how can that work ? I just don’t see it.

Now, completely imaginary scenario, let’s say it does happen “whether they like it or not”, what about the ones who don’t like it ?…..would they be well within their rights to wage a terrorist campaign ? 
That’s a conundrum isn’t it ? 
 

That’s the reason what that woman said made so much sense to me, a complete clean slate with a nation of the same indigenous people…..the shinners don’t have a leg to stand on if say they were in charge and won the day only to be greeted with a terrorist campaign, what’s good for the goose is good for gander so to speak.

 

I’d say they’d be told to cop themselves on by the whole world tbh. What would they wage a terror campaign for? Who would support them on any kind of scale? They’d have a right to vote, equal opportunities for housing and jobs, the right to speak their language and practice their religion and play there games? Do you think the constant slapping down of the Irish language in the north is stupid WILF? The constant refusal to support Gaelic games? The unionists are afraid they’ll be ruled by people who are exactly like them but the opposite way around. It won’t be the case. Anyway back to Greenland

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The sooner the people who live on the island of Ireland, north or south, acknowledge that the present threat to our way of life is much greater than the traditional 'them uns'  'yous ens' finger pointing the better.  They need to open their eyes and really look at how the invasion is affecting the future of our nation, north or south.

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1 hour ago, Halfhound said:

I’d say they’d be told to cop themselves on by the whole world tbh. What would they wage a terror campaign for? Who would support them on any kind of scale? They’d have a right to vote, equal opportunities for housing and jobs, the right to speak their language and practice their religion and play there games? Do you think the constant slapping down of the Irish language in the north is stupid WILF? The constant refusal to support Gaelic games? The unionists are afraid they’ll be ruled by people who are exactly like them but the opposite way around. It won’t be the case. Anyway back to Greenland

On language, I totally support an indigenous language for an indigenous people mate….i think it bonds you to your past in ways that are so important, it absolutely should be kept alive at all costs. 
 

But here is the thing, that along with the GAA are easy wins for loyalists if you get my drift, it’s something that can be defined in peoples view as “the enemy”…..and, again all the time people are made to feel like they have to loose, that will never change. 
Just my opinion.

Greenland isn’t nearly as complicated or historic as Ireland and Britain mate, this is way more fun 

 

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5 minutes ago, littlefish said:

The sooner the people who live on the island of Ireland, north or south, acknowledge that the present threat to our way of life is much greater than the traditional 'them uns'  'yous ens' finger pointing the better.  They need to open their eyes and really look at how the invasion is affecting the future of our nation, north or south.

Bingo ! 100%

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58 minutes ago, littlefish said:

The sooner the people who live on the island of Ireland, north or south, acknowledge that the present threat to our way of life is much greater than the traditional 'them uns'  'yous ens' finger pointing the better.  They need to open their eyes and really look at how the invasion is affecting the future of our nation, north or south.

Crazy ain't it....same ethnic group of people...same Christian God...yet they still fight ....

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2 minutes ago, TOMO said:

Crazy ain't it....same ethnic group of people...same Christian God...yet they still fight ....

There we have it. You refer to the Ulster Protestant as ‘they’. Do you not see them as your fellow countryman? Just joking bud poking the fire 

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17 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

There we have it. You refer to the Ulster Protestant as ‘they’. Do you not see them as your fellow countryman? Just joking bud poking the fire 

We are all the same people anyway if we want to be completely correct about it, the invention of the nation state just added a dimension.

You mentioned “our history”, well that is correct, these lands are in fact all indigenous peoples of the British isles history…..always have been. 
 

It’s kings and queens and popes and bishops that f****d the job ! lol