Gary Neville.

[mushroom 14,205]

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

I'm not bothered what Neville does. Flag huggers are as phoney as flag rippers imo.

To hell with both types as far as I'm concerned.

The level of intolerance shown by both left and right is getting crazy.  Brits used to be famed for civilised debate and tolerance.

 

 

Fuuck off ya lefty cnut

 

[Welsh_red 5,056]

1 hour ago, mushroom said:

I could be the best boxer but does that negate that I'm a complete prick? 

 

 

Wouldn't negate your personality,  but your boxing knowledge would be worth listening to 

Im not really a fan of that andrew tate , some stuff he says makes sense and some seems like his ego exploding. But by all accounts he was a fairly decent kickboxing many years ago. 

If I seen a video on YouTube titled " Andrew tate talks about women in the household " i wouldnt click on it . If i seen a YouTube video titled " Andrew tate talks about the art of kickboxing" i wpuld probably give it a watch 

The moment the overlap show starts talking politics im done , but if its still about the football with the same people talking i will always give it a listen 

[WILF 51,066]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Flag huggers are as phoney as flag rippers imo.

That’s a great quote, totally agree. 

[NEWKID 29,094]

2 hours ago, jukel123 said:

I'm not bothered what Neville does. Flag huggers are as phoney as flag rippers imo.

To hell with both types . If either side want to have a tug of war over a flag, fine. I've got better things to do.

We all understand flying the  union jack means different things.

For some its a protest about immigration. For others it's  love and pride for one's country and its former miitary exploits. It's Spitfires, Vera Lynn and the white cliffs of Dover.

In Scotland, for some, it's a celebration of the union. For others it's  an ' in yer face' provocation as many do not accept the union and others have long memories of English imperialism and the famine  in Ireland.

Personally it means nothing to me. Just as religion and the Royal family mean nothing .  Shock! Horror!  Man wants to get on with his life!

Pretty soon we' ll have to produce ID , a bible and a little flag to show we are  loyal, Christian,  patriotic chaps. And don't forget that poppy for Remembrance Sunday! 

It's balls.

The level of intolerance shown by both left and right, nationalists and republicans, flaggers and non flaggers is getting crazy. And the pot is being stirred all the time by professional rabble rousers who laugh all the way to the bank.

We used to live in a plural society where you could believe what you damn well wanted.

 We used to be famed for civilised debate and tolerance. But we now have to look over our shoulders, to see if the frothing_ at -the -mouth moral majority are on our tail.

 

 

Some good points there mate..

Both sides are guilty of "virtue signalling" (as its now called)... 

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2 hours ago, mushroom said:

I could be the best boxer but does that negate that I'm a complete prick? 

 

 

No mate, I'd still watch you box because I like boxing, I'd just think you're a complete prick who boxed lol

[Bendigo 1,246]

9 hours ago, jukel123 said:

I'm not bothered what Neville does. Flag huggers are as phoney as flag rippers imo.

To hell with both types . If either side want to have a tug of war over a flag, fine. I've got better things to do.

We all understand flying the  union jack means different things.

For some its a protest about immigration. For others it's  love and pride for one's country and its former miitary exploits. It's Spitfires, Vera Lynn and the white cliffs of Dover.

In Scotland, for some, it's a celebration of the union. For others it's  an ' in yer face' provocation as many do not accept the union and others have long memories of English imperialism and the famine  in Ireland.

Personally it means nothing to me. Just as religion and the Royal family mean nothing .  Shock! Horror!  Man wants to get on with his life!

Pretty soon we' ll have to produce ID , a bible and a little flag to show we are  loyal, Christian,  patriotic chaps. And don't forget that poppy for Remembrance Sunday! 

It's balls.

The level of intolerance shown by both left and right, nationalists and republicans, flaggers and non flaggers is getting crazy. And the pot is being stirred all the time by professional rabble rousers who laugh all the way to the bank.

We used to live in a plural society where you could believe what you damn well wanted.

 We used to be famed for civilised debate and tolerance. But we now have to look over our shoulders, to see if the frothing_ at -the -mouth moral majority are on our tail.

 

 

I disagree.

I think the putting up of flags is brilliant. There's very little we as a people can actually do, so when there is a little act of rebellion it helps people first start thinking and secondly start growing. 

My son and his mates have been out putting flags up. People are stopping cars to shout encouragement, giving them money, sounding horns. So there group is growing, other young lads are joining em. It's now becoming the done thing for them not to visit foreign barbers and to ridicule kids at school that do. It's great seeing them grow. 

And then they are seeing a tiny minority ripping flags down and seeing what type of lefty weak scum would do that. They are debating with lefty teachers. 

Personally I do see it as generally a left vs right, a good vs evil, reality vs make-believe. That's what society will eventually come to and anything that wakes people from their slumber it good.

It's almost an absolute fact that anyone who would pull a British or English flag down wouldn't touch a pride flag. 

I went on a domestic abuse awareness course the other day.... and we had to watch a video of a case study. We were actually given a 'trigger' warning that the video features a white heterosexual middle class couple and if anyone found that triggering we could go and sit in the time out room. Honestly....I swear that's what they said to us. They were aware of what the video showed and if we were upset by it we could leave and someone would come to support us. There was more warnings about em being white and them showing no examples of gay couples than warnings about upsetting abuse. That's evil, that's a rot in a society that will grow and destroy it. Fck them and fck Gary Neville. 

We have no intolerance, we just want a normal society that's not signing its own death warrant 

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[jukel123 9,709]

1 hour ago, Bendigo said:

I disagree.

I think the putting up of flags is brilliant. There's very little we as a people can actually do, so when there is a little act of rebellion it helps people first start thinking and secondly start growing. 

My son and his mates have been out putting flags up. People are stopping cars to shout encouragement, giving them money, sounding horns. So there group is growing, other young lads are joining em. It's now becoming the done thing for them not to visit foreign barbers and to ridicule kids at school that do. It's great seeing them grow. 

And then they are seeing a tiny minority ripping flags down and seeing what type of lefty weak scum would do that. They are debating with lefty teachers. 

Personally I do see it as generally a left vs right, a good vs evil, reality vs make-believe. That's what society will eventually come to and anything that wakes people from their slumber it good.

It's almost an ab2solute fact that anyone who would pull a British or English flag down wouldn't touch a pride flag. 

I went on a domestic abuse awareness course the other day.... and we had to watch a video of a case study. We were actually given a 'trigger' warning that the video features a white heterosexual middle class couple and if anyone found that triggering we could go and sit in the time out room. Honestly....I swear that's what they said to us. They were aware of what the video showed and if we were upset by it we could leave and someone would come to support us. There was more warnings about em being white and them showing no examples of gay couples than warnings about upsetting abuse. That's evil, that's a rot in a society that will grow and destroy it. Fck them and fck Gary Neville. 

We have no intolerance, we just want a normal society that's not signing its own death warrant 

You could have given  me some warning about that heterosexual middle class couple. I am now completely traumatised. I've thrown up my f****n breakfast and am gulping valium as I write.

f**k you, you uncaring nationalist nazi.

My sister used to have a business providing training for companies. She did life coaching as well.

She made an absolute fortune out of it and was always amazed at how gullible companies and individuals were. She used to confess her own life was absolute chaos,  but that  people readily  swallowed her life coaching guff. She just  regurgitated mantras from life coaching books.

There's big money out there for charlatans of all types.

All part of crazy modern life.

 

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[jukel123 9,709]

Afterthought.  The most enthusiastic flag fliers are the poor, white, working class. Stats show that they are the very people that the country has absolutely pulverised . They are last in housing provision, education, health and well paid secure employment.

 What a tragic irony that they are the ones flying the flag.

Edited 5 hours ago by jukel123

[WILF 51,066]

2 hours ago, Bendigo said:

I disagree.

I think the putting up of flags is brilliant. There's very little we as a people can actually do, so when there is a little act of rebellion it helps people first start thinking and secondly start growing. 

My son and his mates have been out putting flags up. People are stopping cars to shout encouragement, giving them money, sounding horns. So there group is growing, other young lads are joining em. It's now becoming the done thing for them not to visit foreign barbers and to ridicule kids at school that do. It's great seeing them grow. 

And then they are seeing a tiny minority ripping flags down and seeing what type of lefty weak scum would do that. They are debating with lefty teachers. 

Personally I do see it as generally a left vs right, a good vs evil, reality vs make-believe. That's what society will eventually come to and anything that wakes people from their slumber it good.

It's almost an absolute fact that anyone who would pull a British or English flag down wouldn't touch a pride flag. 

I went on a domestic abuse awareness course the other day.... and we had to watch a video of a case study. We were actually given a 'trigger' warning that the video features a white heterosexual middle class couple and if anyone found that triggering we could go and sit in the time out room. Honestly....I swear that's what they said to us. They were aware of what the video showed and if we were upset by it we could leave and someone would come to support us. There was more warnings about em being white and them showing no examples of gay couples than warnings about upsetting abuse. That's evil, that's a rot in a society that will grow and destroy it. Fck them and fck Gary Neville. 

We have no intolerance, we just want a normal society that's not signing its own death warrant 

Good post, I think the word “some” would have fitted into Jukels post nicely…..but I still agree with his analysis……lots of these people are the “too late to the party” types I suspect.

Fact is, if they was all as rich as the Blair era they wouldn’t give a f**k ! …..as proved by the Blair era and the murder he was mandated to get away with. 

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[WILF 51,066]

10 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Afterthought.  The most enthusiastic flag fliers are the poor, white, working class. Stats show that they are the very people that the country has absolutely pulverised . 

 What a tragic irony that they are the ones enthusiastically  celebrating their country by flying the flag.

I think that’s a different thing personally mate, I think it’s good that people are finally starting to realise the “nation” is them and their blood…..and the flag is a symbol of that……if indeed that is how they are thinking about it ?

I think with yours and Bendingo post both things can be true at once.

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[chartpolski 28,459]

I fly the England flag outside of the Man Cave to show I’m in residence, much like the king flys the Royal Standard above Buckingham Palace when he is in residence

 

Cheers.

[WILF 51,066]

45 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

You could have given  me some warning about that heterosexual middle class couple. I am now completely traumatised. I've thrown up my f****n breakfast and am gulping valium as I write.

f**k you, you uncaring nationalist nazi.

My sister used to have a business providing training for companies. She did life coaching as well.

She made an absolute fortune out of it and was always amazed at how gullible companies and individuals were. She used to confess her own life was absolute chaos,  but that  people readily  swallowed her life coaching guff. She just  regurgitated mantras from life coaching books.

There's big money out there for charlatans of all types.

All part of crazy modern life.

 

And there is the thing, there is an industry built around this stuff.

In the case of Bendingos post I think there is one of those occasions where you can confront this stuff with a simple “Oh leave off, you sound ridiculous” to the person who is actually idiot enough to be spewing theses “warnings”

See, it’s always been my opinion that not everything has to be a massive show and a big deal, it’s as simple as just telling people some polite reality instead of sitting there and allowing it to be spoken…….if some bloke came upto you in the street and said “I’ve got an atom bomb in this packet of rich tea biscuits” you’d be like “f**k off mate, get some help !”

Well, no different any other time your hear lunacy, just call it out….dont mean they won’t continue, you haven’t stopped it that day or that year…..but you made these pricks sit just a little more uncomfortably in their chair while they did it and that’s better than nothing. 
 

I have to say, it’s always served me badly ! lol…..but I felt better about it and if it meant a cost to me then f**k it, I didn’t care because you have to be true to yourself. 

You don’t have to swear and rant, just a simple “that’s utter insane nonsense” is all that is required !

 

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[NEWKID 29,094]

2 hours ago, Bendigo said:

I disagree.

I think the putting up of flags is brilliant. There's very little we as a people can actually do, so when there is a little act of rebellion it helps people first start thinking and secondly start growing. 

My son and his mates have been out putting flags up. People are stopping cars to shout encouragement, giving them money, sounding horns. So there group is growing, other young lads are joining em. It's now becoming the done thing for them not to visit foreign barbers and to ridicule kids at school that do. It's great seeing them grow. 

And then they are seeing a tiny minority ripping flags down and seeing what type of lefty weak scum would do that. They are debating with lefty teachers. 

Personally I do see it as generally a left vs right, a good vs evil, reality vs make-believe. That's what society will eventually come to and anything that wakes people from their slumber it good.

It's almost an absolute fact that anyone who would pull a British or English flag down wouldn't touch a pride flag. 

I went on a domestic abuse awareness course the other day.... and we had to watch a video of a case study. We were actually given a 'trigger' warning that the video features a white heterosexual middle class couple and if anyone found that triggering we could go and sit in the time out room. Honestly....I swear that's what they said to us. They were aware of what the video showed and if we were upset by it we could leave and someone would come to support us. There was more warnings about em being white and them showing no examples of gay couples than warnings about upsetting abuse. That's evil, that's a rot in a society that will grow and destroy it. Fck them and fck Gary Neville. 

We have no intolerance, we just want a normal society that's not signing its own death warrant 

Good post mate.

completely agree with the "pulling down of British flags and the not touching of pride flags" the irony is sad to be honest. The amount of Ukrainian flags that went up and now Palestinian flags, when you start seeing that in little Devon villages where they are untouched by the real issues of all this unrest, it makes you wonder how easily people are brain washed...

Contrary to my previous post, I quite like seeing the English and British flags flying, but it has become a bit of a bandwagon to jump on rather than true patriotism imo.. I remember being in Ireland a lot as a youngster and every night at last orders in the pubs the anthem would be played and everyone would stand and sing, there were flags everywhere, there was true patriotism... I've said before about how I found Japan to be beautifully patriotic, by how they acted, the pride in their towns/cities, the way they interacted with each other and tourists.... As above I like seeing the flags but is it true patriotism or there for social media views and to signal some false solidarity? 

[jukel123 9,709]

11 minutes ago, WILF said:

I think that’s a different thing personally mate, I think it’s good that people are finally starting to realise the “nation” is them and their blood…..and the flag is a symbol of that……if indeed that is how they are thinking about it ?

I think with yours and Bendingo post both things can be true at once.

Do you remember the the poster YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU and Kennedy's " ask not what your country can do for you, ask what I can do for my country "?

Well the white working class have done all that. Fought the wars and worked till they dropped.  But where's the rewards?

I won't  bore you with the stats and my famous fact checking, but the British white working class are lagging behind every single indicator of a decent life. And,  incredibly, inequality is increasing year on year.

And please don't blame the victims.

[WILF 51,066]

6 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Do you remember the the poster YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU and Kennedy's " ask not what your country can do for you, ask what I can do for my country "?

Well the white working class have done all that. Fought the wars and worked till they dropped.  But where's the rewards?

I won't  bore you with the stats and my famous fact checking, but the British white working class are lagging behind every single indicator of a decent life. And,  incredibly, inequality is increasing year on year.

And please don't blame the victims.

Ahh, but remember the people are not blameless in all this mate…..they voted for this shambles, time and time and time again and if you read comments on say Reforms or Labours or Tory’s social media you will see many, many people are no better informed, are taking no more of a critical look and still talking the same old bollocks that they ever did……

Show them a shiny thing, reduce the mortgage rate a percentage point and they will happily close their door in the evening and not give a flying f**k that it looks like Islamabad outside or that their grand kids will be under the total control of the state…..they won’t even give it a second thought !

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