Jota

[Bosun11 537]

54 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

My maths aint up to much but i make that a max of 1963 as a 13 year old......so fair do's i didnt book you as old as that hence i said 70's/80's......to my knowledge it was all the very basic " we won the cup " celebratory or supportive type of caper back then.....most of the goading and nasty type stuff started in the 70's im pretty sure it was Leeds who changed the words of that Flowers of Manchester song in the mid 70's you might know better than me.

Im not saying i agree with it all by the way,personally i find it a little bit childish, i dont do devious i actually prefer the more direct " your gonna get your f****n heads kicked in " type of communication for nastiness  .....probably because we never usually had much to celebrate !......but i do accept football grounds were and are often not particularly pleasant places for delicate/fragile types to be.....but should they have to be, not in my opinion no.

Tragedy chants have been around since, at least, the 60's and probably before. They were at their peak in the early 70's and I remember then as a kid 7 or 8 years old, with my mates, taunting Man U fans, on their way to either Goodison or Anfield (we were never fussy!) with a quick rendition of "who's that lying on the runway.." before legging it, hoping there'd be murder after the game, which there usually was.

Fighting chants were always the best though, the classic you've just quoted and the " Your going home in a St Johns ambulance" etc. 

Halcyon days...

[WILF 49,463]

Funny, but I always thought it was part of the British character to not be minges about everything.

The brutal nature of our working class humour was a mainstay of who we are.

I always liked the old adage of “If you didn’t laugh you’d f***ing cry” and I think that’s not a bad way to be.

Humour, however savage is subjective and it’s an important (imho) tool in taking away some of poison and horror of terrible situations……there are no clear lines of demarcation, I always just preferred the old fashioned method of you know if you’ve gone too far because someone gives you a dig.

 

[littlefish 596]

I found the tv live streaming rather OTT.  I have absolutely no interest in football.

 

 

 

 

n football.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,732]

7 hours ago, WILF said:

Funny, but I always thought it was part of the British character to not be minges about everything.

The brutal nature of our working class humour was a mainstay of who we are.

I always liked the old adage of “If you didn’t laugh you’d f***ing cry” and I think that’s not a bad way to be.

Humour, however savage is subjective and it’s an important (imho) tool in taking away some of poison and horror of terrible situations……there are no clear lines of demarcation, I always just preferred the old fashioned method of you know if you’ve gone too far because someone gives you a dig.

 

Living on a diet of tomato soup 

[FLATTOP 5,019]

7 hours ago, WILF said:

Funny, but I always thought it was part of the British character to not be minges about everything.

The brutal nature of our working class humour was a mainstay of who we are.

I always liked the old adage of “If you didn’t laugh you’d f***ing cry” and I think that’s not a bad way to be.

Humour, however savage is subjective and it’s an important (imho) tool in taking away some of poison and horror of terrible situations……there are no clear lines of demarcation, I always just preferred the old fashioned method of you know if you’ve gone too far because someone gives you a dig.

 

Funny enough I was reading this thread yesterday and it triggered how myself and emergency services dealt with horrible situations and it was pure black humour, the most notorious bunch I ever worked with was a group of highly skilled men called the ERU emergency response unit they respond in a white fire engine and they have the sort of kit where if they have to pick up a train they can, they mainly work on the underground but on the C2c line the underground runs parallel up to Upminster from London so a few occasions our paths crossed I couldn’t repeat any of the stuff as it stays out on the track but the black humour is a well acknowledged way of dealing with horror.