WILF 44,403 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 4 hours ago, Dutch said: I just look at Man Utd, Tottenham, Chelsea etc the last few years and Pellegrini a few seasons back I do think Steidten will have a bit of pull in attracting a manager Man Utd are/were the biggest club in the world mate and most of their fans didn’t realise they had 20 plus years of absolute fantasy football, how do you replicate fantasy ?…….you can’t and I think a lot of the fans have realised you can’t. Ten Haag is doing amazing with what was a wreck of club and dressing room imho. Postecoglu and the yids are playing amazing, seat of your pants football…..I love Postecoglus approach, he just don’t give a f**k by the look….he is going to play the way he wants and attack you and let the cards fall where they will after a great game of football, I love all that shit. Chelsea ?…..who gives a toss, they have been a rich man’s play thing so long that I don’t think anyone is surprised or even cares that they have fallen into the hands of an American who is a comedy roadshow…..he is the Max Hardcore of football club owners ! Lol I remember when Pellegrini was appointed, I actually said “f**k sake” out loud…..an appointment so boring and without any thought or ambition……it was just getting “a name”……absolutely no thought process behind it at all. If you want to win things then go and win them, don’t “try and not loose” your way to glory…..it’s gutless shit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,679 Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 Not only will the mighty Hammers get absolutely battered by the Scouser at home tomorrow ive even been talked into going to the Arsenal/Yids game on Sunday i must be a glutton for punishment. Whos your top 4 now im going City....Liverpool....Arsenal....Villa...........................................Hammers to finish 10th. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,679 Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 On 24/04/2024 at 15:32, WILF said: Decent question mate. My answer is this, I’ve never been to the new place and I’m sure I’d probably hate it with my “bloke who just wants to go football” head on…..that’s being totally honest. That said, did it need to happen ?……absolutely yes, there’s no other way for clubs except to move forward and I 100% stand behind that……personally I don’t think fan or not a fan comes into that decision, it’s just a reality imho It was an opportunity I don’t think any club would have turned their nose up at. I think we have only half done the job as I don’t think we have backed it up properly but that is another conversation really. So as a Fan, no, not a bit of me. As a realist, yes, absolutely. I don’t dislike our club at all, this is going to sound a bit cringe but there’s still plenty of lads like you and me and I like those people…..I like our dry sense of gallows humour as fans and I like the football heritage of the club and the area. My last game before I moved was the night cup game against Everton when Adrian scored the winning penalty…..Me, my lad when he was little and my pals….what a night to finish on, how could I dislike that club ? I intensely dislike Moyes type of football and I laugh at some of the claptrap we come out with as a club but I don’t think that could be called disliking my club could it ? We ain’t entitled screamers like City or Liverpool fans, we can have a chuckle at getting done in 5-2 at Palace away but we like our football and generally lads from round there know what a bit of proper football looks like. So I’d say, you have the wrong impression mate, I don’t dislike our club at all, I just dislike shite football. Fair answer,appreciated The reasoning i hear is all very similar......in my more sensible moments when im not slagging off " lads like you who now seem to dislike the very thing you's wanted in the first place "........i can see that it pretty much boils down to a basic " im not that keen on football in general at the highest level anymore " ......and maybe thats the harsh truth that you's who wanted to roll the dice a little bit were actually happier than you thought you were at the time....that subconsciously you took big to mean better and better to mean success whereas in the cold light of day all we've really done is bring ourselves into the modern world of elite level sport in a way we couldnt have done on the football field.....but we're still not going to win trophies hence this last few years with Moyse has been so special for us. The amount of lads ive asked this question who now say things like " well i quite liked it in the championship " 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch 220 Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 55 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Not only will the mighty Hammers get absolutely battered by the Scouser at home tomorrow ive even been talked into going to the Arsenal/Yids game on Sunday i must be a glutton for punishment. Whos your top 4 now im going City....Liverpool....Arsenal....Villa...........................................Hammers to finish 10th. I’m dreading tomorrow mate. I can’t see us winning again this season with what’s going on off the field. City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch 220 Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 On 24/04/2024 at 21:14, WILF said: Man Utd are/were the biggest club in the world mate and most of their fans didn’t realise they had 20 plus years of absolute fantasy football, how do you replicate fantasy ?…….you can’t and I think a lot of the fans have realised you can’t. Ten Haag is doing amazing with what was a wreck of club and dressing room imho. Postecoglu and the yids are playing amazing, seat of your pants football…..I love Postecoglus approach, he just don’t give a f**k by the look….he is going to play the way he wants and attack you and let the cards fall where they will after a great game of football, I love all that shit. Chelsea ?…..who gives a toss, they have been a rich man’s play thing so long that I don’t think anyone is surprised or even cares that they have fallen into the hands of an American who is a comedy roadshow…..he is the Max Hardcore of football club owners ! Lol I remember when Pellegrini was appointed, I actually said “f**k sake” out loud…..an appointment so boring and without any thought or ambition……it was just getting “a name”……absolutely no thought process behind it at all. If you want to win things then go and win them, don’t “try and not loose” your way to glory…..it’s gutless shit. I don’t think Ten Haag is doing an amazing job. Spurs must’ve had 9 or 10 managers in 10 years since Redknapp, they’re playing decent stuff now, albeit they’re still moaning he has them playing too high. What I’m trying to say is, we should be careful what we wish for in getting rid of Moyes. A fancy European manager and cash injection doesn’t always work. In my opinion, there’s 8 teams that should finish ahead of us (City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle, Utd, Spurs, Villa). We’re in the 9th to 14th mini league and apart from Brighton, possibly Fulham, the football the others play isn’t brilliant. I’ve also seen some great games over there this season. We’ve only a handful of decent players (Paqueta, Kudus, Bowen, Alvarez), so I’m not sure what people expect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,403 Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 31 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Fair answer,appreciated The reasoning i hear is all very similar......in my more sensible moments when im not slagging off " lads like you who now seem to dislike the very thing you's wanted in the first place "........i can see that it pretty much boils down to a basic " im not that keen on football in general at the highest level anymore " ......and maybe thats the harsh truth that you's who wanted to roll the dice a little bit were actually happier than you thought you were at the time....that subconsciously you took big to mean better and better to mean success whereas in the cold light of day all we've really done is bring ourselves into the modern world of elite level sport in a way we couldnt have done on the football field.....but we're still not going to win trophies hence this last few years with Moyse has been so special for us. The amount of lads ive asked this question who now say things like " well i quite liked it in the championship " Yeah, fair shout, as you know I like my non league and I’d be as happy watching Romford v Hashtag or such like, but I still love watching top level football. Im sure you will disagree but I understood our club wasn’t about us years ago mate when me and the boy went to (can’t even remember what the game was) and was sat in the Bobby More with two dopey French c**ts in front f***ing about with chips and cans of drink and f**k knows what else who I had to tell to sit down and shut up……I knew right then on that day it was going down the lines of “American event day out” and I also knew that the reality is that is what needed to happen to survive at the upper levels of the game. So, I’d be as happy watching the Hammers non league but I understand that just isn’t reality…..the only course is the path top level football is on wether fans like it or not. Reality is, we have not mattered for years at top level football, we just didn’t want to believe it……you said it yourself over the kneeling down thing, if you don’t go some other c**t will go. I like my club, but not because they are in the premier league, I like them for a thousand other reasons that really have f**k all to do with football…..but when it comes to top level football it’s al about selling the candy floss on the day and part of that involves being the biggest, best, most attractive thing at the funfair. That don’t mean you have to play shit football, maybe it does ?……I just don’t think you have to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,403 Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, Dutch said: I don’t think Ten Haag is doing an amazing job. Spurs must’ve had 9 or 10 managers in 10 years since Redknapp, they’re playing decent stuff now, albeit they’re still moaning he has them playing too high. What I’m trying to say is, we should be careful what we wish for in getting rid of Moyes. A fancy European manager and cash injection doesn’t always work. In my opinion, there’s 8 teams that should finish ahead of us (City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle, Utd, Spurs, Villa). We’re in the 9th to 14th mini league and apart from Brighton, possibly Fulham, the football the others play isn’t brilliant. I’ve also seen some great games over there this season. We’ve only a handful of decent players (Paqueta, Kudus, Bowen, Alvarez), so I’m not sure what people expect. As you have probably read mate, I’ve had this conversation with Gnasher time and time again. My opinion is, Moyes football is f***ing diabolical and I don’t think it’s a wish too far to just want to see a decent game of football. Nothing more complicated than that. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch 220 Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 (edited) 4 minutes ago, WILF said: As you have probably read mate, I’ve had this conversation with Gnasher time and time again. My opinion is, Moyes football is f***ing diabolical and I don’t think it’s a wish too far to just want to see a decent game of football. Nothing more complicated than that. I just think it’s really hard to get a balance of decent football and results with mid table squads as the type of player (technical / workhorse) is different, which is why only Brighton in that mini league stand out. I do agree that when it’s bad over there it’s bad and I’ll probably regret going tomorrow as well get spanked Edited April 26 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,403 Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 32 minutes ago, Dutch said: I just think it’s really hard to get a balance of decent football and results with mid table squads as the type of player (technical / workhorse) is different, which is why only Brighton in that mini league stand out. I do agree that when it’s bad over there it’s bad and I’ll probably regret going tomorrow as well get spanked I don’t think it is mate, I study enough about football and players and coaching from academy to top tier to know that there isn’t just one way to play and obtain the type of results we have been getting……since the introduction of the UEFA coaching pathway the whole system is based around pro active football. Some of these young coaches have never known anything else, the pathway is basically 4-3-3 high tempo aggressive football. Now of course when they get “on the shop floor” they will have to adjust and come up with their own ideas but make no mistake, if you hold a UEFA badge (and they all do) 4-3-3 is where you were schooled. For an attack minded person like me, it’s perfect and everyone wants to see that in reality…… Has the football fan really been reduced to “let’s just stay alive because it’s the sensible thing to do” ?…….football has never changed, it’s: Can I play forward first and foremost If I can’t, what’s the next shortest pass that will allow us to play forward When I loose the ball, can I win it back as quick as possible and the repeat step 1 That’s it in a nutshell mate….. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,403 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 Football needs more Jamie Vardys……. Non league to premier league, premier league winner, relegated, stayed with the team, promoted back to the premier league….at 37 ! Fantastic ! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch 220 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 5 hours ago, WILF said: Football needs more Jamie Vardys……. Non league to premier league, premier league winner, relegated, stayed with the team, promoted back to the premier league….at 37 ! Fantastic ! Yeah great story and he stayed loyal. Re non-league, my brother in-law plays for Hornchurch, they just won the Isthmian and was good to see what it meant to the boys, staff, supporters etc down there. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,679 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 On 26/04/2024 at 14:30, WILF said: Yeah, fair shout, as you know I like my non league and I’d be as happy watching Romford v Hashtag or such like, but I still love watching top level football. Im sure you will disagree but I understood our club wasn’t about us years ago mate when me and the boy went to (can’t even remember what the game was) and was sat in the Bobby More with two dopey French c**ts in front f***ing about with chips and cans of drink and f**k knows what else who I had to tell to sit down and shut up……I knew right then on that day it was going down the lines of “American event day out” and I also knew that the reality is that is what needed to happen to survive at the upper levels of the game. So, I’d be as happy watching the Hammers non league but I understand that just isn’t reality…..the only course is the path top level football is on wether fans like it or not. On 26/04/2024 at 14:30, WILF said: Yeah, fair shout, as you know I like my non league and I’d be as happy watching Romford v Hashtag or such like, but I still love watching top level football. Im sure you will disagree but I understood our club wasn’t about us years ago mate when me and the boy went to (can’t even remember what the game was) and was sat in the Bobby More with two dopey French c**ts in front f***ing about with chips and cans of drink and f**k knows what else who I had to tell to sit down and shut up……I knew right then on that day it was going down the lines of “American event day out” and I also knew that the reality is that is what needed to happen to survive at the upper levels of the game. So, I’d be as happy watching the Hammers non league but I understand that just isn’t reality…..the only course is the path top level football is on wether fans like it or not. Reality is, we have not mattered for years at top level football, we just didn’t want to believe it……you said it yourself over the kneeling down thing, if you don’t go some other c**t will go. I like my club, but not because they are in the premier league, I like them for a thousand other reasons that really have f**k all to do with football…..but when it comes to top level football it’s al about selling the candy floss on the day and part of that involves being the biggest, best, most attractive thing at the funfair. That don’t mean you have to play shit football, maybe it does ?……I just don’t think you have to. You're speaking with a split tongue mate you're saying " id be happy watching the Hammers non league " and " " i like them for a thousand other reasons "...............yet you wanted the club to change into a big club. Ive said from day 1 as fans we should of fought the move off far more than what we did,unfortunately we was so divided in opinions it wasnt possible......the fact most of the people ive spoken to now regret the move speaks volumes for me. I just think you're in denial mate 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,679 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 (edited) On 26/04/2024 at 14:36, Dutch said: I just think it’s really hard to get a balance of decent football and results with mid table squads as the type of player (technical / workhorse) is different, which is why only Brighton in that mini league stand out. I do agree that when it’s bad over there it’s bad and I’ll probably regret going tomorrow as well get spanked Its all backtracking mate they move the goalposts away from what they originally said things like " We want to be a big club " and " We want European football " and " We want to attract the big name players " and " We want to compete with the big boys ".............to now saying " well actually we just want to see some nice football " You go to games you must hear it...its still the most disputed,contentious issue the clubs ever encountered.....i thought it would all go away when we won a trophy. Edited April 30 by gnasher16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 20,510 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 I would give my bank managers left bollock for Newcastle to win a trophy……any bloody trophy, I’m starting to look back on the Inter Toto Trophy with fond nostalgia! LOL ! Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,403 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 (edited) 2 hours ago, gnasher16 said: You're speaking with a split tongue mate you're saying " id be happy watching the Hammers non league " and " " i like them for a thousand other reasons "...............yet you wanted the club to change into a big club. Ive said from day 1 as fans we should of fought the move off far more than what we did,unfortunately we was so divided in opinions it wasnt possible......the fact most of the people ive spoken to now regret the move speaks volumes for me. I just think you're in denial mate I’ve never ever said the word big club, I have always said progress…..there is a fundamental difference. All football clubs from Sunday morning to champions league want to progress, they may not, but they all try. I understand how watchers of football rather than players of football may not get that but that’s how it works. Theres no player playing or club in existence that don’t want to win the league and get bigger and better……your football watcher just wants to watch, but you club and player wants to progress. Bigger, better facilities help a club progress. Winning a trophy for the first time in years is success that season, like a strikers last goal, it’s great when it happens but you can’t dine out on it forever. Being in a semi final two seasons on the trot is progress. Leaving an ageing squad that is inconsistent with no clear path forward and obviously no plan is using up a resource, it’s not progressing a squad or club. There’s not just one way to play and you don’t have to play shit football to Progress. I don’t know why that’s difficult to understand but it seems it is ! Lol Edited April 30 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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