WILF 50,249 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 I can’t believe the CA didn’t write in an exemption for the lone hunter, quietly working his dogs and leaving nothing except a bent blade of grass as a clue that he was ever there…….did they not take into consideration lads doing it “properly” and not making it hot for everyone ? Lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gypsydog94 4,705 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 How many running dog owners have actually been prosecuted for running on permission? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gypsydog94 4,705 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 53 minutes ago, tatsblisters said: That's the truth and it was confirmed to me recently after watching a YouTube channel of a lad from around here an ex miner who was bang into his lurchers and has killed his fair share of gear who has turned into an anti and it's obvious his rants are down to his extreme left wing views. Does he talk about his past involvement? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 45 minutes ago, Gypsydog94 said: How many running dog owners have actually been prosecuted for running on permission? f**k all I expect. But how many running dogs are ran on permission? The CA represent the interests of rural stakeholders. Before the ban coursing was a minority stakeholder but legitimate nonetheless. The ban removed its legitimacy and left only those who never were welcomed anyway. Now coursing is simply a threat to the major stakeholders that are left ie farming and estates. There’s clearly no loyalty to some romantic ideal of a sportsman. Their loyalty is to rural stakeholders and if you find yourself not one anymore then you can’t expect a single f**k from any of them. Its f***ing shit, but the blame lies as much with coursing for not maintaining some legitimacy through legal loopholes as it does with everyone else for letting them go. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,963 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: f**k all I expect. But how many running dogs are ran on permission? The CA represent the interests of rural stakeholders. Before the ban coursing was a minority stakeholder but legitimate nonetheless. The ban removed its legitimacy and left only those who never were welcomed anyway. Now coursing is simply a threat to the major stakeholders that are left ie farming and estates. There’s clearly no loyalty to some romantic ideal of a sportsman. Their loyalty is to rural stakeholders and if you find yourself not one anymore then you can’t expect a single f**k from any of them. Its f***ing shit, but the blame lies as much with coursing for not maintaining some legitimacy through legal loopholes as it does with everyone else for letting them go. What legal loopholes ? The only one I could see was using two dogs to flush a hare to a bird of prey. This was very ambiguous, with Prescott being prosecuted for it, and Sagar seemingly doing it with impunity. Make no mistake, the coursing fraternity tried every angle to circumvent the law, using any perceived loophole, birds of prey, guns, muzzling the hounds, but failed at every attempt. Cheers. Edited December 14, 2021 by chartpolski Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,938 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 the interwed was our worsed enemy along with mobile phones , and the bellends posting pictures for the world to see .common sence is in very short supply!!! 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, chartpolski said: What legal loopholes ? The only one I could see was using two dogs to flush a hare to a bird of prey. This was very ambiguous, with Prescott being prosecuted for it, and Sagar seemingly doing it with impunity. Make no mistake, the coursing fraternity tried every angle to circumvent the law, using any perceived loophole, but failed at every attempt. Cheers. I accept that big coursing meets couldn’t go on. But coursing could, did and does continue on smaller scale via legal loopholes the same way everything else has. But the vast majority do not operate this way and have made themselves a threat to the interests of those in positions of power in rural politics. Im not passing judgement. It is what it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,963 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: I accept that big coursing meets couldn’t go on. But coursing could, did and does continue on smaller scale via legal loopholes the same way everything else has. But the vast majority do not operate this way and have made themselves a threat to the interests of those in positions of power in rural politics. Im not passing judgement. It is what it is. Yes, there are still small, eight or sixteen dog stakes going on clandestinely, but they are well aware they are doing it illegally, not using any perceived loopholes. The dam to my pup was runner up in one of these stakes last year and I didn't find out about until afterwards, fair pissed me off realising I wasn't part of the in crowd ! ! Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatsblisters 10,962 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Gypsydog94 said: Does he talk about his past involvement? Not really mate I was gobsmacked when watching one of his recent clips when he mentioned some working class lads who had been done for coursing and rightly so he said as it's illegal but on another one of his earlier clips he seems to support coursing by working class folk but he condones illegal migrants coming over in dinghies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, chartpolski said: Yes, there are still small, eight or sixteen dog stakes going on clandestinely, but they are well aware they are doing it illegally, not using any perceived loopholes. The dam to my pup was runner up in one of these stakes last year and I didn't find out about until afterwards, fair pissed me off realising I wasn't part of the in crowd ! ! Cheers. Well that’s their decision. A small mob on permission with a few walking guns would be utilising a legal loophole and get no serious bother. Big events can’t be hidden. No guns present offers little plausible deniability. No permission and you are now a threat to much more powerful rural groups. The coursing world is now represented by people who don’t give a f**k at all. Rightly or wrongly. But they have to take some of the responsibility for where they find themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,963 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Well that’s their decision. A small mob on permission with a few walking guns would be utilising a legal loophole and get no serious bother. Big events can’t be hidden. No guns present offers little plausible deniability. No permission and you are now a threat to much more powerful rural groups. The coursing world is now represented by people who don’t give a f**k at all. Rightly or wrongly. But they have to take some of the responsibility for where they find themselves. I hate to be like a dog with a bone, (forgive the pun), on this, but Prescott and Clarrisa had guns, birds of prey and the hounds muzzled at their meet, hoping to exploit loopholes, but were arrested, charged and found guilty, although a sympathetic judge gave them an absolute discharge. i contend that there are NO legal loopholes for hare coursing and its the luck of the draw how the police, courts, etc, interpret the laws. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gypsydog94 4,705 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 Just now, chartpolski said: I hate to be like a dog with a bone, (forgive the pun), on this, but Prescott and Clarrisa had guns, birds of prey and the hounds muzzled at their meet, hoping to exploit loopholes, but were arrested, charged and found guilty, although a sympathetic judge gave them an absolute discharge. i contend that there are NO legal loopholes for hare coursing and its the luck of the draw how the police, courts, etc, interpret the laws. Cheers. Isn’t there something in the act about coursing meets? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 Just now, chartpolski said: I hate to be like a dog with a bone, (forgive the pun), on this, but Prescott and Clarrisa had guns, birds of prey and the hounds muzzled at their meet, hoping to exploit loopholes, but were arrested, charged and found guilty, although a sympathetic judge gave them an absolute discharge. i contend that there are NO legal loopholes for hare coursing and its the luck of the draw how the police, courts, etc, interpret the laws. Cheers. Mate, the loopholes offer deniability, they don’t offer exemption. Exactly the same as with hunting. Why are dogs muzzled? There’s no legal explanation for that other than “well we didn’t want them to kill the hares they were coursing”. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,249 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 f**k Da Ban…..I’m heading out later to sheepchasers place. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,963 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Mate, the loopholes offer deniability, they don’t offer exemption. Exactly the same as with hunting. Why are dogs muzzled? There’s no legal explanation for that other than “well we didn’t want them to kill the hares they were coursing”. I've no idea why the dogs were muzzled, maybe using Irish coursing as an example ? Clarissa was a qualified lawyer, so I'd guess she had some faith in the loopholes they were employing, sadly she was wrong. Anyhow, it's an interesting debate, but I'll bow out now before it gets repetitive Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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