Interesting read about wolves and dog food

[jetro 5,349]

FEED ME LIKE A ZOO WOLF

There is nothing more amusing than dog food debates among the counter thumping ignorants that engage in them.

As I have noted a hundred times, though dog food is a multi-billion dollar a year business, no evidence exists that any dog food is better than another.

None. Zero. Nyet. Empty set.

My favorite brand of idiots are those who start dog food debates with "But wolves eat...."

Right. Wolves are not dogs. You know that right? You know that a dog vocalizes differently, marks differently, and has a different estrus cycle, right? You know that dogs and wolves also digest food differently right? No? You don't know that? OK, let me fill you in. From the good folks at LiveScience:

“Axelsson and his colleagues analyzed the entire genetic codes of 12 wolves from across the globe, as well as the genomes of 60 individual domestic dogs from 14 different breeds. They pooled the domestic pups' results so that the genetic traits of individual breeds wouldn't skew the findings and then compared the pet dogs to the wolves, looking for places where the genomes diverged.

“This game of ‘spot the differences’ led the scientists to focus on 36 different regions. They found that 19 of these regions contained genes crucial for brain functioning, including eight important for the development of the nervous system.

“It was no surprise to see differences in brain genetics, Axelsson said, given that dogs had to modify their behavior to fit into human society. What did surprise the researchers, however, were 10 regions held genes involved with diet, specifically the breakdown of starches. Humans are well-equipped for starchy diets: Human saliva contains an enzyme called amylase, which starts breaking down starches as soon as food hits the mouth. Dog drool doesn't have this advantage, but dogs do excrete amylase from their pancreases, allowing for the digestion of starches in the gut.

“The researchers found that dogs have more copies of a gene called AMY2B, crucial for amylase production, than wolves. And in dogs, this gene is 28 times more active in the pancreas than in wolves.

“Dogs also showed changes in specific genes that allow for the breakdown of maltose into glucose, another key starch digestion step, and in genes allowing for the body to make use of this glucose.”

So wolves are not dogs. Similar, in some respects, but different.

You will find dogs and lions and tigers and bears at the circus leaping through hoops, but not true wolves.

You will find dogs pulling sleds and carts, but not wolves.

Wolves are not dogs. 

But are they similar? Oh sure.

Both are pack animals with pecking orders. But so are chickens. 

Both are opportunistic feeders. But so are chickens.

If a wolf is lucky enough to bring down a deer or an elk, they will tend to rip at the carcass starting with the easy access at the anus and burrow inward and upward to eat the stomach, liver, belly fat, and heart.

Wolves, like dogs and people, crave fats. If a wolf catches a familiar rabbit, it will probably eat it whole, same as a large dog, but if a fresh rabbit is found dead on the ground next to something as strange as a big lump of whale fat, it will eat the whale fat first. Fat is rare, and you take it when you can in as large an amount as you can.

And what of the wolf that catches neither rabbit nor deer nor elk? They will eat whatever they can, from acorns and grass to wild berries and trash. Ever watch a dog? They will do the same thing.

Wolf biologist David Mech notes that:

“In parts of Eurasia, wolves live in areas with relatively little wild prey, but subsist nevertheless on a wide variety of foods provided indirectly by humans. Foraging in garbage dumps, wolves eat meat scraps and various fruits, as well as inadvertently consuming non-food debris. In Israel, the following items were found in wolf scat: human hair, plastic, tinfoil, cigarettes, matches, and egg shells. In Minnesota, long sharp shards of glass were found in Scott's of garbage dump feeding wolves."

So, bottom line: Wolves are not picky eaters nor are they pure carnivores. 

Now, we get to the fun part. Do you know what they feed wolves in zoos? Dog food! 

The Association of Zoos & Aquariums Nutrition Advisory Group offers the following advice on the feeding of red wolves:

“Feeding requirements of red wolves have generally not been a problem in the RWSSP, as long as good quality commercial (dry) dog food is provided. Because of the number of commercial foods made, their availability, and cost it is difficult to recommend a specific brand. Wolves maintained in Tacoma have done well on food with label guarantees ranging from 22-28% protein, 8-18% fat, and 2-4% fiber. Vitamin supplements for red wolves are normally not required. Adding commercial carnivore log to dry chow may be needed to encourage some wolves to eat, although should not be the primary component of their feed.”

So what do they feed wolves in zoos? Dog food. And what kind? It does not really matter (though Purina ProPlan gets a shout-out) And how long do these zoo wolves live? A hell of a lot longer than those in the wild (and with better teeth too).

So feed your dog like a wild wolf (with the diseased rectum of a downer cow) or feed it like a zoo wolf (with Purina), but either way it will be fine.

Atb j 

 

[dogmandont 9,389]

13 minutes ago, jetro said:

FEED ME LIKE A ZOO WOLF

There is nothing more amusing than dog food debates among the counter thumping ignorants that engage in them.

As I have noted a hundred times, though dog food is a multi-billion dollar a year business, no evidence exists that any dog food is better than another.

None. Zero. Nyet. Empty set.

My favorite brand of idiots are those who start dog food debates with "But wolves eat...."

Right. Wolves are not dogs. You know that right? You know that a dog vocalizes differently, marks differently, and has a different estrus cycle, right? You know that dogs and wolves also digest food differently right? No? You don't know that? OK, let me fill you in. From the good folks at LiveScience:

“Axelsson and his colleagues analyzed the entire genetic codes of 12 wolves from across the globe, as well as the genomes of 60 individual domestic dogs from 14 different breeds. They pooled the domestic pups' results so that the genetic traits of individual breeds wouldn't skew the findings and then compared the pet dogs to the wolves, looking for places where the genomes diverged.

“This game of ‘spot the differences’ led the scientists to focus on 36 different regions. They found that 19 of these regions contained genes crucial for brain functioning, including eight important for the development of the nervous system.

“It was no surprise to see differences in brain genetics, Axelsson said, given that dogs had to modify their behavior to fit into human society. What did surprise the researchers, however, were 10 regions held genes involved with diet, specifically the breakdown of starches. Humans are well-equipped for starchy diets: Human saliva contains an enzyme called amylase, which starts breaking down starches as soon as food hits the mouth. Dog drool doesn't have this advantage, but dogs do excrete amylase from their pancreases, allowing for the digestion of starches in the gut.

“The researchers found that dogs have more copies of a gene called AMY2B, crucial for amylase production, than wolves. And in dogs, this gene is 28 times more active in the pancreas than in wolves.

“Dogs also showed changes in specific genes that allow for the breakdown of maltose into glucose, another key starch digestion step, and in genes allowing for the body to make use of this glucose.”

So wolves are not dogs. Similar, in some respects, but different.

You will find dogs and lions and tigers and bears at the circus leaping through hoops, but not true wolves.

You will find dogs pulling sleds and carts, but not wolves.

Wolves are not dogs. 

But are they similar? Oh sure.

Both are pack animals with pecking orders. But so are chickens. 

Both are opportunistic feeders. But so are chickens.

If a wolf is lucky enough to bring down a deer or an elk, they will tend to rip at the carcass starting with the easy access at the anus and burrow inward and upward to eat the stomach, liver, belly fat, and heart.

Wolves, like dogs and people, crave fats. If a wolf catches a familiar rabbit, it will probably eat it whole, same as a large dog, but if a fresh rabbit is found dead on the ground next to something as strange as a big lump of whale fat, it will eat the whale fat first. Fat is rare, and you take it when you can in as large an amount as you can.

And what of the wolf that catches neither rabbit nor deer nor elk? They will eat whatever they can, from acorns and grass to wild berries and trash. Ever watch a dog? They will do the same thing.

Wolf biologist David Mech notes that:

“In parts of Eurasia, wolves live in areas with relatively little wild prey, but subsist nevertheless on a wide variety of foods provided indirectly by humans. Foraging in garbage dumps, wolves eat meat scraps and various fruits, as well as inadvertently consuming non-food debris. In Israel, the following items were found in wolf scat: human hair, plastic, tinfoil, cigarettes, matches, and egg shells. In Minnesota, long sharp shards of glass were found in Scott's of garbage dump feeding wolves."

So, bottom line: Wolves are not picky eaters nor are they pure carnivores. 

Now, we get to the fun part. Do you know what they feed wolves in zoos? Dog food! 

The Association of Zoos & Aquariums Nutrition Advisory Group offers the following advice on the feeding of red wolves:

“Feeding requirements of red wolves have generally not been a problem in the RWSSP, as long as good quality commercial (dry) dog food is provided. Because of the number of commercial foods made, their availability, and cost it is difficult to recommend a specific brand. Wolves maintained in Tacoma have done well on food with label guarantees ranging from 22-28% protein, 8-18% fat, and 2-4% fiber. Vitamin supplements for red wolves are normally not required. Adding commercial carnivore log to dry chow may be needed to encourage some wolves to eat, although should not be the primary component of their feed.”

So what do they feed wolves in zoos? Dog food. And what kind? It does not really matter (though Purina ProPlan gets a shout-out) And how long do these zoo wolves live? A hell of a lot longer than those in the wild (and with better teeth too).

So feed your dog like a wild wolf (with the diseased rectum of a downer cow) or feed it like a zoo wolf (with Purina), but either way it will be fine.

Atb j 

 

Load of bollix that jetro.

[bird 9,599]

Well, I know one thing with my dogs, they were active /fit on a dry food 24 % protein with raw mince chicken, not bad teeth old Bryn  who 13 good teeth and  not bad for his age. They do eat rabbits and venison, but  boil them for 15 mins kill worms, plus rich meat give them real bad shits, last time from venison, had to feed them boiled rice 3 days get there guts right. They deff ain't wolves. There domestic animal bred by man, the above gives few truths I think. 

[TOMO 24,969]

I used to supply rabbits by the hundreds direct to zoos to feed all there carnivors .....I now supply  to a middle man that sells rabbits to zoos sometimes he has a thousand or more rabbits from many different chaps that go to different zoos feeding carnivores ....

and many years ago I was at the highland wildlife park at kinggusie in Perthshire...and was talking to one of the fellas as he was going round with a wheelbarrow full of rabbits feeding the wolves...bears and other carnivors ...

now I'm not saying I know how every zoo feeds its wolves or carninvors .....maybe they do feed some dog food as well.....but I think there is some bollox in that report...

not the bit about dogs  and wolves being different ...and dogs being able to digest starch...but I just cant see the zookeepers going round with a wheelbarrow full of vitalin feeding a pack of wolves on a daily basis.....

wonder who sponsored that report.....one of the big dog food companies..??

 

[WILF 44,465]

Sponsored by Purina ! Lol 

[dogmandont 9,389]

When he says some wolves have to be encouraged to eat the dry it pretty much says it all, bet they don't have to be encouraged to eat flesh and that they live longer in captivity well of course they would as they don't have to do fcuk all but eat and shit and get health checks and veterinary care, abit different from living in the wild where only the fittest survive. 

This ad has been sponsored by Tomo the rabbit catcher. Lol. 

Edited August 16, 2020 by dogmandont

[TOMO 24,969]

4 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

When he says some wolves have to be encouraged to eat the dry it pretty much says it all, bet they don't have to be encouraged to eat flesh and that they live longer in captivity well of course they would as they don't have to do fcuk all but eat and shit and get health checks and veterinary care, abit different from living in the wild where only the fittest survive. 

This ad has been sponsored by Tomo the rabbit catcher. Lol. 

exactly...

[Greyman 25,617]

1 hour ago, TOMO said:

I used to supply rabbits by the hundreds direct to zoos to feed all there carnivors .....I now supply  to a middle man that sells rabbits to zoos sometimes he has a thousand or more rabbits from many different chaps that go to different zoos feeding carnivores ....

and many years ago I was at the highland wildlife park at kinggusie in Perthshire...and was talking to one of the fellas as he was going round with a wheelbarrow full of rabbits feeding the wolves...bears and other carnivors ...

now I'm not saying I know how every zoo feeds its wolves or carninvors .....maybe they do feed some dog food as well.....but I think there is some bollox in that report...

not the bit about dogs  and wolves being different ...and dogs being able to digest starch...but I just cant see the zookeepers going round with a wheelbarrow full of vitalin feeding a pack of wolves on a daily basis.....

wonder who sponsored that report.....one of the big dog food companies..??

 

Same as that mate, all my game that was to damaged for the game dealer went to the zoo, reason the zoo gave was the wolf’s need the fur and bones in there diet to assist there digestion and can’t be fed on meat alone, plus wolfs and dogs cross breed quite frequently so can’t be that different,  of all the canids wolf and dog are closer related than a fox and dog I would think

[Shadow100 1,065]

People will never agree on feeding, but I think my dogs look best when fed meat, fish, bones & fat.

I get whole tripes from the slaughterhouse and the rest of their diet consists of what they catch & whatever’s reduced in morrisons, ie rabbit, hare, venison, chicken thighs, lamb breast, hearts, liver, salmon etc.

I just can’t get my head around a little brown nugget being better for a dog than proper meat. 

 

Edited August 16, 2020 by Shadow100

[Greyman 25,617]

My patterdale had some form of fit/seizures from quite a young age, when she was fed tinned dog food they could occur several times a day, and those dentastick chewy tooth cleaning shit things would have her fitting all day changed to a raw meat diet the fits went down to one every few weeks and much less intense,she went on to 16years old, did quite a bit of reading into it and fits and other ailments seem much more common in dogs fed on tinned foods and even vets seem very divided about it