Jobi 387 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Stoney100 said: Maybe so but not at heavyweight...... my friendly, pacifist, none passive aggressive response is Ali would of only got better as he came down weights but it’s harder the other way Resume wise he's the greatest no doubt at HW but there's a few that would have been very dangerous for him H2H. Joe Louis, Mike Tyson, Larry Holmes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stoney100 1,179 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jobi said: Resume wise he's the greatest no doubt at HW but there's a few that would have been very dangerous for him H2H. Joe Louis, Mike Tyson, Larry Holmes. Who knows, it’s hard to say and it will never be answered now but I believe he would of found a way, he was just simply to good not to! Edited September 18, 2019 by Stoney100 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Jobi 387 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, Stoney100 said: Who knows, it’s hard to say and it will never be answered now but I believe he would of found a way, he was just simply to good not to! He couldn't find a way in the first Frazier bout, yes he was a few fights after his lay-off but Joe proved he could be beat. That for me is probably the best HW fight of all time. He couldn't lick Kenny Norton in 3 outings even though he was gifted 2 of them, he was an amazing fighter and you would favour him to beat anybody at his peak but I'm not so confident. Louis and Tyson would have had the best chance of stopping him, both were ferocious combination punchers. A nice article on a mythical Tyson/Ali bout. https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/kzzm53/a-brutally-honest-look-at-mike-tyson-versus-muhammad-ali Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jobi 387 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Stoney100 said: That was a promotion for their documentary Champions Forever, I've got it on DVD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king 11,664 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Stoney100 said: this is a cracker stoney.im sure you would of seen it though... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stoney100 1,179 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, king said: when ali lent back on the ropes and let foreman unload a good few times the power in foreman would destroy probably all of todays heavyweight's. can you imagine fury leaning back on the ropes and letting someone the same size and the same power as foreman unload on him. he would be on the canvas double quick. no sane man can compare fury to ali it's total madness... He goes into depth on the rope a dope here mate, well worth a watch Edited September 18, 2019 by Stoney100 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jobi 387 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Stoney100 said: He goes into depth on the rope a dope here mate, well worth a watch The rope-a-dope was a myth, Ali did not plan to use this tactic at all. He underestimated Foreman's ability to cut off the ring and improvised on the spot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stoney100 1,179 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jobi said: He couldn't find a way in the first Frazier bout, yes he was a few fights after his lay-off but Joe proved he could be beat. That for me is probably the best HW fight of all time. He couldn't lick Kenny Norton in 3 outings even though he was gifted 2 of them, he was an amazing fighter and you would favour him to beat anybody at his peak but I'm not so confident. Louis and Tyson would have had the best chance of stopping him, both were ferocious combination punchers. A nice article on a mythical Tyson/Ali bout. https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/kzzm53/a-brutally-honest-look-at-mike-tyson-versus-muhammad-ali There’s not much shame in going 15 rounds against joe fraizer and losing on points tho. Fraizer won the first battle but Ali won the war at 2-1 mate, we can nit pick all we want, we could mention Ali’s peak years were missed due to not going Vietnam and getting banned so did we even see the best of him? Who knows, he is long gone but the fact we are still talking about his fights from 50 years ago like they were yesterday speaks volumes in itself imo......I’ve forgot the danish guys name fury fought on Sunday already lol 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king 11,664 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Stoney100 said: good interview that stoney. the story about stuff on the gloves was mad. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stoney100 1,179 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jobi said: The rope-a-dope was a myth, Ali did not plan to use this tactic at all. He underestimated Foreman's ability to cut off the ring and improvised on the spot. Yes I know, infact it’s common knowledge isn’t it?......that’s exactly what made it so good mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jobi 387 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Stoney100 said: There’s not much shame in going 15 rounds against joe fraizer and losing on points tho. Fraizer won the first battle but Ali won the war at 2-1 mate, we can nit pick all we want, we could mention Ali’s peak years were missed due to not going Vietnam and getting banned so did we even see the best of him? Who knows, he is long gone but the fact we are still talking about his fights from 50 years ago like they were yesterday speaks volumes in itself imo......I’ve forgot the danish guys name fury fought on Sunday already lol No shame at all and he gave Frazier that much of a beating in the FOTC he spent weeks in hospital and was never the same again. I just think a bigger, faster, harder hitting Tyson would have been a much bigger danger than Frazier. Peak for peak that would have been a fight for the ages. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stoney100 1,179 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, king said: good interview that stoney. the story about stuff on the gloves was mad. Here’s the full show mate if you get chance it’s all a good watch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king 11,664 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, Stoney100 said: Here’s the full show mate if you get chance it’s all a good watch spot on i will have a look at that tommorow... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stoney100 1,179 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jobi said: No shame at all and he gave Frazier that much of a beating in the FOTC he spent weeks in hospital and was never the same again. I just think a bigger, faster, harder hitting Tyson would have been a much bigger danger than Frazier. Peak for peak that would have been a fight for the ages. Frazier was bigger than tyson.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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