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Anyone sent the mail to DEFRA re the request from BASC?

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This is what I emailed to them.

I have been involved in shooting for over 50 years in various forms but primarily undertaking crop protection, livestock protection and preservation of some flora and fauna.
The revocation of the GLs recently has caused major disruption to landowners who have given me permission to help control damage caused mainly by woodpigeons, crows, magpies, rooks and jackdaws.
I would like to cite one particular farm as an example of how the farmers reaction to the revocation and the issue of the new, unworkable GL, will cause major damage to our countryside and the animals and birds that live in it.
This farm is mixed arable and sheep, relatively small fields with a large number of copses and spinneys that are used by many nesting birds and sheltering animals.
There are many mature tree around the fields that are used as roosts and look out points, tall hedges that provide stock barriers and ideal nesting habitat.
This farm owner and I had a long talk about the new GL issued for control of woodpigeons and corvids in particular.
We consider the new GL to be so ambiguous that pest control for him now means removing all the copses and spinneys, they will be grubbed out and burned within the next month. 
An active rookery of some 100+ birds is located in a group of mature trees, instead of culling to keep numbers stable the trees will now be cut down, similarly, individual trees will be removed where pest birds routinely use them.
The lovely mature hedges are going to be cut almost to ground level or removed entirely to be replaced by barbed wire or electric fencing.
Another farm near me has, in the last 3 weeks reseeded a number of grass fields. A combination of gas guns, flags and tapes were deployed but ignored by the birds within 3 days. Now the grass has sprouted there are large patches that are virtually bare and will need reseeding. Further expense and no doubt a delay before any hay or silage can be taken for winter feed. In previous years we have used a combination of deterrents and shooting to keep the birds moving, particularly with corvids a few dead crows hung around a boundary can have a huge deterrent effect on the rest.
In my view, the new issue GLs are virtually unworkable in any sensible manner and don't allow landowners and shooters to use commonsense in dealing with a pest bird situation. This will lead to untold damage across our countryside, loss of habitat and a lack of protection and shelter for many of our most vulnerable birds and animals. The birds that need controlling regularly are all in a position where their population is increasing to the detriment of other wildlife and increasing stock and crop damage.
That group includes woodpigeons, feral pigeons, all corvids except maybe jays.
Surely the best way to reduce the numbers to a manageable level would be to declare some species officially a pest that may be culled for any reason and in the case of woodpigeon, for human consumption. At any time that numbers fall to an acceptable level those species are then returned to a GL or to an individual/local licence.

 

Did the survey as well and a similar email to Wild Justice on monday and signed up for their newsletter. Funnily enough they haven't replied.

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1 hour ago, Furrosious ferreter said:

No... only done the survey.

Timmytree needs to get on it. His points come across, and decently writen.

FF

Done it. God only knows if it will do any good.

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After intense lobbying by BASC and other rural organisations, Defra has taken over decision making on general licences from Natural England. Defra now wants evidence from those who have been affected by the withdrawal of the three main bird pest control general licences (GL04, GL05 and GL06) for England on 25 April. This personal experience is important to the outcome of the Defra review

Please email Defra to explain how the events of the last 2-3 weeks may have restricted your ability to shoot or trap pest birds in England and any impacts this has had on livestock, crops, wild birds etc. Any specific examples you can give on damage or losses would be most useful. Be polite, concise and to the point.

Remember that, under law, general licences allow shooting for the control of pest species and not for sport. It may help to use your own words to answer the following questions:

• How effective and practical as a means of control are the alternatives to shooting?

• What is your experience of the benefits and practicalities of the old general licences (withdrawn on 25 April 2019)?

• What problems did you and others experience due to your inability to shoot and/or trap when the three licences were revoked; what was the impact?

Email your views to glevidence@defra.gov.uk by 5pm on Monday 13 May.

Click here for more information on the call for evidence.

2. Help us make our case to Defra: complete a 5-minute survey

Anyone in BASC will have had this email but here's the details for anyone who isn't. Everyone needs to get on to this so can someone make sure this gets everywhere on the forum please. Also, anyone on Pigeonwatch and BBS pass it on. I can't because I'm banned.

BASC will be providing Defra with a detailed submission and we have launched a survey to gather the evidence that we think will help influence decision makers.

Click here to complete the survey:

https://www.research.net/r/BASC-GLsurvey

Click here for the latest general licence news:

www.basc.org.uk/gl

Please forward this email to your shooting contacts.

Thank you for your help in fighting for a common-sense approach to bird pest control in England.

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Yes filled it in rez👍

Nicely put tim, just shows them that one daft decision by a body of people that know relatively nothing can have a much larger impact on the whole countryside. Well done pal👍

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37 minutes ago, timmytree said:

This is what I emailed to them.

I have been involved in shooting for over 50 years in various forms but primarily undertaking crop protection, livestock protection and preservation of some flora and fauna.
The revocation of the GLs recently has caused major disruption to landowners who have given me permission to help control damage caused mainly by woodpigeons, crows, magpies, rooks and jackdaws.
I would like to cite one particular farm as an example of how the farmers reaction to the revocation and the issue of the new, unworkable GL, will cause major damage to our countryside and the animals and birds that live in it.
This farm is mixed arable and sheep, relatively small fields with a large number of copses and spinneys that are used by many nesting birds and sheltering animals.
There are many mature tree around the fields that are used as roosts and look out points, tall hedges that provide stock barriers and ideal nesting habitat.
This farm owner and I had a long talk about the new GL issued for control of woodpigeons and corvids in particular.
We consider the new GL to be so ambiguous that pest control for him now means removing all the copses and spinneys, they will be grubbed out and burned within the next month. 
An active rookery of some 100+ birds is located in a group of mature trees, instead of culling to keep numbers stable the trees will now be cut down, similarly, individual trees will be removed where pest birds routinely use them.
The lovely mature hedges are going to be cut almost to ground level or removed entirely to be replaced by barbed wire or electric fencing.
Another farm near me has, in the last 3 weeks reseeded a number of grass fields. A combination of gas guns, flags and tapes were deployed but ignored by the birds within 3 days. Now the grass has sprouted there are large patches that are virtually bare and will need reseeding. Further expense and no doubt a delay before any hay or silage can be taken for winter feed. In previous years we have used a combination of deterrents and shooting to keep the birds moving, particularly with corvids a few dead crows hung around a boundary can have a huge deterrent effect on the rest.
In my view, the new issue GLs are virtually unworkable in any sensible manner and don't allow landowners and shooters to use commonsense in dealing with a pest bird situation. This will lead to untold damage across our countryside, loss of habitat and a lack of protection and shelter for many of our most vulnerable birds and animals. The birds that need controlling regularly are all in a position where their population is increasing to the detriment of other wildlife and increasing stock and crop damage.
That group includes woodpigeons, feral pigeons, all corvids except maybe jays.
Surely the best way to reduce the numbers to a manageable level would be to declare some species officially a pest that may be culled for any reason and in the case of woodpigeon, for human consumption. At any time that numbers fall to an acceptable level those species are then returned to a GL or to an individual/local licence.

 

Did the survey as well and a similar email to Wild Justice on monday and signed up for their newsletter. Funnily enough they haven't replied.

Now thats how to do it... copy and paste that i think.

Weldone.

Shame all that mature wood land and hedges have to go which in the long run is more of a down fall to all other species.

FF

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20 minutes ago, Furrosious ferreter said:

Now thats how to do it... copy and paste that i think.

Weldone.

Shame all that mature wood land and hedges have to go which in the long run is more of a down fall to all other species.

FF

It's very sad but I think it's going to be a common reaction.

Don't copy and paste that email in it's entirety, change it to suit your own situation. If DEFRA get too many emails that are obviously copied they may discount a lot of genuine ones.

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5 hours ago, j j m said:

whats it say

I've reproduced the email further down, get it filled and sent mate.

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Whilst  the thought may be there ,reality is that those trees and hedges will never be grubbed out and rightly so .Poor argument I think .

 

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All filled in and sent and I feel better for it too.

                One of the scarecrows the farmer put out had a crow perched on its arm this morning. :laugh:

 

                As well as make me laugh, it made me feel sick to the core that centuries of country management and knowledge is being dictated to by these ignorant people.

 

                Do your bit lads and fill in the forms and send.

 

                                            atb. Mark.

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