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[WILF 49,731]

5 hours ago, Stoney100 said:

What, as in the way that the British empire did exactly the same thing to there ancestors? 250 years ago ghandis great grandad could of been sat happily in his hut in India, 6 wife’s, as many goats as a man could want while his 30 kids work the rice fields and cattle, quiet content with his life until the British came along and took everything he owned, killed or raped his wives/children, forced him to live under the British raj (rule) and forcing unknown millions of his country folk to starve to death as all the crops they grew got took off them and exported round the empire! The British empire is responsible for 20 times the deaths of the nazis, we even had our own concentration camps in South Africa for boer POWs, look up the “Amritsar massacre” and see how British soldiers rounded up over 2000 peaceful Indians protesting against the British raj in some walled gardens and then the officers ordered the Gurkha soldiers to keep firing rifles into the crowds for ten minutes killing 1000 and injuring the rest and then the British public raised £26,000 as a thank you to the officer who ordered the killings and you wonder why people hate the British and want to come here to take advantage of what our ancestors did to their homelands? Our queen was the queen of Pakistan   for a while and as part of the many back handers britain gave to Pakistan and all the other country’s we gave independence to they agreed that so many could have British passports to come to england to work, so 1000s did which soon became millions and we are left with what we all see in front of our eyes today! As I get older and slightly wiser, I’ve started to realise that Britain and being British is f**k all to be proud of, infact I cant say I even class myself as British anymore, im English and it’s just unlucky the British HQ is based in London so any of its citizens are welcome on these shores as much as we are welcome on there’s it’s just not many go the other way lol if ever you watch these “racist moment on bus/train” type videos on YouTube 9 times out of 10 it will be some drunk saying something along the lines of “you should all f**k off cause your not English” and then the Indian/pakistani/Nigerian/Chinese etc victim will simply reply “no I’m not, I’m British” and that is where the argument ends imo as they are spot on, whether you like it or not they do have the right to come over here, they do have the right to have use our welfare system, they do have the right to use the NHS etc etc because they are as British as Tommy Robinson, it’s more the fact it’s your choice as to whether you stay in england and accept it or move to pastures new and be nothing to do with it. The real truth is England and the English under British rule have been f****d over just as much as any other country that ever had the misfortune of being ruled by the British empire, all the big cities here are f****d, London’s mayor is Islamic and people think it will all change coming out of Europe when infact it was our own empire that created the wonderful mess of england 2019! 

This part wont go down well on here but please hear me out......

I believe islam is a religion of peace  now at first glance that might sound crazy but I really do believe it! Going back to ghandis grandad quickly, before partition his fellow countryman further north in the Kashmir regions was a Muslim, a man who like ghandis grandad was content with sitting watching the sunset, saying a few prayers then spending the night with his 9 year old wife (it’s ok cause his prophet says so) and while he might conform to a backwards religion from the desert, he is content and peaceful with his lot until someone (ie the British empire) starts invading his land and commuting some of the worst human atrocities the world has ever seen! So what are they going to do? Well like any of us they are going to fight back and with history having a nasty habit of repeating themselves them coming to take over here is no worse than what the British forced on them! They were happy herding goats in stunning mountain scenery, they were happy f***ing their own sisters and marrying their own cousins, they were happy just doing whatever Muslims in 1800s India did and if Britain never went there and did what it did then there’s every chance they would still be happily doing it over there! 

You reap what you sow

Can’t really argue with much of that......it won’t be welcomed on here mind you because too much of it rings true.

I have never believed that Asia and Africa belong in the west but as you rightly point out it’s the people we have continually voted to put in power that have done this too us and so it follows that we have actually done it to ourselves.

Home truths, never going to be popular matey

good post.

[WILF 49,731]

21 minutes ago, king said:

So the British committed some of the worse atrocities the world has ever seen

A game in the concentration camps of South Africa involved burying Boer prisoners up to their necks and then seeing who could kick the head off of them.

Amritsar was a well documented slaughter.

I could go on and on and on .......

We are not unique in our savagery, every country in the world has committed some type and we just happened to get about a bit, but by no means are our hands clean.

Thats just how it is.....

[lurcherman 887 13,425]

Well said stoney... but sweedens very much the same as england if not worse!!  So id f**k that off.. 

[lurcherman 887 13,425]

And what ever happened to the tommy rabbistein movement seems to have died out lol 

[WILF 49,731]

Having lived in Ireland for 4 years......I’d say definitely go for the sunshine ! Lol 

[king 12,025]

14 minutes ago, WILF said:

A game in the concentration camps of South Africa involved burying Boer prisoners up to their necks and then seeing who could kick the head off of them.

Amritsar was a well documented slaughter.

I could go on and on and on .......

We are not unique in our savagery, every country in the world has committed some type and we just happened to get about a bit, but by no means are our hands clean.

Thats just how it is.....

I realise that wilf.

Now if they tried kicking the heads off pedo's I would be rather happy with that.

But it's opening a can of worms on here with so many different views.

And it's been a calm week on THL.

And it's Friday so I will leave it there wilf.

[WILF 49,731]

1 minute ago, king said:

I realise that wilf.

Now if they tried kicking the heads off pedo's I would be rather happy with that.

But it's opening a can of worms on here with so many different views.

And it's been a calm week on THL.

And it's Friday so I will leave it there wilf.

Fair one matey.

Im certainly not sorry or embarrassed about our past, I just accept thats how it is.

But I think it’s important to be realistic too, saying things out loud don’t mean the bloke hates his country it just means he is being honest.

atb

[Born Hunter 17,909]

6 hours ago, Stoney100 said:

What, as in the way that the British empire did exactly the same thing to there ancestors? 250 years ago ghandis great grandad could of been sat happily in his hut in India, 6 wife’s, as many goats as a man could want while his 30 kids work the rice fields and cattle, quiet content with his life until the British came along and took everything he owned, killed or raped his wives/children, forced him to live under the British raj (rule) and forcing unknown millions of his country folk to starve to death as all the crops they grew got took off them and exported round the empire! The British empire is responsible for 20 times the deaths of the nazis, we even had our own concentration camps in South Africa for boer POWs, look up the “Amritsar massacre” and see how British soldiers rounded up over 2000 peaceful Indians protesting against the British raj in some walled gardens and then the officers ordered the Gurkha soldiers to keep firing rifles into the crowds for ten minutes killing 1000 and injuring the rest and then the British public raised £26,000 as a thank you to the officer who ordered the killings and you wonder why people hate the British and want to come here to take advantage of what our ancestors did to their homelands? Our queen was the queen of Pakistan   for a while and as part of the many back handers britain gave to Pakistan and all the other country’s we gave independence to they agreed that so many could have British passports to come to england to work, so 1000s did which soon became millions and we are left with what we all see in front of our eyes today! As I get older and slightly wiser, I’ve started to realise that Britain and being British is f**k all to be proud of, infact I cant say I even class myself as British anymore, im English and it’s just unlucky the British HQ is based in London so any of its citizens are welcome on these shores as much as we are welcome on there’s it’s just not many go the other way lol if ever you watch these “racist moment on bus/train” type videos on YouTube 9 times out of 10 it will be some drunk saying something along the lines of “you should all f**k off cause your not English” and then the Indian/pakistani/Nigerian/Chinese etc victim will simply reply “no I’m not, I’m British” and that is where the argument ends imo as they are spot on, whether you like it or not they do have the right to come over here, they do have the right to have use our welfare system, they do have the right to use the NHS etc etc because they are as British as Tommy Robinson, it’s more the fact it’s your choice as to whether you stay in england and accept it or move to pastures new and be nothing to do with it. The real truth is England and the English under British rule have been f****d over just as much as any other country that ever had the misfortune of being ruled by the British empire, all the big cities here are f****d, London’s mayor is Islamic and people think it will all change coming out of Europe when infact it was our own empire that created the wonderful mess of england 2019! 

This part wont go down well on here but please hear me out......

I believe islam is a religion of peace  now at first glance that might sound crazy but I really do believe it! Going back to ghandis grandad quickly, before partition his fellow countryman further north in the Kashmir regions was a Muslim, a man who like ghandis grandad was content with sitting watching the sunset, saying a few prayers then spending the night with his 9 year old wife (it’s ok cause his prophet says so) and while he might conform to a backwards religion from the desert, he is content and peaceful with his lot until someone (ie the British empire) starts invading his land and commuting some of the worst human atrocities the world has ever seen! So what are they going to do? Well like any of us they are going to fight back and with history having a nasty habit of repeating themselves them coming to take over here is no worse than what the British forced on them! They were happy herding goats in stunning mountain scenery, they were happy f***ing their own sisters and marrying their own cousins, they were happy just doing whatever Muslims in 1800s India did and if Britain never went there and did what it did then there’s every chance they would still be happily doing it over there! 

You reap what you sow

I'm not going to challenge any of the facts you have quoted but the conclusion wreaks of white guilt to me. I'm not entirely sure how I'm supposed to be responsible for the acts of the likes of Cecil Rhodes?

Human history is one of conquest and genocide. But we're supposed to be ones feeling guilty today? We can't take the responsibility of colonialism anymore than we can the medals for storming the beaches of Normandy. It's flawed in it's logic and totally unethical.

Edited April 5, 2019 by Born Hunter

[WILF 49,731]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

Wreaks of white guilt to me. I'm not entirely sure how I'm supposed to be responsible for the acts of the likes of Cecil Rhodes?

Human history of is one conquest and genocide. But we're supposed to be ones feeling guilty today?

Didn’t come across like to me I have to say, it came across more about looking something in the face and seeing it for what it is mate?

 

[Born Hunter 17,909]

Just now, WILF said:

Didn’t come across like to me I have to say, it came across more about looking something in the face and seeing it for what it is mate?

 

i didn't challenge any of the historical facts. Just this ridiculous belief that because our ancestors took part in colonialism we, today, have an moral obligation to suffer the same! 

[Born Hunter 17,909]

double post

Edited April 5, 2019 by Born Hunter

[WILF 49,731]

3 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

i didn't challenge any of the historical facts. Just this ridiculous belief that because our ancestors took part in colonialism we, today, have an moral obligation to suffer the same! 

We don’t but we choose to and we vote too all the time.

And round we come once again to the fact lads have been saying this for years and years but those lads are vilified......the British public winge like f**k but they don’t want to get their hands dirty, take a chance there may be any discomfort to themselves personally or be associated with any nastiness.

Most folks talk a good job but in reality they are shit scared of being called a nasty name mate........they love the weddings but they want f**k all to do with the funerals.

[Born Hunter 17,909]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

We don’t but we choose to and we vote too all the time.

And round we come once again to the fact lads have been saying this for years and years but those lads are vilified......the British public winge like f**k but they don’t want to get their hands dirty, take a chance there may be any discomfort to themselves personally or be associated with any nastiness.

Most folks talk a good job but in reality they are shit scared of being called a nasty name mate........they love the weddings but they want f**k all to do with the funerals.

Well I kinda just accept it for what it is, so I'm not usually winging about immigration. Frankly I think globalism is an inevitability and nationalism is on borrowed time, not because of politics but progress. Yet I'm still on the nationalist side of the axis, but we don't really need to have that discussion....

Real simply, I don't accept the argument that because colonialism stirred this shit up that we today have a moral obligation to accept the consequences. It's a fact that colonialist policies cause a lot of unrest but it's hardly intuitive that we should therefore accept it generations later.

The only relevance that history lesson has is as education for how to best proceed today. It is NOT some sort of moral precedence we must abide by.

[Born Hunter 17,909]

If that wasn't the underlying tone of Stewie's post then I'll apologise for my misunderstanding now. The pic at the end seemed to optimise it for me.

[WILF 49,731]

26 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Well I kinda just accept it for what it is, so I'm not usually winging about immigration. Frankly I think globalism is an inevitability and nationalism is on borrowed time, not because of politics but progress. Yet I'm still on the nationalist side of the axis, but we don't really need to have that discussion....

Real simply, I don't accept the argument that because colonialism stirred this shit up that we today have a moral obligation to accept the consequences. It's a fact that colonialist policies cause a lot of unrest but it's hardly intuitive that we should therefore accept it generations later.

The only relevance that history lesson has is as education for how to best proceed today. It is NOT some sort of moral precedence we must abide by.

And yet, we have just destroyed Syria.......and we will be moaning like f**k about those people coming to the British Isles.

If we want to keep poking our nose in then we either do it with a “f**k you” attitude or we suffer the fall out.......or we stop voting for the pricks that are doing it.

Im not ashamed we wiped a load of fuzzy wuzzys off the face of the earth, I personally couldn’t give a f**k......but I’m realistic about the consequences given the system we live under.