Born Hunter 17,960 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 Quote A judge on Thursday temporarily blocked the opening of the first grizzly bear hunts in the Rocky Mountains in more than 40 years, as he considers whether the government was wrong to lift federal protections on the animals. US District Judge Dana Christensen's order came just two days before Idaho and Wyoming prepared to open the first grizzly bear hunting seasons in the Lower 48 states since 1974. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/31/first-yellowstone-area-grizzly-hunt-40-years-blocked-federal/ Saw this in the news this morning. Thought I'd chuck it up in GT to trigger a bit of hunting related debate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kerny92 1,246 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 They obviously can't agree on figures so a proper census is needed before open season is allowed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,960 Posted August 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kerny92 said: They obviously can't agree on figures so a proper census is needed before open season is allowed. If there is significant doubt then I agree but I can't help but wonder if this has more to do with the politics of hunting than the facts of conservation. Nonetheless, it's another conservation success story for the Americans. There was a video of a Grizzly in the Colorado Rockies last year that was a bit controversial because officially they are considered extirpated there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 I would have thought that between government and charity bodies they would over the last decade have got the numbers pretty bang on by now and if there was any doubt on how many bears were in that region there's no way hunting would be allowed. It looks to me like the judge is anti hunting. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kerny92 1,246 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 Or maybe he's neutral and wants to keep things as they are? There's been no bear hunting there since the 70's? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,960 Posted August 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 32 minutes ago, Kerny92 said: Or maybe he's neutral and wants to keep things as they are? There's been no bear hunting there since the 70's? Because the Grizzly population was in a bad way. Like the wolf population it is now at a level that will impact ranchers and ungulate populations. They're all totally protected in the National Park. The quotas are for surrounding lands where hunting is legal. Limited harvesting will have minimal impact and can be adjusted annually in line with their conservation objectives. This policy change has historical precedence with other species. For some reason Bears, specifically Grizzlies, are more outrageous to the public. "Charismatic megafauna" as Rinella calls them. British Columbia banned the hunting of them recently for no other reason than public emotion. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kerny92 1,246 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Because the Grizzly population was in a bad way. Like the wolf population it is now at a level that will impact ranchers and ungulate populations. They're all totally protected in the National Park. The quotas are for surrounding lands where hunting is legal. Limited harvesting will have minimal impact and can be adjusted annually in line with their conservation objectives. This policy change has historical precedence with other species. For some reason Bears, specifically Grizzlies, are more outrageous to the public. "Charismatic megafauna" as Rinella calls them. British Columbia banned the hunting of them recently for no other reason than public emotion. You can thank Roosevelt for that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,960 Posted August 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 27 minutes ago, Kerny92 said: You can thank Roosevelt for that. Probably one of histories most interesting characters, to me. I'd love to be able to go back in time and accompany him on his adventures. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Meece 1,958 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, W. Katchum said: moral if story, do not try an hunt one with ye motor Good job the bear ain't armed with a 44 magnum !! (Bear)," you feel lucky, PUNK? WELL DO YOU !! Try running me over again PUNK and I'll RIP YER TIRES OFF" !! They didnt show whether the bear went back and trashed the muppets vehicle that ran him over like this. Moral of the story, don't run things over. Edited August 31, 2018 by Meece Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j j m 6,626 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 That's one way to trap a bear Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The one 8,593 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 Yet when you watch any programme on history all the hunters moan about the amount of bears are on the increase Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eastcoast 4,623 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Kerny92 said: You can thank Roosevelt for that. That’s an interesting comment. Do you mean because of Roosevelt’s influence on popular opinion from being a hunter or an early conservationalist ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/08/31/grizzly-bear-expresses-his-displeasure-following-catch-and-relea/?ncid=newsltuknew00000001AOL UK 083118 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 10,363 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 thats why they should vote for trump, hes pro hunting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 30,061 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 8 hours ago, W. Katchum said: moral if story, do not try an hunt one with ye motor I think that might be one of those huge brown bears they get in kamchatka? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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