No Warrant? No Worries!

[ChrisJones 7,975]

7 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

 due process, freedom of speech etc are being pissed on and folks call those concerned sensitive and paranoid. 

See Chris, see, nobody cares. "All this democracy and stuff we have is just God given, duh!".

... and they wonder why people are leaving the place in droves!

Fair one mate. I guess that closes it. I wasn't in a rush to come back anyway!

[Born Hunter 17,975]

46 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

... and they wonder why people are leaving the place in droves!

Fair one mate. I guess that closes it. I wasn't in a rush to come back anyway!

Not that I'm trying to silence you. I honestly think the only solution is to expose these things and have the discussions and arguments at grass roots level. So bravo! If people understand and believe in the rights and principles that are so symbiotic to democracy then 'we' might just start believing in them again and so demand they are protected while it is still possible peacefully.

[WILF 51,724]

8 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Not that I'm trying to silence you. I honestly think the only solution is to expose these things and have the discussions and arguments at grass roots level. So bravo! If people understand and believe in the rights and principles that are so symbiotic to democracy then 'we' might just start believing in them again and so demand they are protected while it is still possible peacefully.

You have a hell of a lot more faith than me mate.......I don’t believe there is any mass taste to consider these things.

If 5% of the population thought about these things on a once a week basis I would be very f***ing surprised.

The numbers that Labour, Conservative And Lib Dem’s poll at election times proves that everyone of those people voting don’t think about it for one second.

[Born Hunter 17,975]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

You have a hell of a lot more faith than me mate.......I don’t believe there is any mass taste to consider these things.

If 5% of the population thought about these things on a once a week basis I would be very f***ing surprised.

The numbers that Labour, Conservative And Lib Dem’s poll at election times proves that everyone of those people voting don’t think about it for one second.

I probably agree mate which is tragic frankly.

Though I disagree with you about voting for the establishment parties simply because I think it's futile to expect to be able to break the two party system. I think trumps political journey is a very good example of how to go about changing things. Play the system, don't try and break it.

[WILF 51,724]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

I probably agree mate which is tragic frankly.

Though I disagree with you about voting for the establishment parties simply because I think it's futile to expect to be able to break the two party system. I think trumps political journey is a very good example of how to go about changing things. Play the system, don't try and break it.

But I then go back to, if there isn’t a “Trump” type figure to vote for why are you bothering?

Voting for the same people is not playing the system really mate, it’s just asking for more of the same.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

20 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Not that I'm trying to silence you. I honestly think the only solution is to expose these things and have the discussions and arguments at grass roots level. So bravo! If people understand and believe in the rights and principles that are so symbiotic to democracy then 'we' might just start believing in them again and so demand they are protected while it is still possible peacefully.

Never thought that for a minute, mate. We're just a small corner, of a small corner, of a small forum, on a big internet.

Watching the whole transition from demanding that our rights are respected to being called paranoid for pointing out that you don't have legal protection, in a little under 20 years, is a strange and baffling journey. Watching people demand certain rights and then casually discard other equally important rights is quite the head scratcher!

 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

4 minutes ago, WILF said:

Voting for the same people is not playing the system really mate, it’s just asking for more of the same.

That's the kicker though, isn't it? If you don't participate you cement the legacy of the unqualified and make them completely unaccountable.

[Born Hunter 17,975]

Just now, WILF said:

But I then go back to, if there isn’t a “Trump” type figure to vote for why are you bothering?

Voting for the same people is not playing the system really mate, it’s just asking for more of the same.

There will always be a radical if the people want it. Which is why the first step has to be grass roots, on the street spreading your 'radicalism', using your freedom of speech to spread an idea and challenge the status quo. We're not really doing that, because it's all too comfortable at the moment for the most part. Brexit is a good example though. UKIP could never offer us a GE victory, but through such grass roots politics we forced a establishment party to change! 

One step at a time.

You'll not break the two party system mate, you just won't. Its designed not to be. GE day for me is about playing for the pennies, its too late for the pounds by then unless we have done our work leading up to that.

[WILF 51,724]

1 minute ago, ChrisJones said:

That's the kicker though, isn't it? If you don't participate you cement the legacy of the unqualified and make them completely unaccountable.

True mate, but I just can’t bring myself to bother any more......they have broken me.

An example is my old area, it’s a fairly small town (well two towns linked together really) of around 67,000 people.....it has a Facebook page/group of 17000 members (yes 17 thousand!)

Everyday the local crimes are all over it, from murder to theft, Home invasion, mugging etc etc and the police have stated as policy that they will no longer attends house break ins or such like...it’s comminly talked about how the area has gone down the khazi in the last 15-20 years........and yet, come election time it will be Tory, Labour and ex UKIP that are returned to power in the council.

The very same people that came up with this big plan that has been the death of the place!

So that will be at least 17 thousand that see this stuff, talk about it and STILL vote the same.....what can you do against that? 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

3 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

You'll not break the two party system mate, you just won't.

I think it's possible but we're back to the 'P' word. Participation.

Getting out once every 5 years for a GE is too little, too late like you say. Change needs to come at the local level and target local representatives.

You look at the system we have over here all the great national victories started at the city level and worked up to the county, state, and then federal. The Clean Water Act in the US was one that went through the chain and when Nixon vetoed it the act it was overridden by Congress due to the public shift in opinion.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

4 minutes ago, WILF said:

True mate, but I just can’t bring myself to bother any more......they have broken me.

That's fair enough, mate. I was put in a position where I literally couldn't afford to play anymore. The straw that broke the camel's back, for me, was being granted a mortgage only to find that I'd have to permanently relocate and quit my job and start over. I figured if that was the case I might as well start over somewhere where I at least have a chance on my own merits.

Incidentally, our local town committee just voted on a zoning issue. The decided, unanimously, that there will be no more building plots issued and no land will be zoned for commercial or industrial usage. Our small hamlet isn't allowed to grow because the people that live here like it that way. That's why I vote.

[WILF 51,724]

A fairly similar situation really mate, I’d have just been a slave to the man and it would have been worse for the kids if I had stayed (and that’s in an area with declining quality of life and rising house prices)......a no brainer really.

I was watching the movie “Downfall” the other night and Hitler has a line in that:

One of his generals says “what about the civilians”

and Hitler replies along the lines of:

”If they have not had the courage to win then they deserve to die”

Pretty much how I feel about the population of Britain really.......except I don’t actually think they should die of course ! Lol

Edited April 2, 2018 by WILF

[ChrisJones 7,975]

3 minutes ago, WILF said:

A fairly similar situation really mate, I’d have just been a slave to the man and it would have been worse for the kids if I had stayed (and that’s in an area with declining quality of life and rising house prices)......a no brainer really.

Totally understandable and a sentiment shared by many ex-pats I imagine. Doesn't help when you read these kinds of headlines either. That's a headline that no city wants.

4 minutes ago, WILF said:

I was watching the movie “Downfall” the other night

Totally off topic but I watch Downfall memes to give a bit of a lift!

[scothunter 12,609]

42 minutes ago, WILF said:

A fairly similar situation really mate, I’d have just been a slave to the man and it would have been worse for the kids if I had stayed (and that’s in an area with declining quality of life and rising house prices)......a no brainer really.

I was watching the movie “Downfall” the other night and Hitler has a line in that:

One of his generals says “what about the civilians”

and Hitler replies along the lines of:

”If they have not had the courage to win then they deserve to die”

Pretty much how I feel about the population of Britain really.......except I don’t actually think they should die of course ! Lol

Fegeleine fegeleine fegeleine! 

 

[scothunter 12,609]

The line Goebbels said stuck with me when the Russians were in Berlin.

When general mohnke complained civilians had no weapons or training to fight.

" They chose there destiny no one forced them to elect us and now there little throats are being cut"!