Weapon? Or Intent?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

1 minute ago, baker boy said:

Are all knives illegal to carry

That's the bit I'm not sure about. I've not been to Blighty for a few years but I hear 'arbitrary blade length' and 'legitimate reason' bandied around a lot. It just seems absurd in a lot of cases. I've carried a knife around since my early teens but one day, it appears, I became a criminal...

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Just now, baker boy said:

Im not on about carrying a knife about on a Saturday night in case it kicks off, if Im legally carrying a knife and get attacked and use it for self defence that would make me exempt from the 5 yrs for injuring or attempting I mentioned earlier.

People carry and use knives because theres barely a deterrent not to

I understand that but I'm not sure how intentionally carrying a knife for a legitimate purpose and then using it for self-defence would stand up in court. I'm sure some greasy prosecutor is going to try and spin it that you'd gone looking for trouble.

I carry a knife because it comes in handy to have a cutting edge from time to time. I don't know what constitutes a legitimate reason but if I'm not causing anyone any harm what difference does it make?

[neil cooney 10,416]

Is the law over there that folding blades up to 3 or 4 inches (I forget which) are legal if you have a genuine reason to carry it. I'm not sure what the law is here but I once asked a policeman what would happen if a Gard stopped me with a knife. He said most would see if you had a good reason to have it on you straight away.

In saying that, I once walked around Tescos with a 3 inch knife on my belt I'd forgotten to take off. Most good countrymen IMO would feel naked without at least a penknife in their pocket. I use mine every day.

[mushroom 14,109]

Said it before on here.... I've shit a copper up proper with a machete once... fell out of my car from behind the drivers seat.... ? How the fuuck I got away with that one I've no idea.

Been stopped carrying a gun and 6" blade before now, on way to perm and not a thing said. 

As for carrying without reason.. well let's face it: a box knife can cause as much harm as a Rambo knife and you don't want any prick carrying either tbh. Fact is, it should be based on intent and the person's previous, for possible intention. Ergo carrying a knife illegally !

[ChrisJones 7,975]

2 minutes ago, neil cooney said:

In saying that, I once walked around Tescos with a 3 inch knife on my belt I'd forgotten to take off. Most good countrymen IMO would feel naked without at least a penknife in their pocket. I use mine every day.

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I've done the same in the local Wal-Mart. Open carrying a firearm as well. No one bats an eyelid because everyone is doing it. Crime is practically zero so another notch for intent?

[walshie 2,804]

A knife with non-locking blade of 3" or under is legal. You don't need a reason to carry it. you might use it for peeling apples or cleaning out your pipe. It makes it awkward for people who are say carrying a mora knife with them because they are on their way out fishing or shooting, but I guess if they are going to make a law, then they have to have specifics like length etc.

Back to that 10" "survival knife" I don't see there can be any reason to carry that anywhere. It wouldn't be good for gralloching, skinning, gutting fish or anything other than trying to look like rambo. To me at least, carrying something like that is like carrying a cricket bat down the high street, but with nails hammered through it.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

12 minutes ago, walshie said:

A knife with non-locking blade of 3" or under is legal. You don't need a reason to carry it. you might use it for peeling apples or cleaning out your pipe. It makes it awkward for people who are say carrying a mora knife with them because they are on their way out fishing or shooting, but I guess if they are going to make a law, then they have to have specifics like length etc.

Back to that 10" "survival knife" I don't see there can be any reason to carry that anywhere. It wouldn't be good for gralloching, skinning, gutting fish or anything other than trying to look like rambo. To me at least, carrying something like that is like carrying a cricket bat down the high street, but with nails hammered through it.

Makes more sense but I'm one of the Mora carriers also!

It's not like I'm going to cause any trouble with it though. It just seems that there was a point in recent history where a rule was made that simply criminalised a legitimate activity for no other reason than because... I accept that it's an attempt to cut crime but it only seems to work in name and even then it seems pretty daft on appearance. It didn't seem to prevent anything here.

Edited November 28, 2017 by ChrisJones

[walshie 2,804]

26 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Makes more sense but I'm one of the Mora carriers also!

It's not like I'm going to cause any trouble with it though. It just seems that there was a point in recent history where a rule was made that simply criminalised a legitimate activity for no other reason than because... I accept that it's an attempt to cut crime but it only seems to work in name and even then it seems pretty daft on appearance. It didn't seem to prevent anything here.

Agreed. I normally carry a fixed blade if I'm off out shooting and it's a drag to have to take it off to go into Tescos, but then I'm a law-abiding citizen whether I agree with the law or not. If I'm not going shooting or fishing, then I carry a swiss army knife. IMO the "legal" knives you are allowed to carry are capable of doing most things you are likely to encounter in an urban environment, so carrying a massive blade can't be a necessity. I would hazard a guess that most people with a big knife in public aren't carrying it for picking stones out of horse's hooves (although I have an attachment for that on my S.A.K.  ) Unfortunately the idiots have spoiled it for the genuine guys.

I'd hate to be a kid these days. In my day you could get in a scrap and get a few bumps and bruises but now you're likely to get stuck with a knife.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

5 minutes ago, walshie said:

Agreed. I normally carry a fixed blade if I'm off out shooting and it's a drag to have to take it off to go into Tescos, but then I'm a law-abiding citizen whether I agree with the law or not. If I'm not going shooting or fishing, then I carry a swiss army knife. IMO the "legal" knives you are allowed to carry are capable of doing most things you are likely to encounter in an urban environment, so carrying a massive blade can't be a necessity. I would hazard a guess that most people with a big knife in public aren't carrying it for picking stones out of horse's hooves (although I have an attachment for that on my S.A.K.  ) Unfortunately the idiots have spoiled it for the genuine guys.

I'd hate to be a kid these days. In my day you could get in a scrap and get a few bumps and bruises but now you're likely to get stuck with a knife.

[mackem 29,578]

2 hours ago, WILF said:

 got hit on the head with a plasterers whisk and died.

Cobham services?

[lurcherman 887 13,437]

Quhey saunders 

[leegreen 2,250]

4 hours ago, ChrisJones said:

That's the bit I'm not sure about. I've not been to Blighty for a few years but I hear 'arbitrary blade length' and 'legitimate reason' bandied around a lot. It just seems absurd in a lot of cases. I've carried a knife around since my early teens but one day, it appears, I became a criminal...

Standard carry is a sub 3" non locking folder, summit like a Swiss Army Knife.

The Criminal Justice Act (1988) says that you may carry a knife with a blade length of 3.0" or less so long as it is capable of folding and does not lock -  so no fixed blade knives as an EDC!! This is for your “Every Day Carry” (commonly referred to as an EDC) or Pocket/Pen knife.

I think for hunting the possibilities are lots. 

If you wish or need to carry a larger knife then you really need to have “Reasonable Cause”. That means that you must be able to prove that you had a genuine reason for carrying the knife. A “Reasonable Cause” can constitute a whole host of scenarios such as:

• You may carry a larger bladed tool if it is associated with your work, for example, a Butcher or Chef may carry his knives to work. A builder or electrician has great need of a Stanley type knife for daily use.
• If it is associated with your sport, for example a fisherman may carry a larger knife for filleting, cutting line etc., "a hunter may carry a  fixed blade hunting knife of almost any size", if you are camping you may need a larger tool for any manner of tasks"

[Blackbriar 8,569]

Intent !

Gun, knife, acid, hired van, Biro refilll.....inanimate objects can't do 5hit !

My mother in law detest my shotgun ownership, on the ground that "guns kill people". 

One day, when I was said of hearing her wittering, I opened my cabinet, took out a SxS 12 bore and stood it in the corner of the living room. She queried my point, so I told her "That can stand there for ever more, until the day it rusts into ground - it's not dangerous until someone picks it up , with the aim of doing harm !"

 

The defence resets it's case.........

 

 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

On 11/28/2017 at 16:58, leegreen said:

Standard carry is a sub 3" non locking folder, summit like a Swiss Army Knife.

The Criminal Justice Act (1988) says that you may carry a knife with a blade length of 3.0" or less so long as it is capable of folding and does not lock -  so no fixed blade knives as an EDC!! This is for your “Every Day Carry” (commonly referred to as an EDC) or Pocket/Pen knife.

I think for hunting the possibilities are lots. 

If you wish or need to carry a larger knife then you really need to have “Reasonable Cause”. That means that you must be able to prove that you had a genuine reason for carrying the knife. A “Reasonable Cause” can constitute a whole host of scenarios such as:

• You may carry a larger bladed tool if it is associated with your work, for example, a Butcher or Chef may carry his knives to work. A builder or electrician has great need of a Stanley type knife for daily use.
• If it is associated with your sport, for example a fisherman may carry a larger knife for filleting, cutting line etc., "a hunter may carry a  fixed blade hunting knife of almost any size", if you are camping you may need a larger tool for any manner of tasks"

Thanks for that. It's absurd that something like this is against regulations...

 

Edited December 6, 2017 by ChrisJones