Onlyworkmatters 1,584 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 See you won't get me at it because actually I happen to beleive that we have no business in the Muslim world and the Muslim world has no business here. We would all get on a lot better if we stayed in our parts of the world. Admirable sentiment but oil rather complicates things, doesn't it? You can't very well have arrangements like a few years ago when the Americans and Saudis dropped production to raise the price of oil in an effort to starve the Russians out if you haven't installed compliant despots in countries that were developing self-deterministic democracies in their own right before oil was found. So for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat 50 years of democracy wiped out and the stage set for the revolution of 1981 simply because the Iranians wanted a fair price for their national resources. Take a look at Syria, if you were Saudi Arabia and wanted to build a pipeline, where would you build it that doesn't involve running across Israel? This is not the point however. The point is this idea that 1.6 billion Muslims share a fundamental identity that compels them to conquer the world whilst claiming benefits is a bit silly in that it's completely untenable. who the feck are you, or should I say were you? Mr flashheart is an airgun bbs member 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Lord Flashheart 73 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 See you won't get me at it because actually I happen to beleive that we have no business in the Muslim world and the Muslim world has no business here. We would all get on a lot better if we stayed in our parts of the world. Admirable sentiment but oil rather complicates things, doesn't it? You can't very well have arrangements like a few years ago when the Americans and Saudis dropped production to raise the price of oil in an effort to starve the Russians out if you haven't installed compliant despots in countries that were developing self-deterministic democracies in their own right before oil was found. So for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat 50 years of democracy wiped out and the stage set for the revolution of 1981 simply because the Iranians wanted a fair price for their national resources. Take a look at Syria, if you were Saudi Arabia and wanted to build a pipeline, where would you build it that doesn't involve running across Israel? This is not the point however. The point is this idea that 1.6 billion Muslims share a fundamental identity that compels them to conquer the world whilst claiming benefits is a bit silly in that it's completely untenable. Iraq? Could never quite get on board with the "they want to invade Syria for a pipeline" thinking for that reason. PS, who the feck are you, or should I say were you? I'm racking my brain but can't quite put my finger on it. Because Syria is inbetween Iraq and Turkey. It's the best route for a pipeline from the producers to the second largest market. Pelase don't put your finger on it, I know I was sent to Catholic prep school but managed to avoid that sort of thing by grace of some other god than that of Abraham... It might be the best route but Iraq still has a significant land border with Turkey and in fact was considered a viable alternative I believe. Bearing in mind the pipeline was to run from Qatar it doesn't seem a significant enough detour to warrant invasion. It's really neither here nor there in this instance, I agree with you generally. The West has interests in the ME and so we/they play the game of politics there. There's no simple way of separating us. Aye, but you can't build something as permanent and vulnerable as a pipeline without regional hegemony. Otherwise I agree, WTF is the need... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Lord Flashheart 73 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) See you won't get me at it because actually I happen to beleive that we have no business in the Muslim world and the Muslim world has no business here. We would all get on a lot better if we stayed in our parts of the world. Admirable sentiment but oil rather complicates things, doesn't it? You can't very well have arrangements like a few years ago when the Americans and Saudis dropped production to raise the price of oil in an effort to starve the Russians out if you haven't installed compliant despots in countries that were developing self-deterministic democracies in their own right before oil was found. So for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat 50 years of democracy wiped out and the stage set for the revolution of 1981 simply because the Iranians wanted a fair price for their national resources. Take a look at Syria, if you were Saudi Arabia and wanted to build a pipeline, where would you build it that doesn't involve running across Israel? This is not the point however. The point is this idea that 1.6 billion Muslims share a fundamental identity that compels them to conquer the world whilst claiming benefits is a bit silly in that it's completely untenable. who the feck are you, or should I say were you? Mr flashheart is an airgun bbs member Yup as it appears are you. You weren't a member of that brave Knights Templar association, the "Patriotic Geniuses" are you... And it's the Lord Flashheart. Edited April 11, 2017 by The Lord Flashheart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Lord Flashheart 73 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 There is violence in the Middle East for a number of reasons which can, imho, be simplified in a short phrase......we keep poking our nose into a culture which we dont fully understand ( be that for oil or whatever) We have no business amongst those people and ,again imho, they have no business amongst us. See, I don't really give a f**k if Assad or Saddam wants to gas his own people, don't affect me one bit but I do care if those people then start blowing up tube trains in London We should just keep our nose out, then there is no reason for the Muslim world to be offended and if none of thems in Europe then we only have our own shit to deal with. Whilst I agree with the general thrust of the argument you don't appear to understand that all those Nissan Sunnies need filling. You have to think of practical solutions, fantasy is what got us here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Lord Flashheart 73 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 One thing I will say, if the Muslim world is so pissed off about how we meddle in their affairs over oil why do pakis own all the f***ing petrol stations? Because they own all the Nissan Sunnies? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 See you won't get me at it because actually I happen to beleive that we have no business in the Muslim world and the Muslim world has no business here. We would all get on a lot better if we stayed in our parts of the world. Admirable sentiment but oil rather complicates things, doesn't it? You can't very well have arrangements like a few years ago when the Americans and Saudis dropped production to raise the price of oil in an effort to starve the Russians out if you haven't installed compliant despots in countries that were developing self-deterministic democracies in their own right before oil was found. So for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat 50 years of democracy wiped out and the stage set for the revolution of 1981 simply because the Iranians wanted a fair price for their national resources. Take a look at Syria, if you were Saudi Arabia and wanted to build a pipeline, where would you build it that doesn't involve running across Israel? This is not the point however. The point is this idea that 1.6 billion Muslims share a fundamental identity that compels them to conquer the world whilst claiming benefits is a bit silly in that it's completely untenable. who the feck are you, or should I say were you? Mr flashheart is an airgun bbs member A banned one at that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 See you won't get me at it because actually I happen to beleive that we have no business in the Muslim world and the Muslim world has no business here. We would all get on a lot better if we stayed in our parts of the world. Admirable sentiment but oil rather complicates things, doesn't it? You can't very well have arrangements like a few years ago when the Americans and Saudis dropped production to raise the price of oil in an effort to starve the Russians out if you haven't installed compliant despots in countries that were developing self-deterministic democracies in their own right before oil was found. So for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état 50 years of democracy wiped out and the stage set for the revolution of 1981 simply because the Iranians wanted a fair price for their national resources. Take a look at Syria, if you were Saudi Arabia and wanted to build a pipeline, where would you build it that doesn't involve running across Israel? This is not the point however. The point is this idea that 1.6 billion Muslims share a fundamental identity that compels them to conquer the world whilst claiming benefits is a bit silly in that it's completely untenable. who the feck are you, or should I say were you? Mr flashheart is an airgun bbs member A banned one at that. Ooooh......Banned & balanced views? Smoke him out!!! Haha.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Lord Flashheart 73 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) See you won't get me at it because actually I happen to beleive that we have no business in the Muslim world and the Muslim world has no business here. We would all get on a lot better if we stayed in our parts of the world. Admirable sentiment but oil rather complicates things, doesn't it? You can't very well have arrangements like a few years ago when the Americans and Saudis dropped production to raise the price of oil in an effort to starve the Russians out if you haven't installed compliant despots in countries that were developing self-deterministic democracies in their own right before oil was found. So for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat 50 years of democracy wiped out and the stage set for the revolution of 1981 simply because the Iranians wanted a fair price for their national resources. Take a look at Syria, if you were Saudi Arabia and wanted to build a pipeline, where would you build it that doesn't involve running across Israel? This is not the point however. The point is this idea that 1.6 billion Muslims share a fundamental identity that compels them to conquer the world whilst claiming benefits is a bit silly in that it's completely untenable. who the feck are you, or should I say were you? Mr flashheart is an airgun bbs member A banned one at that. Yes, for about another two weeks. But judging by the standard of the insults you allow on this board It's not going to happen here. Edited April 11, 2017 by The Lord Flashheart 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 See you won't get me at it because actually I happen to beleive that we have no business in the Muslim world and the Muslim world has no business here. We would all get on a lot better if we stayed in our parts of the world. Admirable sentiment but oil rather complicates things, doesn't it? You can't very well have arrangements like a few years ago when the Americans and Saudis dropped production to raise the price of oil in an effort to starve the Russians out if you haven't installed compliant despots in countries that were developing self-deterministic democracies in their own right before oil was found. So for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat 50 years of democracy wiped out and the stage set for the revolution of 1981 simply because the Iranians wanted a fair price for their national resources. Take a look at Syria, if you were Saudi Arabia and wanted to build a pipeline, where would you build it that doesn't involve running across Israel? This is not the point however. The point is this idea that 1.6 billion Muslims share a fundamental identity that compels them to conquer the world whilst claiming benefits is a bit silly in that it's completely untenable. who the feck are you, or should I say were you? Mr flashheart is an airgun bbs member A banned one at that. Yes, for about another two weeks. But judging by the standard of the insults you allow on this board It's not going to happen here. If you don't like the forum or the way it's moderated, go elsewhere. Trying to act the wordsmith won't cut it here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,098 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 There is violence in the Middle East for a number of reasons which can, imho, be simplified in a short phrase......we keep poking our nose into a culture which we dont fully understand ( be that for oil or whatever) We have no business amongst those people and ,again imho, they have no business amongst us. See, I don't really give a f**k if Assad or Saddam wants to gas his own people, don't affect me one bit but I do care if those people then start blowing up tube trains in London We should just keep our nose out, then there is no reason for the Muslim world to be offended and if none of thems in Europe then we only have our own shit to deal with. Whilst I agree with the general thrust of the argument you don't appear to understand that all those Nissan Sunnies need filling. You have to think of practical solutions, fantasy is what got us here. Greed is what got us here, plain and simple. And I personally thought that the "you all f**k off, we all f**k off" was a pretty practical way of thinking? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Lord Flashheart 73 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 See you won't get me at it because actually I happen to beleive that we have no business in the Muslim world and the Muslim world has no business here. We would all get on a lot better if we stayed in our parts of the world. Admirable sentiment but oil rather complicates things, doesn't it? You can't very well have arrangements like a few years ago when the Americans and Saudis dropped production to raise the price of oil in an effort to starve the Russians out if you haven't installed compliant despots in countries that were developing self-deterministic democracies in their own right before oil was found. So for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état 50 years of democracy wiped out and the stage set for the revolution of 1981 simply because the Iranians wanted a fair price for their national resources. Take a look at Syria, if you were Saudi Arabia and wanted to build a pipeline, where would you build it that doesn't involve running across Israel? This is not the point however. The point is this idea that 1.6 billion Muslims share a fundamental identity that compels them to conquer the world whilst claiming benefits is a bit silly in that it's completely untenable. who the feck are you, or should I say were you? Mr flashheart is an airgun bbs member A banned one at that. Yes, for about another two weeks. But judging by the standard of the insults you allow on this board It's not going to happen here. If you don't like the forum or the way it's moderated, go elsewhere. Trying to act the wordsmith won't cut it here. Who said I didn't like the forum or the way it's moderated? I like freedom from political correctness very much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,098 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 It's a bit like when some pissed up 20 something is trying to get in a night club and the doorman says "no, f**k off".......now I'm sure there are all sorts of clever and complicated reason why he should or should not be allowed in but actually "f**k off" is simpler, easier and less dangerous for everyone involved ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,485 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 If theres one thing the last few pages of this topic proves its that basic man on the street common sense thinking ( Wilfs ) still holds far more weight than intellectual ethnically diverse ponces ( Flashbollocks )............and long may it continue to do so ! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Lord Flashheart 73 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Sorry but have I contravened a forum rule or something? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Lord Flashheart 73 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 If theres one thing the last few pages of this topic proves its that basic man on the street common sense thinking ( Wilfs ) still holds far more weight than intellectual ethnically diverse ponces ( Flashbollocks )............and long may it continue to do so ! My dear fellow, if that were the case then some sort of non-faith based counter arguments would be presented in the name of common sense if not Jesus? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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