Your Favorite Working Terrier Past Or Present..

[foxdropper 17,092]

Your words strike an accord with me mate .Was refused the services of a gifted dog years ago,a dog i gifted freely that is ,cheeky c**t .That dog strangely found its way to a mates kennel near me .The homing insticts are very strong it appears .Dog went on to create a line for another good mate of mine .

Of dogs past owned by others a few stand out ,Minor owned by JW ,a slow starter i would of culled tbh but went on to see a lot of work ,black rough coated bred by BW

Spud a dog from DW owned by my arch enemy locally ,a lad i cant stand but had some good dogs just never knew how to work them .

Creel ,a russel x bull type owned by a lad near Gloucester now deceased RIP ,one of the best lads on a graft i had the pleasure of digging with .

Woody a perfect specimen in looks and work owned by my old digging partner and sadly never used because he carried the inherited blindness gene .

Regrets ,yes ive had a few ,but then again too few to mention .

[foxdropper 17,092]

Be very careful who you trust & call friends. I learned that lesson the hard way, have 2 digging buddies now who I can safely say I trust100%....someone asked what makes a true terrierman. For me it aint digging ability, stockmanship, knowledge or experience its Honesty,Loyalty & Trustworthynesss!

Yes but handy on the banjo is a plus too .Spade leaners no matter how honest ,get on my tits .

[Dead Eyes 680]

Id give anything to have this boy back. He was my best pal and turned into a good worker under a good Terrierman

 

 

[Supersid 566]

Vets spayed a lurcher bitch of mine during an emergency c section -without my consent -then gave me a bill for 1200 notes-I then told them I couldn't pay the bill (I had the coin in my back pocket lol)told them they could have 20 pound a month from me the cheeky cnuts-nothing they could do.they won't see another animal of mine in that practice so long as I got a hole in my arse.bunch of dirty f***ing parisites. I asked them why they deliver frenchie/bulldog pups and don't spay them after the op-but did my dog because it's a worker?couldn't even look me in the eye lol.lesson learnt most not all are proper pricks that only care about money not the welfare of the animals they treat imo.atb dc

Edited January 25, 2017 by Supersid

[lonespade 51]

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

[neil cooney 10,415]

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

 

Yes, the old saying is "Don't go to the Champion, go to the father of the Champion."

[Kaizer Sozĕ 266]

 

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

 

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

Yes, the old saying is "Don't go to the Champion, go to the father of the Champion."

Just to be devils advocate Neil. The father is a good all round dog, the son is Top Class. What if its the mother of the champion whos throwing the goods? By using the father you've bred off a good all round dog instead of using the top class son who contains the champion genes from his mother....

[Kaizer Sozĕ 266]

Often it is said the bitch is more important than the dog in throwing quality ..

[Dead Eyes 680]

 

 

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

 

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

Yes, the old saying is "Don't go to the Champion, go to the father of the Champion."

Just to be devils advocate Neil. The father is a good all round dog, the son is Top Class. What if its the mother of the champion whos throwing the goods? By using the father you've bred off a good all round dog instead of using the top class son who contains the champion genes from his mother....

You're both right really.

 

I don't think Bo produced a lot outside of the Jeep litter but Honeybunch certainly did

[tinytiger 822]

 

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

 

Yes, the old saying is "Don't go to the Champion, go to the father of the Champion."

 

i dont know Neil-look at coursing dogs-adios alonso responsible for nearly 1/4 of the field in clonmel next weekend-wouldnt take a free cover off his father(janey macaroo)

[neil cooney 10,415]

IMO if you take terrier breeding seriously BUT start thinking to deeply into theories you'll either end up in the loony bin or a chronic alcoholic. Although the second does help sometimes.

If a dog is put to a bitch and the litter is a success then you've found a click.

The same dog could cover other bitches and the results be bad, like wise vice versa with the bitch.

The old adage that it's the bitch that puts the gameness or ability into the pups IMO goes back to the days when lads thought that it was harder to get a good bitch than a good dog but in those days IMO lads made allowances for a bitch. Especially in the old Badger digging days lads would say a dog for the badgers and a bitch for foxes so IMO when a class bitch came along it was looked at a bit of a rarity.

To me it must be a good dog over a good bitch.

 

If you were to sit down and honestly write down or think about those terrier men who over the years have consistently bred good workers that have gone on to produce workers and so forth I think you'll see that the common denominator (no matter what the breed) is that the breeder has always worked with the same family. THIS IMO is a big bonus in breeding good terriers. You'll already have an edge when it comes to small things like a pups progress and entering and when to give one a rest etc. etc.

The man who's never happy and always swapping will IMO have only ever a fraction of the number of good workers than the man who's focused and knows his terriers inside out.

 

So to answer the OPs original question about what terrier would I bring back from the past ?

That's why I didn't answer. As a breeder of my own little family of terriers the one's I'm mostly concerned about is the ones who haven't been born yet.

And I never have favourites.

[Apache... 2,586]

I am off to the boozer....

[neil cooney 10,415]

 

 

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

 

Yes, the old saying is "Don't go to the Champion, go to the father of the Champion."

 

i dont know Neil-look at coursing dogs-adios alonso responsible for nearly 1/4 of the field in clonmel next weekend-wouldnt take a free cover off his father(janey macaroo)

 

So why would you think Adios Alonso's father wasn't a producer. He did after all produce the most popular stud in Ireland at the moment ?

But, another thing you could do is have a look at how many Adios Alonso's have been whelped ? How many then even make the field ?

 

JMHO, but every single opinion that anyone has on breeding is never a rule, it's an opinion and off course there's loads of exceptions.

It's a conversation I used to hate having with old timers because one of them would always tell you about the terrier that they had when they were young that could pull Badgers out of the deepest setts and it was a result of a Sheepdog crossed over a Jack Russell bitch. So what's the point in taking it seriously, ?LOL

 

Successful breeding IMO is all about consistency. The test of time.

[Kaizer Sozĕ 266]

I still standby my arguement concerning the bitch's input but completely agree with you regarding a 'click'. When you know the line & you've found a very successful pairing between a well bred dog & bitch then you maybe onto something. The proofs when different variations from here come through..JMO

[tinytiger 822]

 

 

 

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

 

Yes, the old saying is "Don't go to the Champion, go to the father of the Champion."

 

i dont know Neil-look at coursing dogs-adios alonso responsible for nearly 1/4 of the field in clonmel next weekend-wouldnt take a free cover off his father(janey macaroo)

 

So why would you think Adios Alonso's father wasn't a producer. He did after all produce the most popular stud in Ireland at the moment ?

But, another thing you could do is have a look at how many Adios Alonso's have been whelped ? How many then even make the field ?

 

JMHO, but every single opinion that anyone has on breeding is never a rule, it's an opinion and off course there's loads of exceptions.

It's a conversation I used to hate having with old timers because one of them would always tell you about the terrier that they had when they were young that could pull Badgers out of the deepest setts and it was a result of a Sheepdog crossed over a Jack Russell bitch. So what's the point in taking it seriously, ?LOL

 

Successful breeding IMO is all about consistency. The test of time.

 

i can think of 3 good dogs and a bitch by janey M(they were better than good)-there are probably more i cant think of...a fella i was working for had a pair by j.m out of a 3/4 sister to alonsos mother-ive seen calves faster...they repeated the mating that made alonso-i think 1 won a trial stake but was average enough in comparison to A.A...his litter sister threw timber house-the fastest ive ever seen by a considerable margin...theres a pair of interestingly bred runners going this weekend (96 derby winner tullamore x his great grandaughter)....a dog has 39 pairs of chromosomes-multiply 39 by itself 39 times and youd have the number of possible different genetic combinations(id say its at least 50 billion)-like trying to win the lotto twice..

 

.getting back to the topic ,id a pair of terriers when i was a child-tiny and tiger-at the time i thought i had the 2 best dogs in the world- i dont know what id make of them now though..they looked like mongrelly red fell types but were mainly "russell" bred.