Brexit

[Born Hunter 17,910]

 

 

It was very clear from the Leave camp that to leave meant leaving the single market and stopping free movement

 

That is what people voted for and that is what people want

There's a bit more involved than that though isn't there?

 

The Leave Camp were not in a position to promise anything, simply campaign. The referendum question said nothing of the single market or whatever, in fact I distinctly remember the options after leaving being very hazy. Boris himself was really dodgy in answering exactly what it meant for free movement. You voted for that, not everybody and I'm certain the close result would not have gone our way had it been a clear choice of a hard Brexit or none, more people would have been scared into the status quo.

 

People certainly did not vote for no negotiations!

I wouldent be surprised if they release plans for a super hard brexit so everyone freaks and freely give them the nod to water it right down .

 

 

I accepted before the referendum that it was going to be one of the hard options, dubious of all the Leavers that were harking on about how the Germans would force a special deal for us to save their own industry and every other rosy image of the future. I voted knowing that that was the probable future. But not everybody was the same as me and given only a small majority I'm in no position to tell the rest of the country it's my way or the highway. We need to figure this shit out and try to get this country back in one piece.

 

This is like wanting to buy a new car for the family and simply saying I want it to be red. If you want it that simple it can be that simple but you might find you end up with a shitty red Citroen when you could have had a new red Merc. Then the missus leaves you for her personal trainer and the kids die in a car crash!

[Nik_B 3,791]

Why wouldn't Germany force a deal so it can continue selling to us? We are it's 3rd biggest customer for it's manufactured goods after the US and France.

[Born Hunter 17,910]

There's plenty of countries without 'free trade deals', including the USA, Russia and China...that doesn't mean they can't trade with the EU.

 

The EU has to continue to trade with us or it's will implode within 1-2 years

 

So what? We're far more dependent on trade with the EU than any of them because of years of free trade and the proximity. Not to mention the fact that every fecker wants rid of tariff barriers where prosperous, including the countries you list. That doesn't mean that we would be Zimbabwe in the morning, I haven't said that, but it's worth trying for a better option than simply "see-ya".

 

Again, I come back to the fact that the referendum did not address the HOW simply the WHAT. That WHAT was leaving the EU.

[WILF 49,888]

 

See, not digging anyone out, but this is how they get you.....soft Brexit ?.......hard Brexit ?

None of those phrases were used in the lead up to the vote so why the f**k are we talking about them now?......they put it in your head, that's why !

It was an in/out vote......it's no more complicated than that and nor should it be.

They have been pulling our pants down for years by bullshitting that everything is "ever so complicated and we need to trust them to get the best deal".....f**k off with all that, just do as you are f***ing told and hurry up about it.

Don't beleive the hype !

 

How can you say that, Norway are out of the EU, would you be happy with us putting ourselves in their position? f**k NO!

 

There are a shit ton of options that would keep us out of the EU. We need the one that best suits us as a country, one that gives us the best economic prospects while at the same time addresses the political situation we are in.

 

We want out of the trade constraints of the single market so as to stimulate greater non-EU trade but surely want a favorable deal to maintain access to it?

 

We want Parliament to be sovereign and therefore control of our borders but would we not accept a deal perhaps where student visas are more easily granted in return for freer trade?

 

There's a lot to figure out and non of that was addressed by the referendum.

Mate, you know I respect your opinion and I have always known your are a well educated dude but I'm gonna say this again, for once it just dose not need to be that complicated.

 

It's the old chestnut, bullshit baffles brains and politicians are masters at it.......for once let's just do something raw and simple and hold these fuckers upto the light to see what they are really made of.

 

The best example I can think of about how we have been led to think that everything requires lots of big brains and long conversations when it's don't is the foreign office.........we used to run 2/3 of the planet with 23 people in the foreign office..........now we have about 20 thousand people in that same deparment and we run f**k all.

 

By letting them tell you they need to do this or that we are granting them too much wriggle room and that's how they will f**k people over make no mistake

[Accip74 7,112]

You can't be part of spiders web for 40 years & expect to just step out of it without one hell of a struggle.....

[Nik_B 3,791]

Tariffs are coming back by the looks of it I think 'free trade' is moot now

[Born Hunter 17,910]

Why wouldn't Germany force a deal so it can continue selling to us? We are it's 3rd biggest customer for it's manufactured goods after the US and France.

 

You're talking about these things like they're indisputable facts. Why.... Well maybe so they can f**k us.

 

Besides, we'd need to negotiate a deal and I thought you were against that?

[WILF 49,888]

You can't be part of spiders web for 40 years & expect to just step out of it without one hell of a struggle.....

Aye, but as I always say.....let's just have a f***ing go anyway

[Nik_B 3,791]

Awkward lol

 

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[Accip74 7,112]

 

You can't be part of spiders web for 40 years & expect to just step out of it without one hell of a struggle.....

Aye, but as I always say.....let's just have a f***ing go anyway

'Having a go' was the referendum result as far as I can see. That's where the electorates power ends & the bureaucrats begins.

It was never going to be as easy as just voting out.

 

That's not to say some peoples efforts won't be disingenuous.....

Edited December 8, 2016 by Accip74

[Nik_B 3,791]

 

Why wouldn't Germany force a deal so it can continue selling to us? We are it's 3rd biggest customer for it's manufactured goods after the US and France.

 

You're talking about these things like they're indisputable facts. Why.... Well maybe so they can f**k us.

 

Besides, we'd need to negotiate a deal and I thought you were against that?

 

 

I'm not against negotiating a trade deal I am against negotiating the terms of Brexit. Brexit must mean leaving the EU and everything that is associated especially EU regulation, free movement etc.

 

I am very much in favour of working and trading with European countries and yes that requires negotiations.

 

They can try to f**k us but since the Euro crisis never ended and they still very much at risk of a massive banking crisis they would have to be insane to try and screw us over, in fact that is the sort of thing that could, and has in the past, lead to war and no one in Europe or elsewhere wants that.

[Born Hunter 17,910]

 

Mate, you know I respect your opinion and I have always known your are a well educated dude but I'm gonna say this again, for once it just dose not need to be that complicated.

 

It's the old chestnut, bullshit baffles brains and politicians are masters at it.......for once let's just do something raw and simple and hold these fuckers upto the light to see what they are really made of.

 

The best example I can think of about how we have been led to think that everything requires lots of big brains and long conversations when it's don't is the foreign office.........we used to run 2/3 of the planet with 23 people in the foreign office..........now we have about 20 thousand people in that same deparment and we run f**k all.

 

By letting them tell you they need to do this or that we are granting them too much wriggle room and that's how they will f**k people over make no mistake

 

 

We've exchanged views on here long enough for respect to be implied but thank you anyway.

 

There's a lot I think I would agree with you on there but some I don't. You're a very black and white person whereas I've always been more many shades of gray. For example, despite my ponderings on it this referendum was very black and white for me, like you. But the fact that we had such a small majority and the lack of certainty for many working class folk for the future makes me extremely cautious of wanting brash moves, politics is one big game and this thing is far from set in stone.

 

All this shit only supports my belief in keeping as much power away from them as possible.

[Silversnake 1,099]

 

 

 

 

 

 

the eu ,,cameron gone, renzi gone, hollande going soon, poland pissing the eu off big time , oban pissing off the eu also , the eu have the dexit frogsit and swexit to think about , and last we have merkel yes merkel or mummi as her supporters call her " mummi will make it better " ffs you have plenty to answer for havnt your still a snake charming cnt , ,,,,,, and is wriggling to head off the right with a cap on migrants , ban the burkha, barriers lowered for deportation ,wanting to return certain refugees back to their homeland ,dual nationality rules changed, the list goes on , its to late mummi you fkd it win or loose , and all the wishy wasy gang will have to reap what they sow and unfortunately all those that didnt want it to happen will have to suffer , and shes still singing that show must go on the wanker

5 years ago that would have made me quite happy...now I want more....a lot more

 

What would make me really happy now is a full blown right wing revolution with street lynchings of politicians and liberals lol

 

Edit 'LOL' added just in case anyone's watching ha ha

Sadly the longer things go on as they are the more that kind of action will be required and when the thugs take over we will be back in the dark ages. Who said history repeats...

the last 20 years has shown that polite behavior and protests do nothing (half a million people marched to stop the hunting with dogs ban, it did nothing)....violence is the only solution.

 

The left and muslims are violent and always get their own way....the worm is turning

Pressure groups don't work,but the threat of Ukip gaining mass electoral support scared our establishment enough to give us an EU referendum.

 

If they keep pressing and gain some power then at least the 'patriotic working class' as Nuttal calls us will have representation and influence,it doesn't have to be Ukip,I have a feeling they'll go down hill soon and another patriotic movement will step up.

 

But violence isn't the order of the day..yet,mass support needs to come first and you don't get that (in a first world country) by being violent.

If you keep bringing in more refugees and they keep getting welfare to breed like rabbits mass support will be impossible and violent action or any type of action that much more difficult as well. Bring on the dark ages I say. British have survived before and then thrived in the aftermath. What is the alternative...

[Born Hunter 17,910]

 

 

Why wouldn't Germany force a deal so it can continue selling to us? We are it's 3rd biggest customer for it's manufactured goods after the US and France.

 

You're talking about these things like they're indisputable facts. Why.... Well maybe so they can f**k us.

 

Besides, we'd need to negotiate a deal and I thought you were against that?

 

 

I'm not against negotiating a trade deal I am against negotiating the terms of Brexit. Brexit must mean leaving the EU and everything that is associated especially EU regulation, free movement etc.

 

I am very much in favour of working and trading with European countries and yes that requires negotiations.

 

They can try to f**k us but since the Euro crisis never ended and they still very much at risk of a massive banking crisis they would have to be insane to try and screw us over, in fact that is the sort of thing that could, and has in the past, lead to war and no one in Europe or elsewhere wants that.

 

 

Negotiating post Brexit trade deals is part of negotiating Brexit. We don't just leave, immediately entering a isolated trade position while starting trade discussions. Everyone knew before the referendum that there would be 2 years of negotiations before entering our 'new position'. This process is obviously to ease the transition and give a bit of stability.

 

If we walk into the negotiations and say, "We're leaving, we accept no conditions and we want free trade" we'll get no where and no deal. I agree that there are lines that cannot be ceded ground on but there's movement possible and I'm willing to give May a chance for the sake of the country. Is that no the same position as Farage?

[Born Hunter 17,910]

Also mate, I've got absolutely no faith that the EU would not cut their nose off to spite us! Even if that risked their own demise through economic collapse or war. That's a good portion of the reason I wanted out.

 

They're f***ing tyrants!