WILF 49,938 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 The Catholic Church have abused children and covered it up in every country they're active in. Ireland obviously has a very shameful past in helping to cover up and being complicit in the abuse carried out by the Catholic Church, don't think anyone would deny that. Britain has had abuse scandals and cover ups involving the Church (CofE and Catholic), the entertainment industry, sport, care homes and even politicians, plus the grooming gangs being covered up by the police and local politicians. Can't disagree with much of that mate, although Britains problems in industry's or areas that give predators access to kids are probably no worse than anywhere else.......predators will naturally gravitate towards jobs that give them access and authority / power over those that they prey on. As for the church, I dont need to tell you the power it holds over people's lives in Ireland mate......it really has to be seen to be believed. You can understand well how easily these crimes were committed and allowed to go on. It's all f***ing terrible wherever it happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 The Catholic Church have abused children and covered it up in every country they're active in. Ireland obviously has a very shameful past in helping to cover up and being complicit in the abuse carried out by the Catholic Church, don't think anyone would deny that. Britain has had abuse scandals and cover ups involving the Church (CofE and Catholic), the entertainment industry, sport, care homes and even politicians, plus the grooming gangs being covered up by the police and local politicians. Can't disagree with much of that mate, although Britains problems in industry's or areas that give predators access to kids are probably no worse than anywhere else.......predators will naturally gravitate towards jobs that give them access and authority / power over those that they prey on. As for the church, I dont need to tell you the power it holds over people's lives in Ireland mate......it really has to be seen to be believed. You can understand well how easily these crimes were committed and allowed to go on. It's all f***ing terrible wherever it happens. The abuse by the church really is a special kind of evil, imagine as a young kid being abused by someone who the whole community saw as a paragon of virtue how confusing it would have been and how hard it must of been to speak out about that makes my fecking blood boil. Not just the sexual abuse either, look at what went on in the laundries, a seriously shameful period in our history. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waz 4,293 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) No,british culture doesnt have an ingrained paedo problem,the media are reporting a somali who claims to be 112 has just married a 17 year old kid,I dont think he is living in britain however,plenty of paedo cultures around,theres often adverts on TV asking for donations to stop africans marrying off their 12 year old daughters,as if £2'is going to override thousands of years of cultural practice,I dont think britain is that bad,at least the majority realise its abhorrent.So because Africa is worse in some instances it means Britain doesn't have a problem? Nope doesn't work like that, sorry. Britain having a problem doesn't mean every other country in the world doesn't. Where have I said it does? Didn't say you had. Just stating a fact. It's a global problem. I don't think GB is any worse than other countries. I'd agree that all countries have problems with child abuse to some degree but I can't think of any other Western nation that has paedophile rings being uncovered in so many institutions on all levels of society. Maybe that just means Britain is getting better at rooting them out than other countries, I sure hope that is the case. Why are you being specific to Britain. Why do you mention 'western' nation? As oppose to east north or south? What are your thoughts based on? have you researched them? Edited December 8, 2016 by Columbo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) No,british culture doesnt have an ingrained paedo problem,the media are reporting a somali who claims to be 112 has just married a 17 year old kid,I dont think he is living in britain however,plenty of paedo cultures around,theres often adverts on TV asking for donations to stop africans marrying off their 12 year old daughters,as if £2'is going to override thousands of years of cultural practice,I dont think britain is that bad,at least the majority realise its abhorrent.So because Africa is worse in some instances it means Britain doesn't have a problem? Nope doesn't work like that, sorry. Britain having a problem doesn't mean every other country in the world doesn't. Where have I said it does? Didn't say you had. Just stating a fact. It's a global problem. I don't think GB is any worse than other countries. I'd agree that all countries have problems with child abuse to some degree but I can't think of any other Western nation that has paedophile rings being uncovered in so many institutions on all levels of society. Maybe that just means Britain is getting better at rooting them out than other countries, I sure hope that is the case. Why are you being specific to Britain. Why do you mention 'western' nation? As oppose to east north or south? What are your thoughts based on? have you researched them? Because this is primarily a British forum and I made the thread in response to all the child abuse scandals coming out in the last few years. Western nation in this context isn't a geographical reference it's cultural. I think it's quite obvious what my thoughts are based on from the thread? The epidemic levels of child abuse in so many British institutions... Edited December 8, 2016 by BGD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waz 4,293 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 Ah ok thanks for replying, its a hard subject to read about and 10 pages of it is just 10 pages of pain when I think of the victims. When you say western nation and western culture, seems to be a lot of other cultures from elsewhere carrying out sexual abuse in Britain. More often than not the perpetraitors hiding behind some institution or other. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Onlyworkmatters 1,584 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 Britain could get rid of thousands of peados at a stroke, let them marry the kids like they do in islam, if you marry a 6 y.o your not a f***ing peado...sick b*****ds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waz 4,293 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 Britain could get rid of thousands of peados at a stroke, let them marry the kids like they do in islam, if you marry a 6 y.o your not a f***ing peado...sick b*****ds I think we need to look after the kids in the care system better, they are the vulnerable ones being preyed upon, victims of their circumstances gets them out of the frying pan and into the fire of the care system. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 The way kids in care have been repeatedly let down by the system is truly shameful from Saville to the grooming gangs they've been preyed upon with no one in authority seeming to give a shit about them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waz 4,293 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 probably because plenty in authority have had a hand in the abuse, or know thats its a better career move to look the other way, or told to for reasons of political correctness. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Onlyworkmatters 1,584 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 So we know theres a problem, whats the answer, castration, execution. I'd execute every last 1 of them 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,938 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 The way kids in care have been repeatedly let down by the system is truly shameful from Saville to the grooming gangs they've been preyed upon with no one in authority seeming to give a shit about them. It's interesting that you mention the care system mate, in my experience the vast majority of people in the care system share a common political ideology.......so, does that paticular ideology bare some responsibility for turning the other way ? Because to admit there is a problem in many circumstances would mean admitting the failings of their own policy's wouldn't it ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Astanley 11,634 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) Wilf. ,they will put up with child abusers ,despots ,tyrants ,war criminals and traitors as lo ng as they stay on message . Edited December 8, 2016 by Astanley 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 The way kids in care have been repeatedly let down by the system is truly shameful from Saville to the grooming gangs they've been preyed upon with no one in authority seeming to give a shit about them.It's interesting that you mention the care system mate, in my experience the vast majority of people in the care system share a common political ideology.......so, does that paticular ideology bare some responsibility for turning the other way ? Because to admit there is a problem in many circumstances would mean admitting the failings of their own policy's wouldn't it ? What ideology were they protecting when they turned the other way when Saville, various politicians and other paedophile rings were using care homes as their own personal child brothels? The problems with care homes and child abuse being covered up or ignored go way beyond the people working in them, it's the police and general public ignoring complaints from what they see as troublemakers from scummy families and the general attitudes towards kids in care and until they change we'll keep seeing these scandals being uncovered every few years. Nonces will always prey on the powerless and voiceless and you don't get much more powerless than kids in care. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,938 Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 The way kids in care have been repeatedly let down by the system is truly shameful from Saville to the grooming gangs they've been preyed upon with no one in authority seeming to give a shit about them.It's interesting that you mention the care system mate, in my experience the vast majority of people in the care system share a common political ideology.......so, does that paticular ideology bare some responsibility for turning the other way ?Because to admit there is a problem in many circumstances would mean admitting the failings of their own policy's wouldn't it ? What ideology were they protecting when they turned the other way when Saville, various politicians and other paedophile rings were using care homes as their own personal child brothels? The problems with care homes and child abuse being covered up or ignored go way beyond the people working in them, it's the police and general public ignoring complaints from what they see as troublemakers from scummy families and the general attitudes towards kids in care and until they change we'll keep seeing these scandals being uncovered every few years. Nonces will always prey on the powerless and voiceless and you don't get much more powerless than kids in care. Mate, I have to agree with Astanley on this ..........obviously it's been going for years so prior to the last 30 years it was probably just to protect the status quo and the same would go for the church in that regard. But getting back to the care sector, well let's just say there won't be too many members of UNISON voting Tory will there It's radio silence when it comes to anything that makes the "everything is OK to do and everyone is free to come here" generation 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 The way kids in care have been repeatedly let down by the system is truly shameful from Saville to the grooming gangs they've been preyed upon with no one in authority seeming to give a shit about them.It's interesting that you mention the care system mate, in my experience the vast majority of people in the care system share a common political ideology.......so, does that paticular ideology bare some responsibility for turning the other way ?Because to admit there is a problem in many circumstances would mean admitting the failings of their own policy's wouldn't it ? What ideology were they protecting when they turned the other way when Saville, various politicians and other paedophile rings were using care homes as their own personal child brothels?The problems with care homes and child abuse being covered up or ignored go way beyond the people working in them, it's the police and general public ignoring complaints from what they see as troublemakers from scummy families and the general attitudes towards kids in care and until they change we'll keep seeing these scandals being uncovered every few years. Nonces will always prey on the powerless and voiceless and you don't get much more powerless than kids in care. Mate, I have to agree with Astanley on this ..........obviously it's been going for years so prior to the last 30 years it was probably just to protect the status quo and the same would go for the church in that regard. But getting back to the care sector, well let's just say there won't be too many members of UNISON voting Tory will there It's radio silence when it comes to anything that makes the "everything is OK to do and everyone is free to come here" generation You do realise it was care workers (probably UNISON members too the scumbags!!) who had been trying to get the police to do something about the Rotherham grooming gangs for years don't you? It was inaction by the police (secret UNISON members?) and the council not the care workers, they pleaded with police to do something even compiled lists of the registration numbers of the cars picking the girls up and they did nothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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