DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 How the situation came about is irrelevant now - it's the current situation that has to be addressed..... You may disagree, but this is how I see it..... Assad won't step down - he knows what happened to Saddam and Gaddafi, once they lost power ! So, with the help of the Russians, hell stick it out, knowing he now has the upper hand. The Russians aim is pretty straightforward - to maintain their influence in a strategically important region of the Middle East. They can achieve this only by keeping Assad in power. If they can eliminate all the middle ground, the so called 'rebel group's, leaving just the Assad regime and Islamic State, it would be impossible for the West to intervene - to attack one side would be to assist the other. With Russian help, Assad could keep IS at bay AND remain in power. I think that, if any progress is to be made, the West (particularly the US), will have to drop their pre-condition that Assad steps down. The Russians will never agree to this (and Assad certainly won't !), and when all is said and done, maybe he is the least bad option ? In the world of international politics, there are no real alliances, only common interests..... The thing is, the people of Syria voted for Assad. They know that without him the country would be in a worse state being run by rebels. He is the lesser of two evils imo....Sometimes it takes a real man to do the dirty work. Evil or not these men who were/are (aside fuk kim) dictators kept/keep the masses in order without any outside influence Now a real man (Putin) is finally doing the dirty work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 How the situation came about is irrelevant now - it's the current situation that has to be addressed..... You may disagree, but this is how I see it..... Assad won't step down - he knows what happened to Saddam and Gaddafi, once they lost power ! So, with the help of the Russians, hell stick it out, knowing he now has the upper hand. The Russians aim is pretty straightforward - to maintain their influence in a strategically important region of the Middle East. They can achieve this only by keeping Assad in power. If they can eliminate all the middle ground, the so called 'rebel group's, leaving just the Assad regime and Islamic State, it would be impossible for the West to intervene - to attack one side would be to assist the other. With Russian help, Assad could keep IS at bay AND remain in power. I think that, if any progress is to be made, the West (particularly the US), will have to drop their pre-condition that Assad steps down. The Russians will never agree to this (and Assad certainly won't !), and when all is said and done, maybe he is the least bad option ? In the world of international politics, there are no real alliances, only common interests..... The thing is, the people of Syria voted for Assad. They know that without him the country would be in a worse state being run by rebels. He is the lesser of two evils imo.... How the situation came about is irrelevant now - it's the current situation that has to be addressed..... You may disagree, but this is how I see it..... Assad won't step down - he knows what happened to Saddam and Gaddafi, once they lost power ! So, with the help of the Russians, hell stick it out, knowing he now has the upper hand. The Russians aim is pretty straightforward - to maintain their influence in a strategically important region of the Middle East. They can achieve this only by keeping Assad in power. If they can eliminate all the middle ground, the so called 'rebel group's, leaving just the Assad regime and Islamic State, it would be impossible for the West to intervene - to attack one side would be to assist the other. With Russian help, Assad could keep IS at bay AND remain in power. I think that, if any progress is to be made, the West (particularly the US), will have to drop their pre-condition that Assad steps down. The Russians will never agree to this (and Assad certainly won't !), and when all is said and done, maybe he is the least bad option ? In the world of international politics, there are no real alliances, only common interests..... The thing is, the people of Syria voted for Assad. They know that without him the country would be in a worse state being run by rebels. He is the lesser of two evils imo.... They didn't vote for him, he took over the job from his father, he's a dictator. There was elections in 2014 but only in the areas loyal to Assad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) How the situation came about is irrelevant now - it's the current situation that has to be addressed..... You may disagree, but this is how I see it..... Assad won't step down - he knows what happened to Saddam and Gaddafi, once they lost power ! So, with the help of the Russians, hell stick it out, knowing he now has the upper hand. The Russians aim is pretty straightforward - to maintain their influence in a strategically important region of the Middle East. They can achieve this only by keeping Assad in power. If they can eliminate all the middle ground, the so called 'rebel group's, leaving just the Assad regime and Islamic State, it would be impossible for the West to intervene - to attack one side would be to assist the other. With Russian help, Assad could keep IS at bay AND remain in power. I think that, if any progress is to be made, the West (particularly the US), will have to drop their pre-condition that Assad steps down. The Russians will never agree to this (and Assad certainly won't !), and when all is said and done, maybe he is the least bad option ? In the world of international politics, there are no real alliances, only common interests..... The thing is, the people of Syria voted for Assad. They know that without him the country would be in a worse state being run by rebels. He is the lesser of two evils imo.... How the situation came about is irrelevant now - it's the current situation that has to be addressed..... You may disagree, but this is how I see it..... Assad won't step down - he knows what happened to Saddam and Gaddafi, once they lost power ! So, with the help of the Russians, hell stick it out, knowing he now has the upper hand. The Russians aim is pretty straightforward - to maintain their influence in a strategically important region of the Middle East. They can achieve this only by keeping Assad in power. If they can eliminate all the middle ground, the so called 'rebel group's, leaving just the Assad regime and Islamic State, it would be impossible for the West to intervene - to attack one side would be to assist the other. With Russian help, Assad could keep IS at bay AND remain in power. I think that, if any progress is to be made, the West (particularly the US), will have to drop their pre-condition that Assad steps down. The Russians will never agree to this (and Assad certainly won't !), and when all is said and done, maybe he is the least bad option ? In the world of international politics, there are no real alliances, only common interests..... The thing is, the people of Syria voted for Assad. They know that without him the country would be in a worse state being run by rebels. He is the lesser of two evils imo....They didn't vote for him, he took over the job from his father, he's a dictator.There was elections in 2014 but only in the areas loyal to Assad. Yes and under Assad is the only way the people of the Middle East can live in relative peace. Edited October 13, 2016 by DogFox123 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 How the situation came about is irrelevant now - it's the current situation that has to be addressed..... You may disagree, but this is how I see it..... Assad won't step down - he knows what happened to Saddam and Gaddafi, once they lost power ! So, with the help of the Russians, hell stick it out, knowing he now has the upper hand. The Russians aim is pretty straightforward - to maintain their influence in a strategically important region of the Middle East. They can achieve this only by keeping Assad in power. If they can eliminate all the middle ground, the so called 'rebel group's, leaving just the Assad regime and Islamic State, it would be impossible for the West to intervene - to attack one side would be to assist the other. With Russian help, Assad could keep IS at bay AND remain in power. I think that, if any progress is to be made, the West (particularly the US), will have to drop their pre-condition that Assad steps down. The Russians will never agree to this (and Assad certainly won't !), and when all is said and done, maybe he is the least bad option ? In the world of international politics, there are no real alliances, only common interests..... The thing is, the people of Syria voted for Assad. They know that without him the country would be in a worse state being run by rebels. He is the lesser of two evils imo.... How the situation came about is irrelevant now - it's the current situation that has to be addressed..... You may disagree, but this is how I see it..... Assad won't step down - he knows what happened to Saddam and Gaddafi, once they lost power ! So, with the help of the Russians, hell stick it out, knowing he now has the upper hand. The Russians aim is pretty straightforward - to maintain their influence in a strategically important region of the Middle East. They can achieve this only by keeping Assad in power. If they can eliminate all the middle ground, the so called 'rebel group's, leaving just the Assad regime and Islamic State, it would be impossible for the West to intervene - to attack one side would be to assist the other. With Russian help, Assad could keep IS at bay AND remain in power. I think that, if any progress is to be made, the West (particularly the US), will have to drop their pre-condition that Assad steps down. The Russians will never agree to this (and Assad certainly won't !), and when all is said and done, maybe he is the least bad option ? In the world of international politics, there are no real alliances, only common interests..... The thing is, the people of Syria voted for Assad. They know that without him the country would be in a worse state being run by rebels. He is the lesser of two evils imo....They didn't vote for him, he took over the job from his father, he's a dictator.There was elections in 2014 but only in the areas loyal to Assad. Yes and under a dictatorship is the only way the people of the Middle East can live in relative peace. That appears to be the case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 They're living under a dictatorship right now, not very peaceful is it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 They're living under a dictatorship right now, not very peaceful is it? All one sides fault then? I doubt the country would be any more peaceful if the government was overthrown do you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) I thought strongmen dictators were supposed to keep things peaceful? Surely Assad has totally failed in that role? Edited October 12, 2016 by BGD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) I thought strongmen dictators were supposed to keep things peaceful? Surely Assad has totally failed in that role?Well say a big thank you to Western powers that sell arms to countries that support these rebels...... I see Iraq is paradise since Saddam was toppled... Edited October 12, 2016 by DogFox123 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,032 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I don't give a f**k who does what, I just want them to stop splattering little innocent children's brains all over the pavement every day !! We made a monumental balls up of Libya and, completely undaunted, we have decides to do the same in Syria. Kids are f***ing dieing and we are arguing about what f***ing politician we like most !! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 4,007 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 It's a game to these people , the Americans slating Putin yet all over the Saudis like a rash $$$$$$$$$$$ , The British Cabinet doin as there told by the Americans . . Which is why they begged Obama to speak about Brexit , him threatening the people of this country stating we will be punished if we vote out . . hypocritical Fukcer . . Trump being hung drawn & quartered by the MSM because he doesn't suit the bankers / money men , whereas Hillary clinton is controlled by them for the $$$$ , the Middle East countries producing oil will always be a tug of war between the powers that be & the innocent people will suffer so whether you favour Putin / Assad , Americans / British we will constantly see horrific injustices , Saddam , Gadaffi where taking out & the countries are still as bad now if not worse so removing Assad will Guarentee absolutely nothing !! The above is just my observation , maybe I'm totally wrong . 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 It's a game to these people , the Americans slating Putin yet all over the Saudis like a rash $$$$$$$$$$$ , The British Cabinet doin as there told by the Americans . . Which is why they begged Obama to speak about Brexit , him threatening the people of this country stating we will be punished if we vote out . . hypocritical Fukcer . . Trump being hung drawn & quartered by the MSM because he doesn't suit the bankers / money men , whereas Hillary clinton is controlled by them for the $$$$ , the Middle East countries producing oil will always be a tug of war between the powers that be & the innocent people will suffer so whether you favour Putin / Assad , Americans / British we will constantly see horrific injustices , Saddam , Gadaffi where taking out & the countries are still as bad now if not worse so removing Assad will Guarentee absolutely nothing !! The above is just my observation , maybe I'm totally wrong . All that is true, and another plus is if you leave the dictators in charge then the rebels would have no need to attack us and put our own civilians and soldiers at risk. War against terrorism my arse, it's all for the £££££, our soldiers are unbeknown mercenaries for our governments. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I don't give a f**k who does what, I just want them to stop splattering little innocent children's brains all over the pavement every day !! We made a monumental balls up of Libya and, completely undaunted, we have decides to do the same in Syria. Kids are f***ing dieing and we are arguing about what f***ing politician we like most !! We didn't do too well in Iraq either, Bush and Blair are no better than Saddam and should be punished just the same.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I thought strongmen dictators were supposed to keep things peaceful? Surely Assad has totally failed in that role?Well say a big thank you to Western powers that sell arms to countries that support these rebels...... I see Iraq is paradise since Saddam was toppled... So it's a mess with a dictator and a mess without one. OK then but that's not what you were saying a couple of posts ago? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I thought strongmen dictators were supposed to keep things peaceful? Surely Assad has totally failed in that role?Well say a big thank you to Western powers that sell arms to countries that support these rebels...... I see Iraq is paradise since Saddam was toppled... So it's a mess with a dictator and a mess without one. OK then but that's not what you were saying a couple of posts ago? It's more of a mess without a dictator especially to us is it not? What's your solution then Winston? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I thought strongmen dictators were supposed to keep things peaceful? Surely Assad has totally failed in that role?Well say a big thank you to Western powers that sell arms to countries that support these rebels...... I see Iraq is paradise since Saddam was toppled... So it's a mess with a dictator and a mess without one. OK then but that's not what you were saying a couple of posts ago?It's more of a mess without a dictator especially to us is it not? What's your solution then Winston? We haven't seen Syria without a dictator so it's hard to say whether it would be more or less of a mess. It's a pretty fecking big mess with one though that we can all agree on. Never said I had the solution, I'm just asking questions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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