Goodbye Louis........

[gnasher16 31,346]

 

Gnash, my point being just because as Utd fans we have had a great run of it, doesn't mean we can expect or be entitled to it. The club is in a transitional time, plus the premiership is awash with money, more so than any other league, so just spending is not the key to success.

I wouldn't mind finishing 5th and winning the FA cup with a team I felt were really going to push on, but I think LVG has done this more with luck than judgement,

Again LVG has not spent well, £250m and most have not performed, only Martial looks like the real deal...

But also look at the top 4, who would have ever predicted that!!

I

 

Its not my club i dont know the reasons for success or failure im simply talking as a general fan of football......clubs find their general level over time be that Man Utd or Dagenham & Redbridge.....when that club falls below that level fans expectations dont fall with them so they are entitled to expect the level they are used to.......i dont buy into all this " transitional period " stuff it seems to of become a convenient excuse lately for " cant get it right "......big multi million pound companies dont intentionally have " down time " i think thats a cop out myself.

[TUFFTY 1,484]

All I did Tuffy was reverse Astans bait

And cast my own line of truth .

Iy wasn't bait max.

Your mouth must be sore max the amount of times you've been caught

[NEWKID 28,425]

 

Gnash, my point being just because as Utd fans we have had a great run of it, doesn't mean we can expect or be entitled to it. The club is in a transitional time, plus the premiership is awash with money, more so than any other league, so just spending is not the key to success.

I wouldn't mind finishing 5th and winning the FA cup with a team I felt were really going to push on, but I think LVG has done this more with luck than judgement,

Again LVG has not spent well, £250m and most have not performed, only Martial looks like the real deal...

But also look at the top 4, who would have ever predicted that!!

I

 

Its not my club i dont know the reasons for success or failure im simply talking as a general fan of football......clubs find their general level over time be that Man Utd or Dagenham & Redbridge.....when that club falls below that level fans expectations dont fall with them so they are entitled to expect the level they are used to.......i dont buy into all this " transitional period " stuff it seems to of become a convenient excuse lately for " cant get it right "......big multi million pound companies dont intentionally have " down time " i think thats a cop out myself.

I would say that when someone who has ran a business/football club from top to bottom for over 25 years finally retires the club/business will be in a transitional state. As a fan I was not naive enough to think in comes David Moyes and its business as usual, of course a club of Utds size expects or at least aims to finish in the top 4 the same as Sunderland expect a relegation battle.

Fergie won that last title with a way below par side, that shows how good he was, since there hasn't been anyone in to put the pieces together to challenge, despite the money spent.

Edited May 23, 2016 by NEWKID

[WILF 49,722]

Now that I agree with Kev, and that was really my point all along......IMHO to achieve what you have whilst in the process of a total rebuild is nothing short of brilliant to me.

A few seasons in your lifetime you may play for a team where all the bits come together and you win everything.......it only takes a career ending injury to a crucial player to make that team a shadow of it's former self.

 

That is football reality.......

[TUFFTY 1,484]

Caught

What the fook you on about.

Big clubs need to have won the top division is all iv said

Right or wrong

Astan revered to WH being a big club re posting about BSA

I just pointed out they wernt and are not a big club.

Forget about it max ffs

I even thought you had a tiny bit of intelligence to work than one out, but you obviously haven't.

[Astanley 11,631]

 

Caught

What the fook you on about.

Big clubs need to have won the top division is all iv said

Right or wrong

Astan revered to WH being a big club re posting about BSA

I just pointed out they wernt and are not a big club.

Forget about it max ffs

I even thought you had a tiny bit of intelligence to work than one out, but you obviously haven't.

That's what you get for over estimating someone's intelligence .

[TUFFTY 1,484]

 

 

Caught

What the fook you on about.

Big clubs need to have won the top division is all iv said

Right or wrong

Astan revered to WH being a big club re posting about BSA

I just pointed out they wernt and are not a big club.

Forget about it max ffs

I even thought you had a tiny bit of intelligence to work than one out, but you obviously haven't.

That's what you get for over estimating someone's intelligence .

Your 100% correct on that one stan

[keepdiggin 9,567]

Am I the only one who cringes when Sam Alladyce is referred to as BsA on here

[gnasher16 31,346]

 

I would say that when someone who has ran a business/football club from top to bottom for over 25 years finally retires the club/business will be in a transitional state. As a fan I was not naive enough to think in comes David Moyes and its business as usual, of course a club of Utds size expects or at least aims to finish in the top 4 the same as Sunderland expect a relegation battle.

Fergie won that last title with a way below par side, that shows how good he was, since there hasn't been anyone in to put the pieces together to challenge, despite the money spent.

 

So multi million pound sports companies cant see further than the end of their nose ?.......or this blip was planned in a way ?.....you see i remember Arsene Wenger coming out with all this transitional period stuff when they moved to the Emirates.......10 years later they have still only won 1 trophy yet before the old " transitional period " they were one of the most succesful clubs in English football.......so it could be said from a sporting point of view Arsenals planning has been a complete failure......i just dont believe multi million pound sports companies plan to fail.

[gnasher16 31,346]

Am I the only one who cringes when Sam Alladyce is referred to as BsA on here

Its cool and trendy to initial stuff.........bsa is mgr of sufc......whats the problem !

[NEWKID 28,425]

 

I would say that when someone who has ran a business/football club from top to bottom for over 25 years finally retires the club/business will be in a transitional state. As a fan I was not naive enough to think in comes David Moyes and its business as usual, of course a club of Utds size expects or at least aims to finish in the top 4 the same as Sunderland expect a relegation battle.

Fergie won that last title with a way below par side, that shows how good he was, since there hasn't been anyone in to put the pieces together to challenge, despite the money spent.

 

So multi million pound sports companies cant see further than the end of their nose ?.......or this blip was planned in a way ?.....you see i remember Arsene Wenger coming out with all this transitional period stuff when they moved to the Emirates.......10 years later they have still only won 1 trophy yet before the old " transitional period " they were one of the most succesful clubs in English football.......so it could be said from a sporting point of view Arsenals planning has been a complete failure......i just dont believe multi million pound sports companies plan to fail.

Of course they planned gnash, the board, Fergie, sir Bobby would all of sat and planned and plotted and felt that their best laid plans were the right ones.... But quite clearly they weren't (or maybe they were as finiishing 5th and an fa cup 3 years later ain't bad ??? Lol)...

Whoever came in was on a hiding to nothing, David notes took the brunt and LVG since has, it's a poison chalice maybe??

Future planning in any company is important even more so one that is judged weekly in the public domain, it doesn't mean you always get it right, and IMO they haven't

[NEWKID 28,425]

Now that I agree with Kev, and that was really my point all along......IMHO to achieve what you have whilst in the process of a total rebuild is nothing short of brilliant to me.

A few seasons in your lifetime you may play for a team where all the bits come together and you win everything.......it only takes a career ending injury to a crucial player to make that team a shadow of it's former self.

That is football reality.......

Lol... I know what you've been getting at mate..

 

You've won the cup and come 5th, now shut up and enjoy it!! Lol

[NEWKID 28,425]

Am I the only one who cringes when Sam Alladyce is referred to as BsA on here

 

It ain't so much the initials it's "b" for Big ( or is it boring??) which is annoying lol

[gnasher16 31,346]

it doesn't mean you always get it right, and IMO they haven't

 

Hence......you as a fan expect more ?........i think we are agreeing in a roundabout way i just cant quite work out how

[NEWKID 28,425]

 

it doesn't mean you always get it right, and IMO they haven't

 

Hence......you as a fan expect more ?........i think we are agreeing in a roundabout way i just cant quite work out how

I think we probably are mate, that's the thing with Internet debates, ain't as easy as face to face in the pub lol