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7 minutes ago, TOMO said:

You could be right maybe they all used PED..who knows ...but let's not forget most fighters cut weight to fight ....which I think should be outlawed..but that's another conversation...so if those guys that were fighting at cruiser weight were cutting 10...12 lb....means they were over 200lb naturally and were probably that in the ring on fight night...so being heavyweight wasn't out the question 

Could be mate for the ones cutting but its the muscle they have id say its a give away like bellew put weight on but wasn't all muscle compared to.say rjj moving from middle to.heavy paquiou David haye usyk but just what I think you've been around it alot more weights etc what's your opinion id say 90 percent at something even if its test at the higher levels which is allowed anyway 

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On 21/02/2026 at 11:07, mC HULL said:

? You can't be that naive lol 

Your telling me you think usyk or haye or  holyfield rjj etc just banged on 2 stone of muscle while still.doing cardio heavy at 30 ? 

Do men really think benn or firys a cheat or canelo but dont think usyk.or aj or itauma aint ? Lol

 

I don’t think I’m naive.., but then that’s what someone who’s naive would say 😳

I don’t believe all cheats get caught, but nor do I believe that means every fighter is cheating. Usyk fought Bellew at cruiser, and made weight at around 198lb. Fight day he’d likely been 210lb at least. When he fought Fury (by now well into his thirties) he was 226lb.., where obviously no cutting for weight was needed, so guessing he’d have fought around that. I don’t think that’s even suspect. 

The weight gain and obvious physical change in guys like Haye, Holyfield etc. was obvious, but weight and muscle mass can be gained without cheating…, but usually to the detriment of performance.., i.e. Haye lost a lot moving up, and came up well short in the end.
Fury got caught taking nandralone, not because he needed to get bigger but because he was in awe of AJ’s physique and had low self esteem. But he did get caught, and that to me is the crucial bit.

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12 minutes ago, pesky1972 said:

I don’t think I’m naive.., but then that’s what someone who’s naive would say 😳

I don’t believe all cheats get caught, but nor do I believe that means every fighter is cheating. Usyk fought Bellew at cruiser, and made weight at around 198lb. Fight day he’d likely been 210lb at least. When he fought Fury (by now well into his thirties) he was 226lb.., where obviously no cutting for weight was needed, so guessing he’d have fought around that. I don’t think that’s even suspect. 

The weight gain and obvious physical change in guys like Haye, Holyfield etc. was obvious, but weight and muscle mass can be gained without cheating…, but usually to the detriment of performance.., i.e. Haye lost a lot moving up, and came up well short in the end.
Fury got caught taking nandralone, not because he needed to get bigger but because he was in awe of AJ’s physique and had low self esteem. But he did get caught, and that to me is the crucial bit.

What i mean is you not putting a stone a stone and half of pure muscle on at 34 while swimming miles running sparring having quality cardio if your not mate its impossible I think 

Fury was taking nandrslone before aj was on the scene really klitschko times in his best shape id say 

Deca is used loads lads will.expalin what it does I think.its helping in recover muscle and joints 

 

They all.do.it mate I dont think.about it hold it against em its a level.playing field 

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4 hours ago, mC HULL said:

Could be mate for the ones cutting but its the muscle they have id say its a give away like bellew put weight on but wasn't all muscle compared to.say rjj moving from middle to.heavy paquiou David haye usyk but just what I think you've been around it alot more weights etc what's your opinion id say 90 percent at something even if its test at the higher levels which is allowed anyway 

There's loads of different things that can be  performance enhancing.....and let's be honest if your a professional athlete with big money on the line the temptation to use things to give you an edge must be huge ..

I think it's ironic that in a few months there's an event called the enhanced games...where athletes using gear will be competing in several disciplines...let's be honest most professional sport is awash with PED use

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