DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 It's great mate I'm only allowed 1700 calories a day !! Trying to drop from 15 at 5 to about 14st while I'm not playing rugby but I'm walking a few miles a day and biking and rowing in the gym with a few leg weights ( recent knee op) I spend most my time barcode scanning things lol That seems very low, how much do you aim to lose a week? Doesn't cutting too drastic lose you too much muscle as well as fat? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CushtyJook 1,097 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 I use my fitnesspal mate it's good I think it helps when your putting the food in gets you into a bit of a routine ! I actually look forward to looking how many calories I got left got the day and working my meals out ! Also you can link it to you phone step meter so if you've walked a lot it add extra calories to eat from what you've burnt off It's great, I've just had a breakfast of Golden Syrup Porridge, whole fat milk, 1 tablespoon of peanut butter and a banana. Came to a grand total of 509 calories, only another 3,267 to go. I feel full already though.., Drink a pint of full milk for breakfast and that would make the total calories 879 after all breakfast is the most inportant of the day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wales1234 5,425 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 2lb a week is healthy ! I don't mind losing muscle at the moment just want to drop the weight il put muscle on when I'm back running and in full swing 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,752 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 numbers numbers numbers......an olympic marathon runner needs to be very calculated about the numbers of miles they put in.....somebody just out for a jog to get a bit fitter doesnt need to worry about numbers they just need to get the very basics correct and the rest will follow ......sometimes theres just too much information out there and the basics get totally overlooked......numbers complicates,de- motivates and generally hinders progress as worldwide gym membership numbers indicate.......as a beginner keep things simple and do the right things instead of the wrong things. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 numbers numbers numbers......an olympic marathon runner needs to be very calculated about the numbers of miles they put in.....somebody just out for a jog to get a bit fitter doesnt need to worry about numbers they just need to get the very basics correct and the rest will follow ......sometimes theres just too much information out there and the basics get totally overlooked......numbers complicates,de- motivates and generally hinders progress as worldwide gym membership numbers indicate.......as a beginner keep things simple and do the right things instead of the wrong things. Of course numbers matter, if you train but don't eat enough calories you will lose more muscle than you had to start with. I understand what you're saying but you have to keep track. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcherman 887 12,724 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Cheers gaz il have a look into it lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Onlyworkmatters 1,584 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 numbers numbers numbers......an olympic marathon runner needs to be very calculated about the numbers of miles they put in.....somebody just out for a jog to get a bit fitter doesnt need to worry about numbers they just need to get the very basics correct and the rest will follow ......sometimes theres just too much information out there and the basics get totally overlooked......numbers complicates,de- motivates and generally hinders progress as worldwide gym membership numbers indicate.......as a beginner keep things simple and do the right things instead of the wrong things. Of course numbers matter, if you train but don't eat enough calories you will lose more muscle than you had to start with. I understand what you're saying but you have to keep track. More important to know your body than to know numbers, you cant have an app on a phone getting it right for 1000's of people, we are individuals with individual needs, use the numbers as a rough guide dont live by them 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeerhoundLurcherMan 997 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 numbers numbers numbers......an olympic marathon runner needs to be very calculated about the numbers of miles they put in.....somebody just out for a jog to get a bit fitter doesnt need to worry about numbers they just need to get the very basics correct and the rest will follow ......sometimes theres just too much information out there and the basics get totally overlooked......numbers complicates,de- motivates and generally hinders progress as worldwide gym membership numbers indicate.......as a beginner keep things simple and do the right things instead of the wrong things. Spot on. For someone who hasn't done much in a gym, if you train 3 or 4 times a week going reasonably heavy. Cut the crap out of your diet and up the protein, and rest. You will see a difference reasonably quickly.. Bollocks to all that " so many grams of oats", unless your a bodybuilder training for a comp... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 numbers numbers numbers......an olympic marathon runner needs to be very calculated about the numbers of miles they put in.....somebody just out for a jog to get a bit fitter doesnt need to worry about numbers they just need to get the very basics correct and the rest will follow ......sometimes theres just too much information out there and the basics get totally overlooked......numbers complicates,de- motivates and generally hinders progress as worldwide gym membership numbers indicate.......as a beginner keep things simple and do the right things instead of the wrong things.Spot on. For someone who hasn't done much in a gym, if you train 3 or 4 times a week going reasonably heavy. Cut the crap out of your diet and up the protein, and rest. You will see a difference reasonably quickly.. Bollocks to all that " so many grams of oats", unless your a bodybuilder training for a comp... That's all well and good. But look at how many fat fuckers you see in the gym. Who stay fat week after week. Don't you think they THINK they are eating the right things? They just don't understand how many calories they are putting into their bodies until they count them calories. And they say "oh shit, I've been eating loads". 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,752 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) A beginner can make things as simple as they want or as complicated as they want........ive seen plenty of people get interested in training but probably less than half STAY interested......on average the people who tend to keep the beginning simple stay interested and the people who complicate the beginning with numbers and excess information tend to lose desire and motivation........coincidence or pattern id say its a pattern. Edited August 13, 2015 by gnasher16 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeerhoundLurcherMan 997 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 numbers numbers numbers......an olympic marathon runner needs to be very calculated about the numbers of miles they put in.....somebody just out for a jog to get a bit fitter doesnt need to worry about numbers they just need to get the very basics correct and the rest will follow ......sometimes theres just too much information out there and the basics get totally overlooked......numbers complicates,de- motivates and generally hinders progress as worldwide gym membership numbers indicate.......as a beginner keep things simple and do the right things instead of the wrong things.Spot on. For someone who hasn't done much in a gym, if you train 3 or 4 times a week going reasonably heavy. Cut the crap out of your diet and up the protein, and rest. You will see a difference reasonably quickly.. Bollocks to all that " so many grams of oats", unless your a bodybuilder training for a comp... That's all well and good. But look at how many fat fuckers you see in the gym. Who stay fat week after week. Don't you think they THINK they are eating the right things? They just don't understand how many calories they are putting into their bodies until they count them calories. And they say "oh shit, I've been eating loads". My post was aimed at the original post Gaz, a bulking diet for a relatively new gym user. Not a fat git trying to loose weight... For a novice in a gym to jump on a strict diet like the one mentioned is almost certain to fail to follow it 100% accurately gram for gram. I wouldn't enjoy the gym if my diet was taking over my life, I train hard enough and have cut some of the crap out of my diet, upped my protein intake and have made enough gains to keep me happy and motivated ... Unless you are bodybuilder training and conditioning for a comp then you don't need to make things so complicated... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 numbers numbers numbers......an olympic marathon runner needs to be very calculated about the numbers of miles they put in.....somebody just out for a jog to get a bit fitter doesnt need to worry about numbers they just need to get the very basics correct and the rest will follow ......sometimes theres just too much information out there and the basics get totally overlooked......numbers complicates,de- motivates and generally hinders progress as worldwide gym membership numbers indicate.......as a beginner keep things simple and do the right things instead of the wrong things.Spot on. For someone who hasn't done much in a gym, if you train 3 or 4 times a week going reasonably heavy. Cut the crap out of your diet and up the protein, and rest. You will see a difference reasonably quickly.. Bollocks to all that " so many grams of oats", unless your a bodybuilder training for a comp... That's all well and good. But look at how many fat fuckers you see in the gym. Who stay fat week after week. Don't you think they THINK they are eating the right things? They just don't understand how many calories they are putting into their bodies until they count them calories. And they say "oh shit, I've been eating loads". My post was aimed at the original post Gaz, a bulking diet for a relatively new gym user. Not a fat git trying to loose weight... For a novice in a gym to jump on a strict diet like the one mentioned is almost certain to fail to follow it 100% accurately gram for gram. I wouldn't enjoy the gym if my diet was taking over my life, I train hard enough and have cut some of the crap out of my diet, upped my protein intake and have made enough gains to keep me happy and motivated ... Unless you are bodybuilder training and conditioning for a comp then you don't need to make things so complicated... Fair play. You've clearly got the balance right, or somewhere near. I was just giving another perspective. Different methods work better for different people. I have to weigh foods and calorie count, otherwise I go overboard without realising. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeerhoundLurcherMan 997 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Agreed, I'm sure a few novices would get better results with a strict plan. I was just generalising, if one of my mates wanted to start training with me and I gave them the diet in the first post I wouldn't expect to see them after the first week.. Slightly off topic but something me and my training partner are seeing time and time again, we train in a rough and ready gym on an industrial estate, half the lads in there have been inside and are a bit of a handful. They come in the gym start training and jump straight on the gear, get massive, strong and bloated, confidence goes through the roof start shouting the place down while lifting, then one day they disappear and you don't see them for six months... And when you do see them again they look like they have never been in a gym...Funny really.. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Agreed, I'm sure a few novices would get better results with a strict plan. I was just generalising, if one of my mates wanted to start training with me and I gave them the diet in the first post I wouldn't expect to see them after the first week.. Slightly off topic but something me and my training partner are seeing time and time again, we train in a rough and ready gym on an industrial estate, half the lads in there have been inside and are a bit of a handful. They come in the gym start training and jump straight on the gear, get massive, strong and bloated, confidence goes through the roof start shouting the place down while lifting, then one day they disappear and you don't see them for six months... And when you do see them again they look like they have never been in a gym...Funny really.. Never understood that. Jumping straight on the juice. I've only been lifting seriously since May, was always into boxing and circuit training when I've trained before. But I wouldn't get on the gear until I was in half decent shape. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Agreed, I'm sure a few novices would get better results with a strict plan. I was just generalising, if one of my mates wanted to start training with me and I gave them the diet in the first post I wouldn't expect to see them after the first week.. Slightly off topic but something me and my training partner are seeing time and time again, we train in a rough and ready gym on an industrial estate, half the lads in there have been inside and are a bit of a handful. They come in the gym start training and jump straight on the gear, get massive, strong and bloated, confidence goes through the roof start shouting the place down while lifting, then one day they disappear and you don't see them for six months... And when you do see them again they look like they have never been in a gym...Funny really.. Never understood that. Jumping straight on the juice. I've only been lifting seriously since May, was always into boxing and circuit training when I've trained before. But I wouldn't get on the gear until I was in half decent shape. Is that Tyson Fury wearing a strongstuff collar in your avatar? He's growing on me,where did you find the pic? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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