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A feels there's collars ain't the best ta the eye on some dogs but and here's the thing for me and maybe others my Alsatian xs bitch ripped thy arms out from pull pull pull the drive and strength I would have burned a lesser collar out in a few weeks and did so with the fish tail type, stretched ta bits, a do feel those strong collars do weather in has time goes by and some animals have mad crazy drive on the leadand need strong collar there was a point with my alsation xs I used a head collar in conjunction with the strong collar Needs has i suppose at times.atbbunnys.

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A feels there's collars ain't the best ta the eye on some dogs but and here's the thing for me and maybe others my Alsatian xs bitch ripped thy arms out from pull pull pull the drive and strength I would have burned a lesser collar out in a few weeks and did so with the fish tail type, stretched ta bits, a do feel those strong collars do weather in has time goes by and some animals have mad crazy drive on the leadand need strong collar there was a point with my alsation xs I used a head collar in conjunction with the strong collar Needs has i suppose at times.atbbunnys.

if I have a dog pull I put my rope lead on and put it over the nose like a head coller
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