Greengrass 205 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Not necessarily mate ! ?...a dead game dog is one that takes its death rather than quit...its deadOh no it's not .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Thing is where the hell did gameness come from?? Saying that some Wolves will fight to the death on occasion I can bet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 205 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I dare say a lot of animals will if in a bad spot....humans included, I know I,d like to think I would, would,nt you ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,598 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Gameness is not some magic potion i dont think its terribly difficult to breed for if you are willing to use other peoples lifetimes of work,thats been proven plenty of times......unfortunately it takes a hell of a lot more than mere gameness......start breeding for mouth over gameness and you,ll certainly run into problems !......Genetic freaks will crop up ocassionally but over enough time most lines will revert back to the average of what the line has to offer and if it doesnt contain gameness you have nothing. Edited February 19, 2015 by gnasher16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnipper 6,627 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Does this dirty laundry really need airing on here lads? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dunkanon 380 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Thing is where the hell did gameness come from?? Saying that some Wolves will fight to the death on occasion I can bet. This is my own simplistic take on it, selectively breeding from animals that proved game in contest...obviously you have to start somewhere...so lets say couple animals fought and the gamest of the two was bred from..and the offspring where fought and the best/gamest where bred from ...and so on.....and few hundred years later we start to get game dogs.....I don't think its that complicated to be honest. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dunkanon 380 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Does this dirty laundry really need airing on here lads? Just history mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Xxxxxxx Edited February 19, 2015 by DogFox123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 When you stroke your working Terrier stop and think down the line it's probably got pit dog somewhere in the mix... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Chill out dog fox ffs if anything he was looking out for people. Lets face it dog owners aren't the most clever of people, stupidity and egos don't go well with dogs. Point taken gnipper but noones talking anything but history of lines and the ideas behind breeding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) We are talking of the history of a breed nothing more nothing less. Edited February 19, 2015 by DogFox123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 205 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Historical as they say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate.If gameness could be truly be bred for then there would be no curs.But I know one thing if I was into such things if I had the option of owning a hard biting cur with loads of ability or a super game dog with no ability and a weak bite I'd take the cur all day long. Sure you might win more with a barnstorming rough cur but what have you really proved? Matching should always be about proving the gameness of your lines IMO, something a lot of breeders have forgotten in recent years sadly. Obviously in an ideal world you'd have ability, hard mouth and gameness all in a neat little package but if I had to choose I'd have the soft mouthed wrestling deep game dog that will keep going for as long as it takes over a 10 minute wonder rough cur any day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsouth 7,817 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate. If gameness could be truly be bred for then there would be no curs.But I know one thing if I was into such things if I had the option of owning a hard biting cur with loads of ability or a super game dog with no ability and a weak bite I'd take the cur all day long. Sure you might win more with a barnstorming rough cur but what have you really proved? Matching should always be about proving the gameness of your lines IMO, something a lot of breeders have forgotten in recent years sadly. Obviously in an ideal world you'd have ability, hard mouth and gameness all in a neat little package but if I had to choose I'd have the soft mouthed wrestling deep game dog that will keep going for as long as it takes over a 10 minute wonder rough cur any day So you'd rather go home with a dead dog and an empty pocket just so you could say yeah but wasn't he game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Is gameness a gene which can be bred? If every dog has it in it too quit is gameness not more of an enviroment thing if thats the right word. Plenty of good proven dogs also never seem to be able to produce. Also sure plenty of quiters have gone on to produce. I guess breeding dogs is like a science in itself. Suppose i could watch a mayfield DVD lol. Just thought itll make a decent debate.If gameness could be truly be bred for then there would be no curs.But I know one thing if I was into such things if I had the option of owning a hard biting cur with loads of ability or a super game dog with no ability and a weak bite I'd take the cur all day long. Sure you might win more with a barnstorming rough cur but what have you really proved? Matching should always be about proving the gameness of your lines IMO, something a lot of breeders have forgotten in recent years sadly. Obviously in an ideal world you'd have ability, hard mouth and gameness all in a neat little package but if I had to choose I'd have the soft mouthed wrestling deep game dog that will keep going for as long as it takes over a 10 minute wonder rough cur any day So you'd rather go home with a dead dog and an empty pocket just so you could say yeah but wasn't he game. Thats what it's all about isn't it? Gameness isn't just a trait that helps a bulldog win a match it's the whole essence of their being. If you wanted a dog that could finish quick without worrying about gameness there's breeds out there that could do the job better than a bulldog. Obviously if you're a gambling man you'd be better off with the rough cur but to me that's not what matching is about, it's a test of what makes a bulldog a bulldog. At the end of the day breeders should focus on gameness alone and hope the rest falls into place IMO Edited February 20, 2015 by BGD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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