gnasher16 31,442 Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 While a slatmill is the perfect tool to get the lungs open nothing will bring a dogs reactions up as well as a flirt pole.....a combination of both coupled with long handwalking should be the basics to your conditioning. If I had the time I would use the powerhouse road work keep on all my dogs... Cant say as ive ever seen it but be very careful giving a dog too much roadwork it builds too much muscle mass id rather do not enough roadwork than too much you dont want a dog over muscled. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,355 Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Keeping it very simple......aerobic work requires oxygen via breath to feed the muscles......working anaerobically requires glycogen for fuel....ie oxygen is not present. Jogging is still using oxygen sitting watching the tv uses oxygen...lol. i get both points, up until a couple of yrs back, i used to do alot of running 10k, half marathon and full marathon. think marshman may have been differentiating between a full blown lung busting sprint to a slow pace setting LONG jog. to me, a 10k, tho shorter, was harder on the lungs, as you have to hit your pace fast and hold it, no need to fuel up over the distance. half marathon and above is more an endurance test and you must take on fuel (glycogen) as you go or your body will start using lean muscle and you'll hit the infamous "wall". to me, that's the difference between sprint work on the slat mill and long roadwork or leccy mill. one builds wind and recovery the other endurance....J.M.O. Yokel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,442 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Keeping it very simple......aerobic work requires oxygen via breath to feed the muscles......working anaerobically requires glycogen for fuel....ie oxygen is not present. Jogging is still using oxygen sitting watching the tv uses oxygen...lol Not to aid muscle recovery it doesnt........a persons aerobic fitness level is dependant on the amount of oxygen that can be transported to the working muscles via the blood system/lungs and the efficiency of the muscles to be able to use that oxygen..............you are not exercising muscles watching tv ...unless of course you have your Jane Fonda workout video on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,355 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) Keeping it very simple......aerobic work requires oxygen via breath to feed the muscles......working anaerobically requires glycogen for fuel....ie oxygen is not present. Jogging is still using oxygen sitting watching the tv uses oxygen...lol Not to aid muscle recovery it doesnt........a persons aerobic fitness level is dependant on the amount of oxygen that can be transported to the working muscles via the blood system/lungs and the efficiency of the muscles to be able to use that oxygen..............you are not exercising muscles watching tv ...unless of course you have your Jane Fonda workout video on Oi! you leave my jane fonda workout out of it!!! you don't get to have a body like mine watching homes under the hammer... I was being silly with the tv comment as i'd hope you know, my point was tho, there is jogging and running and sprinting. all of which will exercise/condition the body in a different way, and on LONG slow conditioning runs your body can go into anaerobic state where it has to take on glycogen to carry on.Also on hard sprint repeats as you stretch your lungs and they struggle to take in oxygen... Yokel Edited December 9, 2014 by YOKEL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,442 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Think we,re overcomplicating this just a teeny weeny bit dont you .....Tomo pointed out that static/muscle exercise is anaerobic....and running/heartrate exercise is aerobic..........its that simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,355 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 see nothing complicated in it at all myself, but i'll bow to your far superior knowledge.... Yokel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,442 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) see nothing complicated in it at all myself, but i'll bow to your far superior knowledge.... Yokel Oi keep your alans on what you getting shirty for ...........ok ok have it your way running is not aerobic .......only on thursdays Edited December 9, 2014 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,355 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 see nothing complicated in it at all myself, but i'll bow to your far superior knowledge.... Yokel Oi keep your alans on what you getting shirty for ...........ok ok have it your way running is not aerobic .......only on thursdays there ya go taking me all serious again... perhaps i am being picky, running, on the whole is aerobic, but, not always...funnily enough, i always done my speedwork/repeats on a thursday....so it would be aerobic APART FROM Thursday....you been peeping thru my curtains??? Yokel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,442 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) perhaps i am being picky, running, on the whole is aerobic, but, not always...funnily enough, Yokel Whats this one of them " running is aerobic until you are running slowly enough for it to be walking " scientific phenomenons Edited December 10, 2014 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Just make sure your not wasting your time n conditioning the wrong dog lol. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,355 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) perhaps i am being picky, running, on the whole is aerobic, but, not always...funnily enough, Yokel Whats this one of them " running is aerobic until you are running slowly enough for it to be walking " scientific phenomenons Quite the opposite old pal, speedwork/sprint repeats/interval training...call it what you will, all essential training for a competative RUNNER... http://www.brianmac.co.uk/speed.htm http://www.crossfitmph.com/nutrition-enrichment/running-faqs/why-is-there-so-much-anaerobic-sprint-and-speed-work-if-i-am-going-to-run-in-an-endurance-event/ Yokel Edited December 10, 2014 by YOKEL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,442 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Interesting as im sure it all is i dont need scientific write ups to tell me raising the heartbeat is aerobic and not raising the heartbeat is anaerobic.....which is all this simple little conversation was about. Edited December 10, 2014 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,355 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 so your heart rate doesn't raise whilst running at full capacity???? mine damn near pumps out my chest! Yokel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,442 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 I think you are being a little bit mischievous here Mr Yokel......if you told me a good big man beats a good little man i would accept the general concept even though if i felt the need to i could probably come up with detailed theories suggesting otherwise that might get you on a technicality...........but alas most folk just accept a general principal for what it is without the need for a stewards inquiry over it 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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