nothernlite 18,028 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 best way to do it one man and his dog 2 Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 watch and learn Don't take this as a pop or attack. Genuine questions... Pretend it's from someone else if you prefer. Lol... What are they learning? A young dog will already be keen to run (or should be?) It won't learn to strike by watching will it? If a dog hasn't got good recall or retrieve then it's not gonna learn that by watching? Or is it? I've only ever seen them yapping and pulling at the lead in frustration wondering why the other dog is having fun and they aren't. Which is why I've started my pup off one-to-one as much as possible and never took her out as a pup to watch. She hadn't seen the lamp before her first trip at 10 months old and she knew to run the rabbit, strike and bring it back. But maybe I'm missing something and could of benefited from talking her out earlier to watch? Could be a good topic for discussion. WELL SAID GAZ,,,,,IVE ALLWAYS STARTED THEM ON THE OWN,,,,OK IFF YOU HAVE A PUP AND ITS CLINGY, IN DAY TIME AND YOU WANT IT TO VENTURE A LITTLE ,, FAIR ENOUGH,,,,,,,, I'm no expert. I might be wrong. Just can't see the advantages of letting a pup "watch and learn". Quote Link to post
tjones3862 3,423 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 watch and learn Don't take this as a pop or attack. Genuine questions... Pretend it's from someone else if you prefer. Lol... What are they learning? A young dog will already be keen to run (or should be?) It won't learn to strike by watching will it? If a dog hasn't got good recall or retrieve then it's not gonna learn that by watching? Or is it? I've only ever seen them yapping and pulling at the lead in frustration wondering why the other dog is having fun and they aren't. Which is why I've started my pup off one-to-one as much as possible and never took her out as a pup to watch. She hadn't seen the lamp before her first trip at 10 months old and she knew to run the rabbit, strike and bring it back. But maybe I'm missing something and could of benefited from talking her out earlier to watch? Could be a good topic for discussion. WELL SAID GAZ,,,,,IVE ALLWAYS STARTED THEM ON THE OWN,,,,OK IFF YOU HAVE A PUP AND ITS CLINGY, IN DAY TIME AND YOU WANT IT TO VENTURE A LITTLE ,, FAIR ENOUGH,,,,,,,, I'm no expert. I might be wrong. Just can't see the advantages of letting a pup "watch and learn". I LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS ,,,,WUD A DOG LEARN TO SIT AND STAY BY WATCHING ANOTHER DOG,,,, 2 Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,028 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 it can just take a bit of patience on the owners side and perseverance Quote Link to post
blackmaggie 3,375 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 watch and learn Don't take this as a pop or attack. Genuine questions... Pretend it's from someone else if you prefer. Lol... What are they learning? A young dog will already be keen to run (or should be?) It won't learn to strike by watching will it? If a dog hasn't got good recall or retrieve then it's not gonna learn that by watching? Or is it? I've only ever seen them yapping and pulling at the lead in frustration wondering why the other dog is having fun and they aren't. Which is why I've started my pup off one-to-one as much as possible and never took her out as a pup to watch. She hadn't seen the lamp before her first trip at 10 months old and she knew to run the rabbit, strike and bring it back. But maybe I'm missing something and could of benefited from talking her out earlier to watch? Could be a good topic for discussion. alot depends on your pups temperment if its highly strung then one on one without the distraction is the way i would go and your not getting frustrated at having your arm pulled at every turn but a more calmer dog could learn from watching another dog even if its just knowing theres something there at the end of the beam 2 Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 watch and learn Don't take this as a pop or attack. Genuine questions... Pretend it's from someone else if you prefer. Lol... What are they learning? A young dog will already be keen to run (or should be?) It won't learn to strike by watching will it? If a dog hasn't got good recall or retrieve then it's not gonna learn that by watching? Or is it? I've only ever seen them yapping and pulling at the lead in frustration wondering why the other dog is having fun and they aren't. Which is why I've started my pup off one-to-one as much as possible and never took her out as a pup to watch. She hadn't seen the lamp before her first trip at 10 months old and she knew to run the rabbit, strike and bring it back. But maybe I'm missing something and could of benefited from talking her out earlier to watch? Could be a good topic for discussion. alot depends on your pups temperment if its highly strung then one on one without the distraction is the way i would go and your not getting frustrated at having your arm pulled at every turn but a more calmer dog could learn from watching another dog even if its just knowing theres something there at the end of the beam Fair point ? Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,028 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 watch and learn Don't take this as a pop or attack. Genuine questions... Pretend it's from someone else if you prefer. Lol... What are they learning? A young dog will already be keen to run (or should be?) It won't learn to strike by watching will it? If a dog hasn't got good recall or retrieve then it's not gonna learn that by watching? Or is it? I've only ever seen them yapping and pulling at the lead in frustration wondering why the other dog is having fun and they aren't. Which is why I've started my pup off one-to-one as much as possible and never took her out as a pup to watch. She hadn't seen the lamp before her first trip at 10 months old and she knew to run the rabbit, strike and bring it back. But maybe I'm missing something and could of benefited from talking her out earlier to watch? Could be a good topic for discussion. alot depends on your pups temperment if its highly strung then one on one without the distraction is the way i would go and your not getting frustrated at having your arm pulled at every turn but a more calmer dog could learn from watching another dog even if its just knowing theres something there at the end of the beam well put not every dog pulls and cries some have the patience to watch and learn 1 Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 But what is it 'learning'? IMO it's learning nothing and getting frustrated to boot............ solo all the way for me, until they're running the beam well......but it's each to their own... 2 Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,028 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 What it's watching Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 watch and learn Don't take this as a pop or attack. Genuine questions... Pretend it's from someone else if you prefer. Lol... What are they learning? A young dog will already be keen to run (or should be?) It won't learn to strike by watching will it? If a dog hasn't got good recall or retrieve then it's not gonna learn that by watching? Or is it? I've only ever seen them yapping and pulling at the lead in frustration wondering why the other dog is having fun and they aren't. Which is why I've started my pup off one-to-one as much as possible and never took her out as a pup to watch. She hadn't seen the lamp before her first trip at 10 months old and she knew to run the rabbit, strike and bring it back. But maybe I'm missing something and could of benefited from talking her out earlier to watch? Could be a good topic for discussion. alot depends on your pups temperment if its highly strung then one on one without the distraction is the way i would go and your not getting frustrated at having your arm pulled at every turn but a more calmer dog could learn from watching another dog even if its just knowing theres something there at the end of the beam well put not every dog pulls and cries some have the patience to watch and learn My pup is one of the quietest, calmest and most patient I have been out with. But what would she of learnt from this early watching? That's the bit I'm asking. Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,028 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 If your dog doesnt have a problem in picking things up in running the beam it doesn't need to watch and learn but if it has I don't see the harm in the lad trying it it might help him and his dog I'm one for doing things solo myself at the end of the day who wants to go out with a dog that's maybe hunting up and spoiling the nights sport 1 Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,028 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) ????????? Edited October 29, 2014 by nothernlite Quote Link to post
blackmaggie 3,375 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 But what is it 'learning'? IMO it's learning nothing and getting frustrated to boot............ solo all the way for me, until they're running the beam well......but it's each to their own... everyones different has you know jd some paired up preban at first some run solo i had a educated bitch cry everytime the lamp went on and she was locked in the van yet never a peep if she was stood watching but like you say a dog run solo is getting all the attention and runs and doesnt get the same frustration has watching another run but some dont seem to bounce about but just watch and has a youngster learn to watch were the lamps going Quote Link to post
jeemes 3,547 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 But what is it 'learning'? IMO it's learning nothing and getting frustrated to boot............ solo all the way for me, until they're running the beam well......but it's each to their own... A dog should learn that its not his right to run everytime and when its not his turn he needs to behave until his turn comes around. Ive been out with lads whos dogs start yapping when my dogs running because they have always been used to being slipped every time. I used to run two dogs.One on and one off the slip,taking it in turn to run a rabbit,and so getting lots more runs in a night. 2 Quote Link to post
matt1979 766 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I don't go lamping so can't comment on that exactly, but a young dog learns plenty from an older well behaved dog no doubt. Somebody mentioned can another dog learn to sit and stay from other, yes they can or certainly can help. If you have a pack of dogs and bring a pup in generally I have found the pup learns far faster than a pup brought on on its own and I am talking about everything from heel work to where to do its business. I would have thought taking a young dog along with an older dog would settle it if nothing else but as I say I don't lamp so no expert atb Quote Link to post
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