Mission Creep In Iraq ?.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

Everyone seems agreed that extremism is de-stabilizing the Middle East as a whole, as well posing a credible threat to the West.

 

But, in the clamour to stop the advance, do we run the risk of 'mission creep', of being sucked inexorably into Gulf War 3 ?

 

We have half-a-dozen aircraft involved in humanitarian air-drops, but the Americans are already carrying out targeted air-strikes and have nearly 200 'advisors' on the ground. Cam-Moron announced today that British involvement would be 'increased', but again ruled out the deployment of ground troops.

 

Are we right to be equipping one side, to allow them to 'win their own war' ?

Can air-strikes 'even things up' without ground troops ?

Should we be involved at all?

 

And, I think, most importantly, why aren't the Arab states doing more to tidy up their own back yard ?

Edited August 18, 2014 by Blackbriar

[desertbred 5,490]

The back yard was made into a shit heap by who ? Arabs play in the hands of Western capitalists and oil companies , it was westerners who put Sadaam in power financed Bin Ladens Family keeps the Sauds in power in Arabia, supports the Dictatorships of Qatar, Kuwait Jordan so if western bolstering ended and the clandestine manipulation ended then may be and just maybe the back yard could been cleaned up

[Onlyworkmatters 1,584]

The quicker we find alternatives to oil the sooner we can get out of the middle east stop aid and leave them to it

[neems 2,406]

Has our intervention out there ever helped anyone in the long run?

 

Except Israel who's more secure through the destabilisation of Iraq,Egypt and Syria.

[paulus 26]

The quicker we find alternatives to oil the sooner we can get out of the middle east stop aid and leave them to it

the same with gas, then there's electricity production, unravel all conflicts and money will be at the root of it, capitalism always needs more capital to continue, the truth is all natural resources will eventually run out, food will become less readily available and then the world will truly turn to crap and its not as far away as you might think,

[lanesra 4,007]

Was Involved In A Football Tournament 2 Mths Ago In Sweden Involving Kurdistan (We Beat Them In the Quarter-Finals) . . Makes You Appreciate What You Have When You Think What We Came Home To & What They Went Home Too . . I Don't & Never Will Understand Religion But 1 Thing I Do Know Is It Creates As Much Bad as Good !!

[paulus 26]

Was Involved In A Football Tournament 2 Mths Ago In Sweden Involving Kurdistan (We Beat Them In the Quarter-Finals) . . Makes You Appreciate What You Have When You Think What We Came Home To & What They Went Home Too . . I Don't & Never Will Understand Religion But 1 Thing I Do Know Is It Creates As Much Bad as Good !!

religion is nothing without people, its people who do good and bad things, they have a choice

[NELS0N 457]

 

The quicker we find alternatives to oil the sooner we can get out of the middle east stop aid and leave them to it

the same with gas, then there's electricity production, unravel all conflicts and money will be at the root of it, capitalism always needs more capital to continue, the truth is all natural resources will eventually run out, food will become less readily available and then the world will truly turn to crap and its not as far away as you might think,

 

This world is run by the IMF

[NELS0N 457]

A War will be fought over clean water in the very near future. As the world population grows, food and water will be the cause of more wars

[Born Hunter 17,936]

Mission creep is going to be a possibility without clear objectives and goals. I don't think at this stage UK infantry is needed or wanted, there doesn't seem a shortage of Kurds and Iraqis willing to take back their home lands. What they need is air, intelligence and logistical assets in the form of fast jets and drones etc. These things are game changers.

 

I don't think a long dirty campaign is on the cards. More publicly acceptable action is what we'll see.

 

Though I doubt we'll see UK forces moving in in Brigade strength it's not too much to imagine other serious offensive assets being used to support Iraq and Syria like Apaches, Challenger Tanks etc. That for me would signify a real stepup in our involvement to the edge of what can be considered acceptable or indeed necessary. I think it's just a matter of time untill we see the RAF taking a direct action role by the side of the US Navy.

[socks 32,253]

Infantry regiments have been put on standby .... Doesn't mean they will go but they are on the first rung of the ladder .......

[desertbred 5,490]

Sand and engines whether tank plane or helicopter only have limited capacity in regions that are sandy dusty and mountainous boots on the ground are the only way to win conflicts especially where tribal. religious and traditional blood is involved,outside interference will only excaserbate the conflict prolong the destruction it also gives groups like ISIS Al quaeda and the rest to use the outside participation to try to turn it into a "Holy War" the yazidis for instance have lived alongside different ethnic and religious groups for thousands of years now Isis has latched on to them to persecute in order to embroil the Muslims by playing the infidel and Koffur card, ISIS are just a armed bunch of thugs who will murder anyone regardless of race, creed or colour they comprise of Uzbecks, arabs Tajiks Arabians Syrian .Pakistanis, Afghans usually the remnants of groups who have been manipulated financially and religiously to advance some gobshites own political or financial ambitions. Stop funding and weapons supplies most of the arms being sent to Syria and Iraq will find there way into the hands of the terror groups, primarily because of corruption . it is far better to deal with a national army than groups and bands of mercanaries whose loyalties can change over night or from one pay day to another.

Edited August 18, 2014 by desertbred

[Born Hunter 17,936]

Infantry regiments have been put on standby .... Doesn't mean they will go but they are on the first rung of the ladder .......

 

I can't remember the Regt but I heard that Army personel opporating out of Cyprus have already been on the ground in Iraq as a security force for possible local evacuation. The evacuation was called off but they remain on standby. Is this the same thing Socks? Or has the likes of 16 Air Assault been put on standby which to my understanding would indicate a real consideration by the UK Govt to use the Army in an offensive role?

[desertbred 5,490]

The only ones who have been on the ground are seals and sas for recognasance

[Born Hunter 17,936]

The only ones who have been on the ground are seals and sas for recognasance

 

Nope;

 

In his interview, the defence secretary confirmed that a small number of regular British soldiers were sent briefly into the semi-autonomous Kurdish north of the country. The troops from 2nd Battalion the Yorkshire Regiment were flown into Irbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan, last week to prepare for a possible deployment of Chinook helicopters on a mission to save Yazidi families.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/18/uk-prepared-military-isis-cameron-iraq