God

[Born Hunter 17,939]

LOL, there's no salvation in atheism fella..... but some of us don't let that scare us.

 

Billions of people over the centuries, all with a different take on what their god is and what rules to follow...... yep as conclusive as evidence ever gets that eh.

[paulus 26]

i have said this before take the tale of Noah,the present version in the bible was preceded by a Babylonian version some two thousand years earlier, indeed its is believed that they developed floating pontoons to keep there livestock safe during times of flooding, there are other examples too where much earlier events were later turned into acts of God rather than acts of men. i am not against the idea of a creator just the way it is blindly followed by numerous religions all claiming there version to be the one true religion to what they believe to be one creator,

[gnasher16 31,602]

LOL, there's no salvation in atheism fella..... but some of us don't let that scare us.

 

Billions of people over the centuries, all with a different take on what their god is and what rules to follow...... yep as conclusive as evidence ever gets that eh.

 

Like i say.....the aethiests said so and they are real educated folk so thats good enough for me im saved...............ive found out stuff from this little aethiest firm that the huge majority of the world dont know or cant see so im just privileged to recieve such information

[WILF 50,673]

Aye, I find you very easy to talk to on the subject.... and I can talk about deep stuff until the cows come home. On your point about statistics I would agree with you, but as I say imo all it does is show that humans as a biological species have a natural faith function in our psychology..... As proven by the fact that just about every human society in recorded history has had with it some sort of theistic system/religion. However, one of the reasons I give for this being 100% human and not divine is that there is no consistency between the isolated religions, there is so much variation it's really quite marvellous. The only thing they share is faith in a greater power. Which when you view as a mechanism for survival has proven itself very effective. Add to that rational explanations for these recorded and previously labelled supernatural/divine experiences, I personally, start to see this mysterious puzzle come together....

I think a more accurate way to put it would be that it shows we MAY have a natural faith function or that there MAY be something more, wouldn't you agree?

 

And far from being isolated, I think various faiths have too many core things in common (when you study them) that it can't simply be coincidence.

It's not word for word, but in my opinion you can easily see how the various things in each faith mean exactly the same in another.

[Born Hunter 17,939]

LOL gnasher, if that's how you see it fair enough. You're enlightened, I'm enlightened, who really gives a f**k.

[WILF 50,673]

i have said this before take the tale of Noah,the present version in the bible was preceded by a Babylonian version some two thousand years earlier, indeed its is believed that they developed floating pontoons to keep there livestock safe during times of flooding, there are other examples too where much earlier events were later turned into acts of God rather than acts of men. i am not against the idea of a creator just the way it is blindly followed by numerous religions all claiming there version to be the one true religion to what they believe to be one creator,

 

Personally (and it's only my opinion) but I think this is where non believers are a bit narrow minded mate, they seem to want to examine the manuscripts of faith and take them word for word ( by the way, IMHO it's where a lot of religious people go wrong too)............the bible or whatever book you follow can only paint in the crude, broad strokes of language

 

It's upto the reader (if they have a mind to) to think and move beyond that.

 

How can you describe literally that which is indescribable ?

[paulus 26]

 

i have said this before take the tale of Noah,the present version in the bible was preceded by a Babylonian version some two thousand years earlier, indeed its is believed that they developed floating pontoons to keep there livestock safe during times of flooding, there are other examples too where much earlier events were later turned into acts of God rather than acts of men. i am not against the idea of a creator just the way it is blindly followed by numerous religions all claiming there version to be the one true religion to what they believe to be one creator,

Personally (and it's only my opinion) but I think this is where non believers are a bit narrow minded mate, they seem to want to examine the manuscripts of faith and take them word for word ( by the way, IMHO it's where a lot of religious people go wrong too)............the bible or whatever book you follow can only paint in the crude, broad strokes of language

 

It's upto the reader (if they have a mind to) to think and move beyond that.

 

How can you describe literally that which is indescribable ?

 

not narrow minded but inquisitive, would you blindly believe what a second hand car salesman was telling you, or maybe you would want to check out what he was telling you for yourself?

 

The first records of the flood myth in the Middle East were in a series of cuneiform tablets uncovered in the early 1870s, translated by George Smith, and published in his book "Chaldean Account of Genesis" in 1875. The stories are a very early (First Empire) Babylonian account of what later got written up as the Book of Genesis in the Hebrew Scriptures. These tablets are dated to around 2500 to 2100 BCE predating the writing of Genesis. In all probability these tales came from earlier Sumerian myths from about 3500 BCE. The Book of Genesis wasn't actually included into the Pentateuch until about 750 BCE. Interestingly, one culture that doesn't have a flood myth is Egypt. If it was a world-wide deluge how is it that the older culture of Egypt doesn't have this myth?

 

 

[Born Hunter 17,939]

WILF, haha you're itching for me to acknowledge the possibility of a god aren't you. Fair enough and I wouldn't deny it. I've gone through all this with the implicit belief that it is indeed a possibility, just imo an extreme improbability.

 

I guess when I was referring to a human faith function as part of our psychology I wasn't specifically nailing the cause down as physical or divine. Though of course fundamentally I believe it to be physical and not divine. I was simply saying that the stats prove there is one in us as a species, though they give no reason to the cause..... imo.

 

We could argue about the similarities of religions past and present and the reasons behind them for a long time. It's probably another thread. That's not a dodge, I just feel it's a bit out there for the moment.

[gnasher16 31,602]

LOL gnasher, if that's how you see it fair enough. You're enlightened, I'm enlightened, who really gives a f**k.

 

 

no no no im grateful.....really i am.......................i mean thats what believers are supposed to say right ?

[Born Hunter 17,939]

I don't really care what you're supposed to say. Should I?...... Oh no wait a minute, you want to paint me as someone trying to convert you! When I really couldn't give a f**k. You follow whatever you want to follow mate.

[WILF 50,673]

 

 

i have said this before take the tale of Noah,the present version in the bible was preceded by a Babylonian version some two thousand years earlier, indeed its is believed that they developed floating pontoons to keep there livestock safe during times of flooding, there are other examples too where much earlier events were later turned into acts of God rather than acts of men. i am not against the idea of a creator just the way it is blindly followed by numerous religions all claiming there version to be the one true religion to what they believe to be one creator,

Personally (and it's only my opinion) but I think this is where non believers are a bit narrow minded mate, they seem to want to examine the manuscripts of faith and take them word for word ( by the way, IMHO it's where a lot of religious people go wrong too)............the bible or whatever book you follow can only paint in the crude, broad strokes of languageIt's upto the reader (if they have a mind to) to think and move beyond that.How can you describe literally that which is indescribable ?

not narrow minded but inquisitive, would you blindly believe what a second hand car salesman was telling you, or maybe you would want to check out what he was telling you for yourself? The first records of the flood myth in the Middle East were in a series of cuneiform tablets uncovered in the early 1870s, translated by George Smith, and published in his book "Chaldean Account of Genesis" in 1875. The stories are a very early (First Empire) Babylonian account of what later got written up as the Book of Genesis in the Hebrew Scriptures. These tablets are dated to around 2500 to 2100 BCE predating the writing of Genesis. In all probability these tales came from earlier Sumerian myths from about 3500 BCE. The Book of Genesis wasn't actually included into the Pentateuch until about 750 BCE. Interestingly, one culture that doesn't have a flood myth is Egypt. If it was a world-wide deluge how is it that the older culture of Egypt doesn't have this myth?

But this is the point mate, I am not blindly believing anything because I know what I see and feel and pick up on, same as billions of people just like me.

I dont need anyone else to varify it for me because I know it like I know if I have a bad back.

 

And basically non believers are telling everyone like me that we are wrong......how does that work?

 

That's my point.

[WILF 50,673]

WILF, haha you're itching for me to acknowledge the possibility of a god aren't you. Fair enough and I wouldn't deny it. I've gone through all this with the implicit belief that it is indeed a possibility, just imo an extreme improbability. I guess when I was referring to a human faith function as part of our psychology I wasn't specifically nailing the cause down as physical or divine. Though of course fundamentally I believe it to be physical and not divine. I was simply saying that the stats prove there is one in us as a species, though they give no reason to the cause..... imo. We could argue about the similarities of religions past and present and the reasons behind them for a long time. It's probably another thread. That's not a dodge, I just feel it's a bit out there for the moment.

Haha, to accurate I am trying to get you to admit that by your logic the possibility MAY exist

 

Don't worry, I will get you there !! Lol lol

[Born Hunter 17,939]

WILF, I have no problem at all admitting that. ha

 

There is definitely the possibility for the existence of a god. Whatever that may be exactly. I mean this is where I usually take an ignostic stance. How can I really acknowledge the possibility of such a thing if we can't nail down in logic exactly what it is? Though if I was to take a rough edged definition then yeah I guess it's possible.

 

But I'm still an atheist. I've simply decided that in light of all the evidence to hand, that god most probably does not exist. Some people might call that agnostic atheism..... I wouldn't.

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

i have said this before take the tale of Noah,the present version in the bible was preceded by a Babylonian version some two thousand years earlier, indeed its is believed that they developed floating pontoons to keep there livestock safe during times of flooding, there are other examples too where much earlier events were later turned into acts of God rather than acts of men. i am not against the idea of a creator just the way it is blindly followed by numerous religions all claiming there version to be the one true religion to what they believe to be one creator,

Personally (and it's only my opinion) but I think this is where non believers are a bit narrow minded mate, they seem to want to examine the manuscripts of faith and take them word for word ( by the way, IMHO it's where a lot of religious people go wrong too)............the bible or whatever book you follow can only paint in the crude, broad strokes of languageIt's upto the reader (if they have a mind to) to think and move beyond that.How can you describe literally that which is indescribable ?

not narrow minded but inquisitive, would you blindly believe what a second hand car salesman was telling you, or maybe you would want to check out what he was telling you for yourself? The first records of the flood myth in the Middle East were in a series of cuneiform tablets uncovered in the early 1870s, translated by George Smith, and published in his book "Chaldean Account of Genesis" in 1875. The stories are a very early (First Empire) Babylonian account of what later got written up as the Book of Genesis in the Hebrew Scriptures. These tablets are dated to around 2500 to 2100 BCE predating the writing of Genesis. In all probability these tales came from earlier Sumerian myths from about 3500 BCE. The Book of Genesis wasn't actually included into the Pentateuch until about 750 BCE. Interestingly, one culture that doesn't have a flood myth is Egypt. If it was a world-wide deluge how is it that the older culture of Egypt doesn't have this myth?

But this is the point mate, I am not blindly believing anything because I know what I see and feel and pick up on, same as billions of people just like me.

I dont need anyone else to varify it for me because I know it like I know if I have a bad back.

 

And basically non believers are telling everyone like me that we are wrong......how does that work?

 

That's my point.

 

no different to creationists telling everyone there right i look at religion and just can not see it, all i can see is bad things done over thousands of years by men who follow religion, there was a Muslim on the telly the other night saying that ISIS is following a perverted form of Islam but it is my understanding that they are following the words in the quran to the letter, if indeed these religious books are an instruction manual on how to live our lives then who is correct? if religion was full of the good that people say then maybe i would see things differently but as i have stated many times before, i am not religious but would not dismiss the possibility of a creator whether that be accidental or purposely. maybe the universe is the creator !!

[gnasher16 31,602]

I don't really care what you're supposed to say. Should I?...... Oh no wait a minute, you want to paint me as someone trying to convert you! When I really couldn't give a f**k. You follow whatever you want to follow mate.

 

So somebody constantly discusses a subject they dont even believe exists....and theres no purpose to it ?.....nah i dont buy it i reckon its either Jehova,s type preaching or a need to flex the old mental muscles myself.....but f**k it you dont care anyway do you

Edited November 11, 2014 by gnasher16