WILF 50,000 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) And I dislike communism as it's an excuse for wankers to steal from creators and then tell them it's "fair" So there, we all dislike something Stoning to death then, locking people up for not wanting homosexuals under their roof in their own hotel now, locking people up for hunting now, penalising someone for having the cheek to own a big house now........the persocution is worse now, just the method that differs !! Edited October 30, 2014 by WILF Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Sandy so you want to be a humanist,why beleive in man when they cant be trusted? Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Man can't be trusted to find his own moral standing but he can be trusted to find a good interpretation of religious teaching? However you come to your personal beliefs, make no doubt about it, they are YOUR own subjective beliefs..... man made! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,000 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Man can't be trusted to find his own moral standing but he can be trusted to find a good interpretation of religious teaching? However you come to your personal beliefs, make no doubt about it, they are YOUR own subjective beliefs..... man made! I agree with that mate, whatever you believe, if you believe in the man then he created us with our own mind and the power to chose our path.......there is a book of moral lessons to live by, what you take from it and how you interpret it is down to the individual. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Exactly mate. Pisses me off when religious folk judge me as a sinner because I have no universal law book on morality to live by. My morals are determined by my conscience and pride in being a good man. Some, like yourself, take guidance from your religious literature but you ultimately still come to your own conclusions. We're all in the same boat in that respect... I think it'd be foolish to just follow the 'rules' without questioning them... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Lordy Wilf are labour stoning people to death now???????????? Your comparisons tend to lack a little balance. frazdog, why belive in a book that supports horrific acts??? I saw a little girl die, it was a terrible thing, there was nothing anyone could do but they tried anyway. It took a little while and to see such a tiny might suffer so left a scar on me, if there was someone their that could have alleviated that poor child’s suffering and stood by and did nothing then they need treating as the lowest of scum. So if there was a god and they watched this and every other child suffer needlessly then who would glorify such callousness?? I’m glad we have science and I don’t need to live with the thought that such callousness would go unpunished. Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 people are easily lead with promises of wealth.heath, eternal life or even plain old monetary gain, whether that be political or religious motivation or again just for personnel gain, the fact that there are billions willing to kill their fellow man over petty material things and in the name of some god or other says to me our species is never going to evolve into much, best you can do is be true to your own beliefs and live your life the best you can, does it really make a difference if you believe in something or not at the end of the day what the individual chooses to do and how they treat others is what makes them a good person. Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) people are easily lead with promises of wealth.heath, eternal life or even plain old monetary gain, whether that be political or religious motivation or again just for personnel gain, the fact that there are billions willing to kill their fellow man over petty material things and in the name of some god or other says to me our species is never going to evolve into much, best you can do is be true to your own beliefs and live your life the best you can, does it really make a difference if you believe in something or not at the end of the day what the individual chooses to do and how they treat others is what makes them a good person. theres a humanist in the room. …a commitment to the perspective, interests and centrality of human persons; a belief in reason and autonomy as foundational aspects of human existence; a belief that reason, scepticism and the scientific method are the only appropriate instruments for discovering truth and structuring the human community; a belief that the foundations for ethics and society are to be found in autonomy and moral equality… - Concise Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy An appeal to reason in contrast to revelation or religious authority as a means of finding out about the natural world and destiny of man, and also giving a grounding for morality…Humanist ethics is also distinguished by placing the end of moral action in the welfare of humanity rather than in fulfilling the will of God. - Oxford Companion to Philosophy Believing that it is possible to live confidently without metaphysical or religious certainty and that all opinions are open to revision and correction, [Humanists] see human flourishing as dependent on open communication, discussion, criticism and unforced consensus. - Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy That man should show respect to man, irrespective of class, race or creed is fundamental to the humanist attitude to life. Among the fundamental moral principles, he would count those of freedom, justice, tolerance and happiness…the attitude that people can live an honest, meaningful life without following a formal religious creed. Pears Cyclopaedia, 87th edition, 1978 Rejection of religion in favour of the advancement of humanity by its own efforts. - Collins Concise Dictionary Edited October 30, 2014 by sandymere Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 No offense lad but no.they cant be trusted to do that either,interpertation,i dont support religon,an dont interpret the bible its clearly written an i take it literally as its written! I dont think you can govern your lifes morals without an absolute,cause one mans good intetiions could be anothers mans hell,it just cant work,i get my guidance from ten commandments simple an fair! As you said about pride about being a goodman,how do you know your good if its your own doing it could be diff to your neighbors goodman,i mean its a recipe for disaster imo Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 LOL...... your interpretation of the Bible!..... and for every Christian there's a different interpretation, like it or lump it. Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 No offense lad but no.they cant be trusted to do that either,interpertation,i dont support religon,an dont interpret the bible its clearly written an i take it literally as its written! I dont think you can govern your lifes morals without an absolute,cause one mans good intetiions could be anothers mans hell,it just cant work,i get my guidance from ten commandments simple an fair! As you said about pride about being a goodman,how do you know your good if its your own doing it could be diff to your neighbors goodman,i mean its a recipe for disaster imo needing a cause is the reason things are the way they are, why do you need a cause to be a good person !!! Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Sandy its all MANS doing all the suffering is mans CHOICE that he was created with,imo anybody suffering is bad but theres certain laws in universe that cant be stopped. What i saying is that its all mans doing he was given a choice an they choose the darkness from the light an i cant see how its gods fault for the madness on earth! Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I'm off to hell, Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I'm off to hell, news flash, your already there Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,000 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Some interesting lines in your exerts from various dictionary's Sandymere........I particularly like the ones about: "Un enforced consensus " and "freedom, justice, tolerance and happiness" Which is all fine, so which part of any of that has been followed by the Labour Party in the last 20 odd years ?? Un enforced consensus........unless of course your not particularly fond of the act of homosexuality or you like a cigarette with your pint in the pub, or indeed you feel you know how to spend your own money best. Freedom.......like to go hunting with your dog as your ancestors have done for thousands of years you mean ? Justice........like being prosecuted for a "hate crime" for telling a joke or being watched by myriad cameras you mean ? Tolerance.......would that be the same as being happy that someone had worked hard enough to afford a house worth £2 million or that they should be penalised for it ? Happiness.......is that the same happiness the folk of Lincolnshire feel because their towns are full of Eastern Europeans getting pissed or that they don't understand a word being spoken in their own community anymore ? Yep, I guess if it's those things then your slate is clean matey !! Lol lol Edited October 30, 2014 by WILF Link to post Share on other sites
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