L.a. Dogs ...bbc 2

[Ideation 8,216]

Ok so would you not say that the guys guard / protection dog, is not doing what he wants in any given situation.

 

Case closed.

 

lol.

 

P.S - You added the extra "no matter if they are friend or foe they are getting nailed". Apparently not as accip is still alive to tell the tale

 

I love the way that you are RIGHT another mans dog isn't trained properly, because its not how you would have said dog. Despite the fact that the dog obviously ticks the boxes for its owner and from what accip says sounds well enough handled, socialised, trained etc.

 

But it's not how YOU would do it. SO it's totally idiotic

[fitchet 788]

Define control?

Can its owner call it off mid attack? That would be interesting to know.

Also depends I guess if the dog is like it with everyone or just strangers?

And if the dog lives as part of the family or just runs about as a guard when no ones there?

I have personally seen a GSD under six months do an almost perfect "out". The man who owns this dog has a few all trained to an extremely high standard they are impeccable around his kids and friends of his but a slight hand signal and you would have 3 or 4 dogs hanging off you. I think some on this thread are getting mixed up with a properly trained protection dog and a house guard that barks and may bite.atb

[baw 4,360]

Ok so would you not say that the guys guard / protection dog, is not doing what he wants in any given situation.

 

Case closed.

 

lol.

 

P.S - You added the extra "no matter if they are friend or foe they are getting nailed". Apparently not as accip is still alive to tell the tale

 

I love the way that you are RIGHT another mans dog isn't trained properly, because its not how you would have said dog. Despite the fact that the dog obviously ticks the boxes for its owner and from what accip says sounds well enough handled, socialised, trained etc.

 

But it's not how YOU would do it. SO it's totally idiotic

the dog isn't properly trained, the guy works around that by locking the dog away when guests arrive. See if you or your kid went to that house to buy something he had advertised and it maimed you, would you just say, it's ok pal, I know you have it under control, you've trained it properly. Don't worry about it biting off my face, it's my fault

[Ideation 8,216]

Well no. . . . . because assumedly. . . . that situation would not happen would it?

 

It's like me saying I have a dog trained to catch rabbits and return them to me. When its running rabbit I cannot stop it. . . . so is that untrained? Or is it trained because it's doing what I want it to in a given situation, as I do not require it to stop mid chase.

 

That same dog, to another man, who wanted a dog to flush to the gun, and so not chase . . . . . would be untrained, same situation, different requirement, and so different ideas of what 'trained' would be.

 

SO out of interest, why would me (or my kid) be busting into this guys house, when he either isn't there, or isn't expecting me there to 'buy' something. Sounds a bit like those nice men in white vans, with the vests and the mullets who are always offering to come round folks houses and 'buy' stuff

 

Just because a dog does not do what YOU would have it do in a situation, does not mean its un trained. imo.

[baw 4,360]

Well no. . . . . because assumedly. . . . that situation would not happen would it?

 

It's like me saying I have a dog trained to catch rabbits and return them to me. When its running rabbit I cannot stop it. . . . so is that untrained? Or is it trained because it's doing what I want it to in a given situation, as I do not require it to stop mid chase.

 

That same dog, to another man, who wanted a dog to flush to the gun, and so not chase . . . . . would be untrained, same situation, different requirement, and so different ideas of what 'trained' would be.

 

SO out of interest, why would me (or my kid) be busting into this guys house, when he either isn't there, or isn't expecting me there to 'buy' something. Sounds a bit like those nice men in white vans, with the vests and the mullets who are always offering to come round folks houses and 'buy' stuff

 

Just because a dog does not do what YOU would have it do in a situation, does not mean its un trained. imo.

Sigh we are going round in circles here...... What part of the guy has to lock the dog up when GUESTS come or it would nail them, don't you understand? This has to be easily the third time I've said this to you now so there must be a blockage somewhere..... Regarding the dog chasing the rabbit, that's the same scenario I gave you only I said hare. Yes the dogs trained, if said dog ran at a bush cos it heard a rabbit in it but a sheep came running out, I'd expect the dog to stop chasing because its TRAINED to chase rabbits. If a dog lives in a house and its job is to defend the property against INTRUDERS but can't tell the difference between an INTRUDER and a GUEST that the owner is there INVITING in, then I'd say that dog isn't trained properly. Right, I'm hoping that's sunk in but really I'm waiting on you coming back with, why would me and my kid want to barge into his house when he isn't there.......

[baw 4,360]

Well no. . . . . because assumedly. . . . that situation would not happen would it?

 

It's like me saying I have a dog trained to catch rabbits and return them to me. When its running rabbit I cannot stop it. . . . so is that untrained? Or is it trained because it's doing what I want it to in a given situation, as I do not require it to stop mid chase.

 

That same dog, to another man, who wanted a dog to flush to the gun, and so not chase . . . . . would be untrained, same situation, different requirement, and so different ideas of what 'trained' would be.

 

SO out of interest, why would me (or my kid) be busting into this guys house, when he either isn't there, or isn't expecting me there to 'buy' something. Sounds a bit like those nice men in white vans, with the vests and the mullets who are always offering to come round folks houses and 'buy' stuff

 

Just because a dog does not do what YOU would have it do in a situation, does not mean its un trained. imo.

Sigh we are going round in circles here...... What part of the guy has to lock the dog up when GUESTS come or it would nail them, don't you understand? This has to be easily the third time I've said this to you now so there must be a blockage somewhere..... Regarding the dog chasing the rabbit, that's the same scenario I gave you only I said hare. Yes the dogs trained, if said dog ran at a bush cos it heard a rabbit in it but a sheep came running out, I'd expect the dog to stop chasing because its TRAINED to chase rabbits. If a dog lives in a house and its job is to defend the property against INTRUDERS but can't tell the difference between an INTRUDER and a GUEST that the owner is there INVITING in, then I'd say that dog isn't trained properly. Right, I'm hoping that's sunk in but really I'm waiting on you coming back with, why would me and my kid want to barge into his house when he isn't there.......

[jasher 55]

 

Well no. . . . . because assumedly. . . . that situation would not happen would it?

 

It's like me saying I have a dog trained to catch rabbits and return them to me. When its running rabbit I cannot stop it. . . . so is that untrained? Or is it trained because it's doing what I want it to in a given situation, as I do not require it to stop mid chase.

 

That same dog, to another man, who wanted a dog to flush to the gun, and so not chase . . . . . would be untrained, same situation, different requirement, and so different ideas of what 'trained' would be.

 

SO out of interest, why would me (or my kid) be busting into this guys house, when he either isn't there, or isn't expecting me there to 'buy' something. Sounds a bit like those nice men in white vans, with the vests and the mullets who are always offering to come round folks houses and 'buy' stuff

 

Just because a dog does not do what YOU would have it do in a situation, does not mean its un trained. imo.

Sigh we are going round in circles here...... What part of the guy has to lock the dog up when GUESTS come or it would nail them, don't you understand? This has to be easily the third time I've said this to you now so there must be a blockage somewhere..... Regarding the dog chasing the rabbit, that's the same scenario I gave you only I said hare. Yes the dogs trained, if said dog ran at a bush cos it heard a rabbit in it but a sheep came running out, I'd expect the dog to stop chasing because its TRAINED to chase rabbits. If a dog lives in a house and its job is to defend the property against INTRUDERS but can't tell the difference between an INTRUDER and a GUEST that the owner is there INVITING in, then I'd say that dog isn't trained properly. Right, I'm hoping that's sunk in but really I'm waiting on you coming back with, why would me and my kid want to barge into his house when he isn't there.......

 

 

Your opinion might be that the dog hasn't been trained properly to the way you would train it....or even that through the training it's received that the dog may be a liability in some circumstances especially in a family home ...

 

However In this case the dog CAN tell the difference between an intruder and a guest by the definition that the owner has given the dog (trained the dog to react to)...i.e. Anyone in the property that the owner introduces the dog to is a guest .....anyone else the dog discovers in the property is an intruder.

It might not be the way you train a protection dog but it is an effcetive way of having such a dog differentiate between a guest and an inturder

[mushroom 12,393]

Jesus, don't bite you know what he's like :laugh:

 

Bawbag ya sweaty shit stirring cnut It's feckin Wednesday man give it a rest :laugh:

[TOMO 24,880]

Jesus, don't bite you know what he's like :laugh:

 

Bawbag ya sweaty shit stirring cnut It's feckin Wednesday man give it a rest :laugh:

Never,,,he won't give in ,,,,even when he's wrong he still thinks he's right,,,,,everyone on this thread can see that

[bird 9,594]

Thursday night itv 9pm dda , thinks it about pits here etc

[baw 4,360]

 

Jesus, don't bite you know what he's like :laugh:

 

Bawbag ya sweaty shit stirring cnut It's feckin Wednesday man give it a rest :laugh:

Never,,,he won't give in ,,,,even when he's wrong he still thinks he's right,,,,,everyone on this thread can see that

tomo, your getting better, you nearly had me there

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

Well no. . . . . because assumedly. . . . that situation would not happen would it?

 

It's like me saying I have a dog trained to catch rabbits and return them to me. When its running rabbit I cannot stop it. . . . so is that untrained? Or is it trained because it's doing what I want it to in a given situation, as I do not require it to stop mid chase.

 

That same dog, to another man, who wanted a dog to flush to the gun, and so not chase . . . . . would be untrained, same situation, different requirement, and so different ideas of what 'trained' would be.

 

SO out of interest, why would me (or my kid) be busting into this guys house, when he either isn't there, or isn't expecting me there to 'buy' something. Sounds a bit like those nice men in white vans, with the vests and the mullets who are always offering to come round folks houses and 'buy' stuff

 

Just because a dog does not do what YOU would have it do in a situation, does not mean its un trained. imo.

Sigh we are going round in circles here...... What part of the guy has to lock the dog up when GUESTS come or it would nail them, don't you understand? This has to be easily the third time I've said this to you now so there must be a blockage somewhere..... Regarding the dog chasing the rabbit, that's the same scenario I gave you only I said hare. Yes the dogs trained, if said dog ran at a bush cos it heard a rabbit in it but a sheep came running out, I'd expect the dog to stop chasing because its TRAINED to chase rabbits. If a dog lives in a house and its job is to defend the property against INTRUDERS but can't tell the difference between an INTRUDER and a GUEST that the owner is there INVITING in, then I'd say that dog isn't trained properly. Right, I'm hoping that's sunk in but really I'm waiting on you coming back with, why would me and my kid want to barge into his house when he isn't there.......

Your opinion might be that the dog hasn't been trained properly to the way you would train it....or even that through the training it's received that the dog may be a liability in some circumstances especially in a family home ...

 

However In this case the dog CAN tell the difference between an intruder and a guest by the definition that the owner has given the dog (trained the dog to react to)...i.e. Anyone in the property that the owner introduces the dog to is a guest .....anyone else the dog discovers in the property is an intruder.

It might not be the way you train a protection dog but it is an effcetive way of having such a dog differentiate between a guest and an inturder

Good points there mate. Ideation, you could learn from this guy, he knows how to get his point over.

[Ideation 8,216]

 

Classic BAW.

 

Even in admitting he is wrong, he'll still try to tell you you were.

[dare 1,103]

Never seen one in real life but few photos of those boerboels that I've seen and I like the look of em. No dought few years time though they'd be another breed ruined for the money through poor breeding.

[baw 4,360]

 

Classic BAW.

 

Even in admitting he is wrong, he'll still try to tell you you were.

I never admitted I was wrong, merely pointing out the guy puts his point over very well, unlike you I still maintain that if a dogs owner is present and it attacks a guest of the owner, the dog is out of the owners control and isn't trained properly. Putting the dog away and introducing it to guests who have to be sitting down might get round the problem just like running a sheep killing dog in areas without sheep, but it's still not 100% trustworthy