baw 4,360 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 These driven Hare days is all about pound notes not control Shooting 300-600 hares on a Estate in a day aint control its slaughter . How can anyone think that's right. And I'm sure Hares were Coursed by hounds long before they were shot at. I can condone one for the Pot shooters but Shooting hares in the name of Sport ' Na never. Like I say bring back Coursing as A way to Control Hare numbers its cleaner and more selective. Totally beneficial to the Hare where as shooting aint in any way shape or form. Money money money. Max, how many of these hare shoots do you personally know of mate to make that sort of claim? You haven't a clue. Come down to Lincs, drop ya anti shooting prejudices and try engaging in conversation with some of the sportsmen down here. The ones I know of are mostly free to the guns, invitation usually between DIY syndicates, beaters, farmers etc. It's pest control and 1000 hares may be taken over 4 saturdays EVERY YEAR! You say a 1000 hares EVERY YEAR! How many years do you personally know this to be the case? I can mind you asking a guy on here for proof of pheasants being dumped. Can you give proof of your claim of a 1000 hares EVERY YEAR? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 These driven Hare days is all about pound notes not control Shooting 300-600 hares on a Estate in a day aint control its slaughter . How can anyone think that's right. And I'm sure Hares were Coursed by hounds long before they were shot at. I can condone one for the Pot shooters but Shooting hares in the name of Sport ' Na never. Like I say bring back Coursing as A way to Control Hare numbers its cleaner and more selective. Totally beneficial to the Hare where as shooting aint in any way shape or form. Money money money. Max, how many of these hare shoots do you personally know of mate to make that sort of claim? You haven't a clue. Come down to Lincs, drop ya anti shooting prejudices and try engaging in conversation with some of the sportsmen down here. The ones I know of are mostly free to the guns, invitation usually between DIY syndicates, beaters, farmers etc. It's pest control and 1000 hares may be taken over 4 saturdays EVERY YEAR! You say a 1000 hares EVERY YEAR! How many years do you personally know this to be the case? I can mind you asking a guy on here for proof of pheasants being dumped. Can you give proof of your claim of a 1000 hares EVERY YEAR? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 All the nonsense about who's better than who, who's got more rights than who is bollix. Nobody owns a wild animal they're just wild so their fair game to anyone, so stop all the infighting and stick together Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,909 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 These driven Hare days is all about pound notes not control Shooting 300-600 hares on a Estate in a day aint control its slaughter . How can anyone think that's right. And I'm sure Hares were Coursed by hounds long before they were shot at. I can condone one for the Pot shooters but Shooting hares in the name of Sport ' Na never. Like I say bring back Coursing as A way to Control Hare numbers its cleaner and more selective. Totally beneficial to the Hare where as shooting aint in any way shape or form. Money money money. Max, how many of these hare shoots do you personally know of mate to make that sort of claim? You haven't a clue. Come down to Lincs, drop ya anti shooting prejudices and try engaging in conversation with some of the sportsmen down here. The ones I know of are mostly free to the guns, invitation usually between DIY syndicates, beaters, farmers etc. It's pest control and 1000 hares may be taken over 4 saturdays EVERY YEAR! You say a 1000 hares EVERY YEAR! How many years do you personally know this to be the case? I can mind you asking a guy on here for proof of pheasants being dumped. Can you give proof of your claim of a 1000 hares EVERY YEAR? Hare shoots have been going on for decades, do I need to prove that? I've been hearing from mates that partake in driven hare shooting of such numbers for as long as I have known them. 1000 hares is probably a bumper harvest for them, but certainly 4-500 annualy. You want a chart of numbers shot on these estates going back 50 years or more? LOL. FFS there's enough articles and reports out there to substantiate these claim without having to provide concrete proof. That's the difference, on dumping 'huge' amounts of pheasants there nothing, just rumours passed between antis. Considering antis can infiltrate dog fighting gangs and film badger diggers, you'd thinkl there'd be at least one photo of these mass graves wouldn't you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny 2 367 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Watched a few of these driven hare shoots on yt,its the wounding that I don't like.Then theres the guy in this vid karate chopping at that hare ffs no respect for the hare. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 These driven Hare days is all about pound notes not control Shooting 300-600 hares on a Estate in a day aint control its slaughter . How can anyone think that's right. And I'm sure Hares were Coursed by hounds long before they were shot at. I can condone one for the Pot shooters but Shooting hares in the name of Sport ' Na never. Like I say bring back Coursing as A way to Control Hare numbers its cleaner and more selective. Totally beneficial to the Hare where as shooting aint in any way shape or form. Money money money. Max, how many of these hare shoots do you personally know of mate to make that sort of claim? You haven't a clue. Come down to Lincs, drop ya anti shooting prejudices and try engaging in conversation with some of the sportsmen down here. The ones I know of are mostly free to the guns, invitation usually between DIY syndicates, beaters, farmers etc. It's pest control and 1000 hares may be taken over 4 saturdays EVERY YEAR! You say a 1000 hares EVERY YEAR! How many years do you personally know this to be the case? I can mind you asking a guy on here for proof of pheasants being dumped. Can you give proof of your claim of a 1000 hares EVERY YEAR? Hare shoots have been going on for decades, do I need to prove that? I've been hearing from mates that partake in driven hare shooting of such numbers for as long as I have known them. 1000 hares is probably a bumper harvest for them, but certainly 4-500 annualy. You want a chart of numbers shot on these estates going back 50 years or more? LOL. FFS there's enough articles and reports out there to substantiate these claim without having to provide concrete proof. That's the difference, on dumping 'huge' amounts of pheasants there nothing, just rumours passed between antis. Considering antis can infiltrate dog fighting gangs and film badger diggers, you'd thinkl there'd be at least one photo of these mass graves wouldn't you? Fucksake that 1000 hares EVERY YEARhas just halfed in a blink of an eye I'll leave it at that mate, another few posts and they'll be reintroducing hares instead of shooting them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,909 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 LOL, but you accept that the hare shoots are sustainable? Large numbers of hares shot every year numbering as many as 1000 and have been for decades. In the bad old days of land management hare numbers dropped but in the last 20 years are recovering and yet hare shoots have been about all this time..... But of course that wasn't my point, but you decided to focus on that anyway. Fat rich shooters eh.... ironic because the driven hare shoots don't see many fat or particularly wealthy people, on the main its a tradition carried out by the working classes and the fit amongst them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 1 is too many. I don't care if shooting a 1000 is sustainable, it don't make it right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 3,048 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Im a person who shoots and for dogmen to critisise shooting men is not very conducive to hunting is it. Never shot a hare and never will not because I'm against it just something about it personally to me. If others want to shoot hares then crack on as long as the numbers are not excessive. Wholesale slaughter of any creature does not sit right with me. P.S No skill in running dogs any how Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,909 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Well knowing me Knowing you Mik You didn't think the wholesale slaughter of Hares Would sit well with me did you lol There is no reasoning behind it If farmers want numbers reduced let lads with birds and dogs do it in a mannor that's beneficial to the quarry species in question . Max, I can relate to what you're saying. The dog tests the hare and when hunting is correctly carried out is beneficial to the hare population. But emotions aside, this is population control in the period of 1 month. Realistically, hunting (even if it was legal) will not give you that level of reduction unless lads are running hares all day every day through Feb. To me that level of harrasment is no more ethical than shooting them. Why don't you have the same emotional response to ferreting or shooting rabbits? Should we ban the ferreting and shooting of rabbits because neither are a test of a rabbit like a daytime hunt is? Lets face it, a good ferret doesn't leave rabbits in a warren, it's as much of a test of the rabbit as a rifle is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alimac2 321 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Why is it lurcher lads, in general, think there the only ones allowed to kill a hare ?? Between the lads who wreck fences crops etc in pursuit of a bit of sport & the crop damage the numbers of hares being talked about can do. There's no wonder that farmers want them thinned right out & not just lightly controlled, can I blame them, no!! . . Sadly dogs running hares has been rotted from the inside by a few & in turn ruined it for the rest... Iv terriers & lurchers, work them 6 days a week & used my gun once in the last two years , so don't give me the "you shooting wanker crap" ;-) A few hare days are indeed sold but alot are average blokes getting out for a shot as a way of thanks from the keeper / farmer. Even if money is involved, the out come is the same as it would be if days weren't sold. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,857 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 These driven Hare days is all about pound notes not control Shooting 300-600 hares on a Estate in a day aint control its slaughter . How can anyone think that's right. And I'm sure Hares were Coursed by hounds long before they were shot at. I can condone one for the Pot shooters but Shooting hares in the name of Sport ' Na never. Like I say bring back Coursing as A way to Control Hare numbers its cleaner and more selective. Totally beneficial to the Hare where as shooting aint in any way shape or form. Money money money. Max, how many of these hare shoots do you personally know of mate to make that sort of claim? You haven't a clue. Come down to Lincs, drop ya anti shooting prejudices and try engaging in conversation with some of the sportsmen down here. The ones I know of are mostly free to the guns, invitation usually between DIY syndicates, beaters, farmers etc. It's pest control and 1000 hares may be taken over 4 saturdays EVERY YEAR! You say a 1000 hares EVERY YEAR! How many years do you personally know this to be the case? I can mind you asking a guy on here for proof of pheasants being dumped. Can you give proof of your claim of a 1000 hares EVERY YEAR? Hare shoots have been going on for decades, do I need to prove that? I've been hearing from mates that partake in driven hare shooting of such numbers for as long as I have known them. 1000 hares is probably a bumper harvest for them, but certainly 4-500 annualy. You want a chart of numbers shot on these estates going back 50 years or more? LOL. FFS there's enough articles and reports out there to substantiate these claim without having to provide concrete proof. That's the difference, on dumping 'huge' amounts of pheasants there nothing, just rumours passed between antis. Considering antis can infiltrate dog fighting gangs and film badger diggers, you'd thinkl there'd be at least one photo of these mass graves wouldn't you? Fucksake that 1000 hares EVERY YEARhas just halfed in a blink of an eye I'll leave it at that mate, another few posts and they'll be reintroducing hares instead of shooting them I'm a hunting man and the thought of hare shoots makes me sick but when there are so many hares in some areas then thats how its done. I agree more should be done to transport them to other areas and shooting bodies should issue guidelines on that and set up a system to facilitate it but if there are enough hares then take a harvest no problem, again i done like it that way but coursing would never be able to reduce the number needed in some areas. Iv hunted on an estate on the east coast and they have a number of hare shoots with 200-300 a time so 1000 per year every year is possible and sustainable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 the threat to the hare is farming practises and predation, the explosion in the buzzard population is going to have an effect on leveret survival rates, hare numbers had dropped by 75% in the `s but with the introduction of set-aside and early agri-environment schemes, numbers appeared to stabilise. in the last 25 years they have stabalised at a level of about 50%, On the GWCT’s Allerton Project Farm at Loddington, hare numbers increased 10-fold once a diverse range of habitats had been created, together with good fox control by the gamekeeper. so if you want to see an increase in hares then the land has to be managed and that im sorry to say includes culling hare when there numbers reach levels that have an unsustainable economic effect on the management of that land, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,857 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 As much as shooting hares and foxes for 'sport' pissses me off cos I prefare hunting the only time I would criticise it on a public forum is when its being done for sport and pest control used as an excuse or if it affects another mans sport on neighbouring land. Estates that shoot numbers of hares each year for generations normally have the habitat and land management that suits hares so thats up to them how they control them. They can box some up and send up over our way if they like though! I think its a different issue to the night hunters that shoot foxes for 'pest control' when they are feeding cubs, are on dairy farms or on land they even pay to get fox shooting on, then they even convince themselves its pest control even though the land is over run with crows and other vermin. Hare shoots harvest the result of good land management even if it sickens us that struggle to keep numbers of hares in areas with other pressures keeping numbers low. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 no point in moving hares to an area with low numbers unless to sort the reason there not already there in numbers otherwise your just condemning them to another death. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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