Countryfile Report On Halal And Kosha Meat

[Pedwar 320]

I worked in a small slaughterhouse before stunning was made law, the slaughterman would slit the throats of about 6 sheep at a time and let them bleed out on the floor, now I dont know if the rest of the sheep could smell death or knew what was coming but they knew that what was happening to the 1s laying on the floor bleeding to death wasnt a nice thing and they'd be stressed and panicky til it was them laying on the floor

[clipo 871]

Cant you legally slaughter your own sheep on your own land???

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

Fear of death go hand in hand mate, unless you think animals fear spiders lol.

So what your saying is they go to slaughter house and there crying out "were gonna die"...and when they go to market there wandering about quiet like it's a day out shopping in Edinburgh???

Pretty much. I've been to the royal highland show countless times, all breeds of animals there, nice and relaxed. Admitted, I've only been to the slaughter house say a dozen times and the animals are far from quiet. Even at animal auctions, the ATMOSPHERE is different. Animals are more intelligent and can sense better than your giving them credit for. Do you think they stand in a que at the slaughter house and say, oh there's Larry getting killed, rip old lad, glad it ain't me. They know what's happening alright. Read birds posts, he's stared them in the face.

The Royal Highland Show...aye that's similar..lol

 

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree.......I don't think they smell death or sense it. They don't go to slaughter houses for a walk around then go home again so there's no way of working out that a slaughter house is bad news.

I think folk are getting fear and the sense of "what's coming next" mixed up.

If you sensed death would you try everything on your power to escape? Why don't cows struggle all the way? They are walked into pens with a guy with a stick....would you rather die or take him on?

How many guards to prisoners were there in auschwitz, 1-100? Some animals do escape mate or did, it was a normal occurrence years ago. Anyhow, who gives a f**k

[jasher 55]

Cant you legally slaughter your own sheep on your own land???

 

As I understand it yes you can but it has to be for your own and families (direct family) consumption I'm sure there is something about that you can't sell or even give it away to anyone friends and family included.

[mushroom 14,023]

 

Cant you legally slaughter your own sheep on your own land???

 

As I understand it yes you can but it has to be for your own and families (direct family) consumption I'm sure there is something about that you can't sell or even give it away to anyone friends and family included.

 

Any crofters on here should be able to answer this

[Huan72 687]

Slaughterhouses are a way of processing animals for food on a large scale, no more, no less. I have no first hand experience of the goings on in such places so have to relate the deaths of animals to what I do know. Dogs for example, it is well known and common practice that you do not PTS dogs in front of other dogs. We consider emotion unique to us but what are emotions, a set of electrical, chemical and biological reactions that vary to the circumstance we find ourselves in and the way our brains were created during birth and developed through life. We philosophise and wonder at the stars granted and can show altruism towards others, both animal and human but how do we display this, by the action of helping others. We are not alone in this either, there are well documented cases of animal species helping not only others of their own species but others of different species. I am not talking about joint fishing by men and dolphins etc, I am referring to situations were animals have put themselves in harms way for the sake of a human or humans. Dolphins have put themselves in harms way to help humans escape shark attack, there is a well documented case from New Zealand where a dolphin pod surrounded a family who were the subject of shark activity and kept around them until they reached shore. Another example is of a cattle herd that after a bull attacked the farmer, surrounded the farmer and moved with him until he could escape the field and in that situation some of the cattle involved had to be PTS due to their injuries. We are all based around biology, chemistry and physics, why do we think that we are so different to animals, we are literally all made from the same stuff.

[unlacedgecko 1,467]

 

Cant you legally slaughter your own sheep on your own land???

 

As I understand it yes you can but it has to be for your own and families (direct family) consumption I'm sure there is something about that you can't sell or even give it away to anyone friends and family included.

 

 

 

 

Cant you legally slaughter your own sheep on your own land???

 

As I understand it yes you can but it has to be for your own and families (direct family) consumption I'm sure there is something about that you can't sell or even give it away to anyone friends and family included.

 

Any crofters on here should be able to answer this

 

 

I'm no crofter but home slaughter on any animal is perfectly legal for any body to undertake (as long as it is their animal), provided all legislation is complied with. This pdf contains most of the key information;

 

http://www.food.gov.uk/business-industry/guidancenotes/meatregsguid/home-slaughter-livestock/livestockguidance/home-killguide.pdf

 

Obviously you would also have to comply with any slaughtering tool legislation (eg FAC, SGC etc).

 

Its pretty easy to do to be honest. I did a pig a week or so ago. It all went for dog food, so didn't have the hassle of scraping the hair, and the butchery was amateur in the extreme, but the principal is the same as a deer and I've done plenty of them. This is an excellent book for anyone wanting to process their own livestock. BORDERSCOTdoes plenty of his own as well.

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Basic-Butchering-Livestock-Game-Mettler/dp/0882663917

[mushroom 14,023]

 

 

Cant you legally slaughter your own sheep on your own land???

 

As I understand it yes you can but it has to be for your own and families (direct family) consumption I'm sure there is something about that you can't sell or even give it away to anyone friends and family included.

 

 

 

 

Cant you legally slaughter your own sheep on your own land???

 

As I understand it yes you can but it has to be for your own and families (direct family) consumption I'm sure there is something about that you can't sell or even give it away to anyone friends and family included.

 

Any crofters on here should be able to answer this

 

 

I'm no crofter but home slaughter on any animal is perfectly legal for any body to undertake (as long as it is their animal), provided all legislation is complied with. This pdf contains most of the key information;

 

http://www.food.gov.uk/business-industry/guidancenotes/meatregsguid/home-slaughter-livestock/livestockguidance/home-killguide.pdf

 

Obviously you would also have to comply with any slaughtering tool legislation (eg FAC, SGC etc).

 

Its pretty easy to do to be honest. I did a pig a week or so ago. It all went for dog food, so didn't have the hassle of scraping the hair, and the butchery was amateur in the extreme, but the principal is the same as a deer and I've done plenty of them. This is an excellent book for anyone wanting to process their own livestock. BORDERSCOTdoes plenty of his own as well.

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Basic-Butchering-Livestock-Game-Mettler/dp/0882663917

 

Just ordered it

[Born Hunter 17,909]

You getting desperate shroom?............. Having to slaughter your own pigs now just to get a decent banger?

[mushroom 14,023]

You getting desperate shroom?............. Having to slaughter your own pigs now just to get a decent banger?

Feckin Damn right I'm gonna get a pig and raise it on my terrace :laugh:

 

 

Never go wrong with this type of book

[scothunter 12,609]

It can be argued they do have an idea, but my logic is they have no concept of what an abbotoir is., nor death, and more importantly a bolt gun. So therefore no they don't know.

 

But as I seen daily after arriving under stress from journey, incidentally a journey that under law requires them to be treated better humans. Then when they arrive the smell and sights It does raise there stress levels.

But when you place that bolt gun on them there none the wiser, seriously it's that quick the sides of beef are moving like f**k on the hooks as they go down the process. Lol rather bizzare seeing it for first time.

We in the uk care and respect for the animals we slaughter. However one day a week at our place, some member of the tribe would strut about like he was some important c**t. Chanting some shit as he cuts some terrified hung upside down beast.

I strongly feel religion should no way supersed any welfare act, let's face it here it's not up for debate an animal can and will suffer , religion we'll it can strongly be argued that it's just pie on the sky. You can't eat British slaughters beef. Oh well f**k off to a Muslim country then. See if we care.

[paulus 26]

i strongly believe that the basis of religious beliefs was an instruction manual on how to survive at the time it was written and an attempt at building a society . now fast forward a thousand years or so and parts of it are no longer relevant in today's society. this is the same for all religions and its what along with reading what you want to see in chapters from the book and you get the foundation of what we call extremism. any religion that does not reflect the changes in society is just going to hold back humankind's advancement .

[baw 4,360]

i strongly believe that the basis of religious beliefs was an instruction manual on how to survive at the time it was written and an attempt at building a society . now fast forward a thousand years or so and parts of it are no longer relevant in today's society. this is the same for all religions and its what along with reading what you want to see in chapters from the book and you get the foundation of what we call extremism. any religion that does not reflect the changes in society is just going to hold back humankind's advancement .

Amen to that

[paulus 26]

 

i strongly believe that the basis of religious beliefs was an instruction manual on how to survive at the time it was written and an attempt at building a society . now fast forward a thousand years or so and parts of it are no longer relevant in today's society. this is the same for all religions and its what along with reading what you want to see in chapters from the book and you get the foundation of what we call extremism. any religion that does not reflect the changes in society is just going to hold back humankind's advancement .

Amen to that

 

at the time of typing that i must look like i work at a slaughter house, i am covered in blood after having to gaffer tape a shit house roll on the dogs tail after i shut it in the van door

[Country Joe 1,411]

I used to have Sheep and British Farmers love Ramadam, as at the end the prices go way up for cast ewes,

they know where they are going, and they know how they will be slaughtered.