Am I In A Minority?.

[gnasher16 29,685]

yeh it ain't a nice trait but no where near as bad as greed ALL the business owners that pay low wages knowing they

will be topped up by the state, while they pay themselves massive wages thus being subsidized indirectly the same

moaning about how the mines & such where subsidized,i don't wish for people not to do well or think those at the top

should be payed the same as them at the bottom but the wealth needs to be spread a little more evenly.jealousy and

greed are far more preverlant with the haves than the have nots the more they have the more they want

I dont agree with that at all...........but i,ll bail out of this conversation,your entitled to your opinion

[twobob 1,458]

 

 

 

Im glad lifes worked out for you,and you have a comfortable lifestyle I got fed up doing a shit job for shit money,went to college did my electrical quals and got a better job....I wasn't happy with the job even though it was very well paid I decided to go back to my trade (ceramic tiler) I steadily built the business up over years and had apprentices,put them through college and ensured they were financially sound (above and beyond wages,car loans ,house deposits etc) in 2006 the country was flooded with European builders,working for peanuts and taking all the work due to there low prices.I found myself with a choice to make.....employ them or face going under...I chose the latter....and lost EVERYTHING....does this entitle me to destroy what others have built....NO...am I pissed off , VERY .ALL my choice and I live with the consequences,a riot will change none of the above...

There are far more working class people than middle and upper class put together,so how has it not been possible to get a goverment that represents the majority?.Its my kids who i despair for,my two lads are in the forces and both have been threatened with redundancy.My two daughters are in university one learning to be a social worker and the other studying to be a school teacher.I know of university graduates that cant get a job and have to work behind a bar,or do telesales,or even both.Thats not their fault they would love to do the job that they went to 6th form for,then 4 years at university or 7 for a masters and for what?.

 

I hate to be the one to burst the bubble here but so what if your children have degrees, if there aren't the jobs available for their chosen career then there aren't any jobs but there isn't anything to stop them using a bit of that well trained grey matter and creating a job or just taking a step sideways.

 

Let's have a look at what they are studying:

 

Social Worker: This is an easy one.

 

Probation Officer.

Prison Advisor

Youth Offending Officer

Learning Disability Support Officer

Child/Adult care worker

 

These are just of the top of my bonce but there is a whole range if you do a search (took 3seconds)

 

Job options

Jobs directly related to your degree include:

• Social worker
• Probation officer (Northern Ireland)

Many social workers are employed by local authority children's or adult services undertaking statutory work (required by government legislation).

Local authority roles in children's teams include family support work, child protection, working with looked-after children (foster care), adoption and school attendance (education social worker). In adult teams, opportunities include mental health and substance misuse work.

Social workers also work with the elderly, those with physical or learning disabilities, in residential and day-care facilities, in criminal justice work, housing and community projects and with the homeless. It is possible to work your way up into management positions, such as safeguarding or care manager. For the range of job opportunities, see the British Association of Social Workers .

In Northern Ireland, a social work degree is required to become a probation officer.

The practical skills and work experience gained on a social work degree are also relevant to a range of other social care and advice roles:

• Adult guidance worker
• Advice worker
• Careers adviser
• Charity officer
• Community development worker
• Counsellor
• Equality and diversity officer
• Psychotherapist
• Volunteer coordinator
• Youth worker

You may need further training/qualifications or specific work experience with children or older people for some of these jobs.

Remember that many employers accept applications from graduates with any degree subject, so don't restrict your thinking to the jobs listed here.

 

That daughter is pretty safe when it comes to different paths.

 

Teacher: Specialised but not limited.

 

Support Worker.

Training Delivery - both public and private sector.

 

Another 3 second search:

 

Jobs directly related to your degree

• Primary school teacher - teaches a range of subjects to a class of pupils from the age range 4 -11 years and may have responsibility for delivering a particular subject across the school (e.g. music).
• Secondary school teacher - teaches one or more national curriculum subjects to classes of pupils aged 11-16 or 11-18.
• Early years teacher - fosters and develops the abilities, social skills and understanding of children aged three to five years, focusing on optimum child development and preparation for a successful transition to primary school education.
• Special educational needs teacher - teaches children with emotional, behavioural or learning difficulties at one or more stages in the SEN Code of Practice. They are also involved in identifying all levels of need.
• Further education lecturer - usually teaches a specific subject to students over 16 but increasingly to 14-19 year olds.
• Adult education lecturer - teaches specific subject areas to adults either within educational settings, in the community and increasingly through distance/remote learning
• Community education officer - works to promote and facilitate access to a wide range of voluntary educational activities by all members of the community, regardless of age.
• Youth worker - supports and encourages young people to become involved in local ‘informal’ educational activities.
• Education administrator - organises and oversees administrative activities and systems that support and facilitate the smooth running of an education institution. The majority are based in higher or further education, but opportunities are increasingly available in schools and private colleges.

Jobs where your degree would be useful

• Learning mentor - provides a complementary service to teachers and other staff, addressing the needs of children who require assistance in overcoming barriers to learning in order to achieve their full potential.
• Careers adviser - provides information, advice and guidance (IAG) inside and outside education. Advisers are employed to ensure that people (especially young people aged 13-19) achieve their full potential.
• Museum education officer - a museum education officer is responsible for realising the potential of the museum collections as learning resources and developing learning opportunities.
• Social worker - often works with people experiencing crisis or people who are socially excluded with the aim of providing support to enable service users to help themselves. Social workers maintain professional relationships with service users, acting as a guide, advocate or as a critical friend.
• Training and development officer - manages the learning of an organisation's workforce, delivering training sessions to participants or, in a more senior role, devises a training strategy for the organisation.

 

 

NOw, just because you have a degree doesn't mean you are GUARANTEED a job, it is merely a string to your bow that the other folk applying might not have. What is wrong with working in a bar, a shop, a supermarket or wherever just because you have a degree? You are at least working and have work history with a wwork record, references and shows a willigness to work as well as gaining skills and being able to transfer these to your new role.

 

I used to be a barman, before that I worked in McDonalds, was a labourer and then spent all day just photocopying stuff. I'm now a senior IP Network Engineer specialising in wide area networks that cover the UK. I never went to University I just saved up and did courses for where I saw potential growth. I became stagnant in my current role so I saved up again and became qualified in a trade so I will always have a job for life (MOD lads were doing the same course too who got made redundant ) so I do my main job during the day and I do my trade on an evening and weekend or if it's a big job I take annual leave (double pay, bonus!). Am I doing my dream job? Not at all because there aren't any jobs going in that area. Am I doing my second choice job? No. I've got loads of qualifications from all manner of things that will stand me in good stead of finding a job in loads of different roles and the vast majority of skills transfer regardless.

 

A degree is a tool, not a guarantee.

don't know about a degree being a tool but you sound like one,youth unemployment is running at over 25 % last

i heard & rising & that's not realistic figure as it's from the government so do all these kids not want to work

would they not take any of the jobs you have listed

iam sure alot of these young people want to work just look at the cards they need to even get on site ccdo/cscs asbestos awareness and everyother fxcking card if they are not working how are they going to pay for the cards they need. If somebody in government really wanted to help these young people why not waver the card bxllocks for three month put them under supervision they would have the money for the card then if they wanted to continue if not atleast they have had some experience of work and pay them the going rate

[NEWKID 26,261]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im glad lifes worked out for you,and you have a comfortable lifestyle I got fed up doing a shit job for shit money,went to college did my electrical quals and got a better job....I wasn't happy with the job even though it was very well paid I decided to go back to my trade (ceramic tiler) I steadily built the business up over years and had apprentices,put them through college and ensured they were financially sound (above and beyond wages,car loans ,house deposits etc) in 2006 the country was flooded with European builders,working for peanuts and taking all the work due to there low prices.I found myself with a choice to make.....employ them or face going under...I chose the latter....and lost EVERYTHING....does this entitle me to destroy what others have built....NO...am I pissed off , VERY .ALL my choice and I live with the consequences,a riot will change none of the above...

 

There are far more working class people than middle and upper class put together,so how has it not been possible to get a goverment that represents the majority?.Its my kids who i despair for,my two lads are in the forces and both have been threatened with redundancy.My two daughters are in university one learning to be a social worker and the other studying to be a school teacher.I know of university graduates that cant get a job and have to work behind a bar,or do telesales,or even both.Thats not their fault they would love to do the job that they went to 6th form for,then 4 years at university or 7 for a masters and for what?.

I hate to be the one to burst the bubble here but so what if your children have degrees, if there aren't the jobs available for their chosen career then there aren't any jobs but there isn't anything to stop them using a bit of that well trained grey matter and creating a job or just taking a step sideways.

 

Let's have a look at what they are studying:

 

Social Worker: This is an easy one.

 

Probation Officer.

Prison Advisor

Youth Offending Officer

Learning Disability Support Officer

Child/Adult care worker

 

These are just of the top of my bonce but there is a whole range if you do a search (took 3seconds)

 

Job options

Jobs directly related to your degree include:

• Social worker
• Probation officer (Northern Ireland)

Many social workers are employed by local authority children's or adult services undertaking statutory work (required by government legislation).

Local authority roles in children's teams include family support work, child protection, working with looked-after children (foster care), adoption and school attendance (education social worker). In adult teams, opportunities include mental health and substance misuse work.

Social workers also work with the elderly, those with physical or learning disabilities, in residential and day-care facilities, in criminal justice work, housing and community projects and with the homeless. It is possible to work your way up into management positions, such as safeguarding or care manager. For the range of job opportunities, see the British Association of Social Workers .

In Northern Ireland, a social work degree is required to become a probation officer.

The practical skills and work experience gained on a social work degree are also relevant to a range of other social care and advice roles:

• Adult guidance worker
• Advice worker
• Careers adviser
• Charity officer
• Community development worker
• Counsellor
• Equality and diversity officer
• Psychotherapist
• Volunteer coordinator
• Youth worker

You may need further training/qualifications or specific work experience with children or older people for some of these jobs.

Remember that many employers accept applications from graduates with any degree subject, so don't restrict your thinking to the jobs listed here.

 

That daughter is pretty safe when it comes to different paths.

 

Teacher: Specialised but not limited.

 

Support Worker.

Training Delivery - both public and private sector.

 

Another 3 second search:

 

Jobs directly related to your degree

• Primary school teacher - teaches a range of subjects to a class of pupils from the age range 4 -11 years and may have responsibility for delivering a particular subject across the school (e.g. music).
• Secondary school teacher - teaches one or more national curriculum subjects to classes of pupils aged 11-16 or 11-18.
• Early years teacher - fosters and develops the abilities, social skills and understanding of children aged three to five years, focusing on optimum child development and preparation for a successful transition to primary school education.
• Special educational needs teacher - teaches children with emotional, behavioural or learning difficulties at one or more stages in the SEN Code of Practice. They are also involved in identifying all levels of need.
• Further education lecturer - usually teaches a specific subject to students over 16 but increasingly to 14-19 year olds.
• Adult education lecturer - teaches specific subject areas to adults either within educational settings, in the community and increasingly through distance/remote learning
• Community education officer - works to promote and facilitate access to a wide range of voluntary educational activities by all members of the community, regardless of age.
• Youth worker - supports and encourages young people to become involved in local ‘informal’ educational activities.
• Education administrator - organises and oversees administrative activities and systems that support and facilitate the smooth running of an education institution. The majority are based in higher or further education, but opportunities are increasingly available in schools and private colleges.

Jobs where your degree would be useful

• Learning mentor - provides a complementary service to teachers and other staff, addressing the needs of children who require assistance in overcoming barriers to learning in order to achieve their full potential.
• Careers adviser - provides information, advice and guidance (IAG) inside and outside education. Advisers are employed to ensure that people (especially young people aged 13-19) achieve their full potential.
• Museum education officer - a museum education officer is responsible for realising the potential of the museum collections as learning resources and developing learning opportunities.
• Social worker - often works with people experiencing crisis or people who are socially excluded with the aim of providing support to enable service users to help themselves. Social workers maintain professional relationships with service users, acting as a guide, advocate or as a critical friend.
• Training and development officer - manages the learning of an organisation's workforce, delivering training sessions to participants or, in a more senior role, devises a training strategy for the organisation.

 

NOw, just because you have a degree doesn't mean you are GUARANTEED a job, it is merely a string to your bow that the other folk applying might not have. What is wrong with working in a bar, a shop, a supermarket or wherever just because you have a degree? You are at least working and have work history with a wwork record, references and shows a willigness to work as well as gaining skills and being able to transfer these to your new role.

 

I used to be a barman, before that I worked in McDonalds, was a labourer and then spent all day just photocopying stuff. I'm now a senior IP Network Engineer specialising in wide area networks that cover the UK. I never went to University I just saved up and did courses for where I saw potential growth. I became stagnant in my current role so I saved up again and became qualified in a trade so I will always have a job for life (MOD lads were doing the same course too who got made redundant ) so I do my main job during the day and I do my trade on an evening and weekend or if it's a big job I take annual leave (double pay, bonus!). Am I doing my dream job? Not at all because there aren't any jobs going in that area. Am I doing my second choice job? No. I've got loads of qualifications from all manner of things that will stand me in good stead of finding a job in loads of different roles and the vast majority of skills transfer regardless.

 

A degree is a tool, not a guarantee.

don't know about a degree being a tool but you sound like one,youth unemployment is running at over 25 % last

i heard & rising & that's not realistic figure as it's from the government so do all these kids not want to work

would they not take any of the jobs you have listed

iam sure alot of these young people want to work just look at the cards they need to even get on site ccdo/cscs asbestos awareness and everyother fxcking card if they are not working how are they going to pay for the cards they need. If somebody in government really wanted to help these young people why not waver the card bxllocks for three month put them under supervision they would have the money for the card then if they wanted to continue if not atleast they have had some experience of work and pay them the going rate

Got to agree with that mate, the cost of getting a lad on site now is killing the building trade

 

In the last month, we've had to put lads through cscs, asbestos awareness, ipaf, itsar ( tele handler), 4 ( inc me an i hate it ) on a NVQ in management so we can get SSS site card for site supervision ( can't get on a big main contractors site without at least 1 in a gang having it), working at heights cards, plus the sky high public liability, employers liability, contractors all risk and every other insurance you've got to show.... We now pay £1200.00 a year to an outside safety company ( ssg) to make sure we're covered.... The days of rolling onto site with your bag of tools and experience is long gone I'm afraid...

[twobob 1,458]

it wouldnt be so bad if thecards lasted allthe same lengh of time slinger/banksman 3yr moblie work platforms 5yr pasma mobile access tower 5yr asbestos awareness 1 fcukin yr its a joke.Working in manchester on demolition jobs all over but if the young lads not got cards the not getting jobs must be frustrating as fxck for them,the other thing to this is if you dont get young people going in to building/demo we whos going to do it in the future another surge in migrant workers?

[mr scent 665]

Iv just started a dirty protest in my bedroom

[gonetoearth 5,144]

All the card in force are money making scams no more no less.

[GEOFF.223 83]

im 25 and have been in and out of work for over 2 years now.

 

i started working on power stations and heavy industrial engineering jobs my first years salary was 36,000 after tax yes i worked alot of hours and worked away from home.

 

As a genuine hard work person who will happily work hrs a week + sell cars and whatever else i can turn my hand to tat keep myself going, but at this current time no matter how hard i try i can not get a job to any form of description i previously did.

 

And the jobs that are available to me the wages are so poor after i pay rent fuel insurance electric heating i would be better off on benefits.....

 

country's the like of Germany alot of the large companies are primarily run by there government ,unlike here were a business starts to lose money and the government let's them go into administeration in Germany the government will step in through money at them and organise there global demands. and increase production and jobs,

 

why can Britain not do this?

[paulus 26]

 

im 25 and have been in and out of work for over 2 years now.

 

i started working on power stations and heavy industrial engineering jobs my first years salary was 36,000 after tax yes i worked alot of hours and worked away from home.

 

As a genuine hard work person who will happily work hrs a week + sell cars and whatever else i can turn my hand to tat keep myself going, but at this current time no matter how hard i try i can not get a job to any form of description i previously did.

 

And the jobs that are available to me the wages are so poor after i pay rent fuel insurance electric heating i would be better off on benefits.....

 

country's the like of Germany alot of the large companies are primarily run by there government ,unlike here were a business starts to lose money and the government let's them go into administeration in Germany the government will step in through money at them and organise there global demands. and increase production and jobs,

 

why can Britain not do this?

 They do in the finacial sector, the public buys all the bad bits and leaves the good bits for the inverstors to share dividends and the directors to pay bonuses!

[hutch6 550]

 

 

 

Im glad lifes worked out for you,and you have a comfortable lifestyle I got fed up doing a shit job for shit money,went to college did my electrical quals and got a better job....I wasn't happy with the job even though it was very well paid I decided to go back to my trade (ceramic tiler) I steadily built the business up over years and had apprentices,put them through college and ensured they were financially sound (above and beyond wages,car loans ,house deposits etc) in 2006 the country was flooded with European builders,working for peanuts and taking all the work due to there low prices.I found myself with a choice to make.....employ them or face going under...I chose the latter....and lost EVERYTHING....does this entitle me to destroy what others have built....NO...am I pissed off , VERY .ALL my choice and I live with the consequences,a riot will change none of the above...

There are far more working class people than middle and upper class put together,so how has it not been possible to get a goverment that represents the majority?.Its my kids who i despair for,my two lads are in the forces and both have been threatened with redundancy.My two daughters are in university one learning to be a social worker and the other studying to be a school teacher.I know of university graduates that cant get a job and have to work behind a bar,or do telesales,or even both.Thats not their fault they would love to do the job that they went to 6th form for,then 4 years at university or 7 for a masters and for what?.

 

I hate to be the one to burst the bubble here but so what if your children have degrees, if there aren't the jobs available for their chosen career then there aren't any jobs but there isn't anything to stop them using a bit of that well trained grey matter and creating a job or just taking a step sideways.

 

Let's have a look at what they are studying:

 

Social Worker: This is an easy one.

 

Probation Officer.

Prison Advisor

Youth Offending Officer

Learning Disability Support Officer

Child/Adult care worker

 

These are just of the top of my bonce but there is a whole range if you do a search (took 3seconds)

 

Job options

Jobs directly related to your degree include:

• Social worker
• Probation officer (Northern Ireland)

Many social workers are employed by local authority children's or adult services undertaking statutory work (required by government legislation).

Local authority roles in children's teams include family support work, child protection, working with looked-after children (foster care), adoption and school attendance (education social worker). In adult teams, opportunities include mental health and substance misuse work.

Social workers also work with the elderly, those with physical or learning disabilities, in residential and day-care facilities, in criminal justice work, housing and community projects and with the homeless. It is possible to work your way up into management positions, such as safeguarding or care manager. For the range of job opportunities, see the British Association of Social Workers .

In Northern Ireland, a social work degree is required to become a probation officer.

The practical skills and work experience gained on a social work degree are also relevant to a range of other social care and advice roles:

• Adult guidance worker
• Advice worker
• Careers adviser
• Charity officer
• Community development worker
• Counsellor
• Equality and diversity officer
• Psychotherapist
• Volunteer coordinator
• Youth worker

You may need further training/qualifications or specific work experience with children or older people for some of these jobs.

Remember that many employers accept applications from graduates with any degree subject, so don't restrict your thinking to the jobs listed here.

 

That daughter is pretty safe when it comes to different paths.

 

Teacher: Specialised but not limited.

 

Support Worker.

Training Delivery - both public and private sector.

 

Another 3 second search:

 

Jobs directly related to your degree

• Primary school teacher - teaches a range of subjects to a class of pupils from the age range 4 -11 years and may have responsibility for delivering a particular subject across the school (e.g. music).
• Secondary school teacher - teaches one or more national curriculum subjects to classes of pupils aged 11-16 or 11-18.
• Early years teacher - fosters and develops the abilities, social skills and understanding of children aged three to five years, focusing on optimum child development and preparation for a successful transition to primary school education.
• Special educational needs teacher - teaches children with emotional, behavioural or learning difficulties at one or more stages in the SEN Code of Practice. They are also involved in identifying all levels of need.
• Further education lecturer - usually teaches a specific subject to students over 16 but increasingly to 14-19 year olds.
• Adult education lecturer - teaches specific subject areas to adults either within educational settings, in the community and increasingly through distance/remote learning
• Community education officer - works to promote and facilitate access to a wide range of voluntary educational activities by all members of the community, regardless of age.
• Youth worker - supports and encourages young people to become involved in local ‘informal’ educational activities.
• Education administrator - organises and oversees administrative activities and systems that support and facilitate the smooth running of an education institution. The majority are based in higher or further education, but opportunities are increasingly available in schools and private colleges.

Jobs where your degree would be useful

• Learning mentor - provides a complementary service to teachers and other staff, addressing the needs of children who require assistance in overcoming barriers to learning in order to achieve their full potential.
• Careers adviser - provides information, advice and guidance (IAG) inside and outside education. Advisers are employed to ensure that people (especially young people aged 13-19) achieve their full potential.
• Museum education officer - a museum education officer is responsible for realising the potential of the museum collections as learning resources and developing learning opportunities.
• Social worker - often works with people experiencing crisis or people who are socially excluded with the aim of providing support to enable service users to help themselves. Social workers maintain professional relationships with service users, acting as a guide, advocate or as a critical friend.
• Training and development officer - manages the learning of an organisation's workforce, delivering training sessions to participants or, in a more senior role, devises a training strategy for the organisation.

 

 

NOw, just because you have a degree doesn't mean you are GUARANTEED a job, it is merely a string to your bow that the other folk applying might not have. What is wrong with working in a bar, a shop, a supermarket or wherever just because you have a degree? You are at least working and have work history with a wwork record, references and shows a willigness to work as well as gaining skills and being able to transfer these to your new role.

 

I used to be a barman, before that I worked in McDonalds, was a labourer and then spent all day just photocopying stuff. I'm now a senior IP Network Engineer specialising in wide area networks that cover the UK. I never went to University I just saved up and did courses for where I saw potential growth. I became stagnant in my current role so I saved up again and became qualified in a trade so I will always have a job for life (MOD lads were doing the same course too who got made redundant ) so I do my main job during the day and I do my trade on an evening and weekend or if it's a big job I take annual leave (double pay, bonus!). Am I doing my dream job? Not at all because there aren't any jobs going in that area. Am I doing my second choice job? No. I've got loads of qualifications from all manner of things that will stand me in good stead of finding a job in loads of different roles and the vast majority of skills transfer regardless.

 

A degree is a tool, not a guarantee.

don't know about a degree being a tool but you sound like one,youth unemployment is running at over 25 % last

i heard & rising & that's not realistic figure as it's from the government so do all these kids not want to work

would they not take any of the jobs you have listed

 

 

Yes, I am sure given the opportunity the vast majority would apply for these jobs but as you need some form of qualifcation in the area to stand a chance of gettijng through. 95% would be discarded at the paper sift with the ones that had relevent experience, qualifications and an ability to write a decent application (it's not just a "send your CV in" application believe me). After that those with the desired degree and/or satisfactory application are then short-listed. Do you not think having a degree in the applied niche area is not an advantage, a tool?

 

Did you miss the bits in the pasted text on my post where it says: "Jobs directly related to your degree" or "Jobs where your degree would be useful".

 

Related: Jobs that the candidate would be looking to go into having spent the time studying for their specifically chosen degree. You may have chosen the job and then seen what is required.

 

Useful: Not directly related but could be transferred over.

 

In both instances your degree is a tool, an extra ace in your hand to be played.

 

I've been for jobs up against folk that have a degree and that is all that has got them to the interview. I got my current role because I had experience in a live environment. All but two of us has a degree. The graduates also had other experience but were chosen because of their foundational understanding of the related area they gained through their degrees.

 

Call me what you will if it makes you feel a bit better but you can not argue that a degree is nothing but an extra ticket on your CV. It won't guarantee you a job but it adds a great deal to your application than the ones who don't have one. Would you have someone who had been doing building work for 12years but holds no tickets against his trade or someone who had been building for 1yr but held a building regs ticket and a master trades certificate from a building college to prove their knowledge? Who's to say the first guy can't do the work, but at the same time has he been doing it wrong for 12yrs?

 

Here's another for you just so you get a better picture. I hold various certificates for a particular subject through a globally recognised company. It proves that I know what I am doing, have the knowledge and the skills to do the job, but it also provides potential emplyers witht eh added benefiot they get discount off of the rewarding body company in respect of their manufactured netwrokign equipment. In fact the more specific certified people they employ the bigger the discount they get, a bonus alround. I have companies headhunting me every week not only for the skills and knowledge I bring to the job, but becasue of the other financial rewards that come with me as a package. What a great tool to have in my back pocket, don't you think? The thing is I only asked to go work for these companies when there is a job available for me to do. My qualifactions are a tool, nothing more.

 

Sure any other individual can apply for the role but what understanding of the role does that individual have? Would they take someone with 2 GCSEs or someone who has gone through a further 5-9years of study in subjects directly related to that specific field of business?

Edited April 22, 2013 by hutch6

[pritch 335]

look lets be right here no doubt in some industries qualifications matter,especially if your not a manual

worker but nowt stands you like experience as the police force has found out to it's cost by recruting

mid & upper management from backgrounds other than policing, moral is at an all time low coppers

are jumping ship taking with them all there experience leaving accountants running the shop.i'm in my

50's & in my time in various industries have worked with folk with qualifications coming out there ears

& most (not all ) wern't worth a wank just coz you've got the theory doesn't your good at putting it into

practice & i'd take experience every time

[NEWKID 26,261]

In the building trade I'd take experiance every time as well, I'm maybe in a fortunate position in that I know all the gangs I employ ( on the books or subbie) as I've worked with all of them, I know whos good and shit in my area, in my game.... 3 of the subbie gangs I employ started out with me and my brother on the tools until they were ready to go on their own.... Now the dilema would be when employing the unknown gangs, in the past when we've done this it's a lottery... the worst, as in roughest, we ever had on, were very experianced mid 50's and been around for ages, they came up with me doing a few bits and pieces on a waitrose, I sent them down to my brother on a Tescos site, with a warning they were a bit rough, and they lasted 1 day!! He had them cut and trim a window, it was that bad he had to take it all off and start again...

I'm putting my nephew through his apprentiship at the minute, he'll be more qualified than me in a years time, would you rather have him on your site or someone with 17years experiance??.....

The building trades a funny one now, as I've said in earlier all the Main Contractors want to see is a ticket for everything, as an employer I see through that to a degree and would rather have lads I know can do the job properly, it doesn't take long to work it out,...