Cut Backs ,and Thatchers Funeral

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

 

Theres 300 years of coal reserves in S.Wales, it'll still be there when the oil and gas become less and less, we will see easier safer ways to mine it, maybe Maggie inadvertantly got it right after...

 

When the oil and the gas runs out the people extracting are coal wont be english welsh or scotch , Go on guess. Go on

She'll probabley get blamed for that as well...

. Eh yeh !!!!!!!

[WILF 49,662]

 

10 million quid is pocket change to a government, they probably iron that out in paper clips every year.

 

She brought this country back from the dead so rest well old girl and thank you.

Wilf if its Pocket change then its about time they Invested the exact same amount into the Northern Villages and Towns she Decimated.

Easington, Blackhall,Horden, Hesleden,Wingate,Shotton,Wheatley Hill,Seaham,Hetton, Houghton,Hetton Le Hole,Fence Houses,Newbottle,Coxhoe,Kelloe,Trimdon's.Peterlee ect and those are just the few within a 10 mile radius of me.

While our own live in Poverty she goes out to the tune of 10 million when her Immediate Family are prob worth 100 million thru Corrupt business deals.

They should foot the whole cost themselfe's.

Its all been a Tory Charade on par with North Korea's Spin and Lie's.

Hopefully the General Public by large have seen thru it.

It's got to be Ukip all the way next time around.

The thing that makes me smile mate is that lots of the folk slagging Thatcher are all big UKIP supporters apparently when UKIP is even more libertarian than old Maggie ever was.....that's why I like them.

You deffo won't see them giving handouts to businesses that are not working like those industry's in the s

 

Has everybody forgotten what it was like when labour ruled back then?......these areas voted Labour all the time.

70% higher band tax, almost eastern block conditions in the country.......I read that the Wall Street journal actually wrote a headline that said " good bye Great Britain it's a shame to see you go" or something like that because we were finished !!!

 

That is the reality mate........the rot was so bad that the cure was terrible but that's the price you pay for voting in socialists all the time.

Lets not pretend that we would be living in some paradise if the unions still held sway and all those heavy industries were still leeching off the tax payer, we would be no better than Rumania !!.......poor as church mice riding donkeys round the gaff !!

 

Nobody in their right mind thinks its good that people's lives got torn apart be it miners or steelworkers or whoever, even the people that wanted to work but were murdered or bullied..........none of thats good but they backed the wrong horse by backing Labour and the unions all the time and they were the ones killing the country which could not be allowed to continue

 

So in short, no I don't think the money should be given to towns up north or down south or anywhere else, 10 million is buttons compared to what that woman saved this country from.

JMHO

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

10 million quid is pocket change to a government, they probably iron that out in paper clips every year.

 

She brought this country back from the dead so rest well old girl and thank you.

Wilf if its Pocket change then its about time they Invested the exact same amount into the Northern Villages and Towns she Decimated.

Easington, Blackhall,Horden, Hesleden,Wingate,Shotton,Wheatley Hill,Seaham,Hetton, Houghton,Hetton Le Hole,Fence Houses,Newbottle,Coxhoe,Kelloe,Trimdon's.Peterlee ect and those are just the few within a 10 mile radius of me.

While our own live in Poverty she goes out to the tune of 10 million when her Immediate Family are prob worth 100 million thru Corrupt business deals.

They should foot the whole cost themselfe's.

Its all been a Tory Charade on par with North Korea's Spin and Lie's.

Hopefully the General Public by large have seen thru it.

It's got to be Ukip all the way next time around.

The thing that makes me smile mate is that lots of the folk slagging Thatcher are all big UKIP supporters apparently when UKIP is even more libertarian than old Maggie ever was.....that's why I like them.

You deffo won't see them giving handouts to businesses that are not working like those industry's in the s

Has everybody forgotten what it was like when labour ruled back then?......these areas voted Labour all the time.

70% higher band tax, almost eastern block conditions in the country.......I read that the Wall Street journal actually wrote a headline that said " good bye Great Britain it's a shame to see you go" or something like that because we were finished !!!

That is the reality mate........the rot was so bad that the cure was terrible but that's the price you pay for voting in socialists all the time.

Lets not pretend that we would be living in some paradise if the unions still held sway and all those heavy industries were still leeching off the tax payer, we would be no better than Rumania !!.......poor as church mice riding donkeys round the gaff !!

Nobody in their right mind thinks its good that people's lives got torn apart be it miners or steelworkers or whoever, even the people that wanted to work but were murdered or bullied..........none of thats good but they backed the wrong horse by backing Labour and the unions all the time and they were the ones killing the country which could not be allowed to continue

So in short, no I don't think the money should be given to towns up north or down south or anywhere else, 10 million is buttons compared to what that woman saved this country from.

JMHO

. Wilf i hate blair and brown more than any. Mrs tea had it within her power and had the money to retrain and retool this nation. Revamp and rebuild. And squandered the nations wealth and its youth of the day. A shocking waste of assets both human and monetary Rodger over and out. !!!!!!

[scothunter 12,609]

I get what your saying wilf.and farage was a very big admirer of maggie,and thats totally fine mate.

i said the other day i did like some of her stances.BUT she forgot about the people on this island.well some of them.Yes we needed to change and modernise,but it should never been as brutal and callous as it was.There were other ways she could have introduced it and softened the blow.

 

how about speaking to the workers and explaining why the unions in her opinion were wrong.and guaranteeing that they wouldnt be thrown in the pile and forgotten about.but no it was a personal vendetta between her and the unions,and anyone who disagreed with her was the enemy within.no she was always on the face of battle wilf and there was no compromise with her.imho she was not a good leader and any good she did achieve was tainted by her treatment towards ordinary people.uncaring and introduced a trend of being selfish.

[WILF 49,662]

GTE, fair play mate but from what I can see the rot was so bad it needed took out at the root and the root was the Labour heartlands.

Just the way I see it but we all see things different

Atb

[twobob 1,505]

 

 

10 million quid is pocket change to a government, they probably iron that out in paper clips every year.

 

She brought this country back from the dead so rest well old girl and thank you.

Wilf if its Pocket change then its about time they Invested the exact same amount into the Northern Villages and Towns she Decimated.

Easington, Blackhall,Horden, Hesleden,Wingate,Shotton,Wheatley Hill,Seaham,Hetton, Houghton,Hetton Le Hole,Fence Houses,Newbottle,Coxhoe,Kelloe,Trimdon's.Peterlee ect and those are just the few within a 10 mile radius of me.

While our own live in Poverty she goes out to the tune of 10 million when her Immediate Family are prob worth 100 million thru Corrupt business deals.

They should foot the whole cost themselfe's.

Its all been a Tory Charade on par with North Korea's Spin and Lie's.

Hopefully the General Public by large have seen thru it.

It's got to be Ukip all the way next time around.

The thing that makes me smile mate is that lots of the folk slagging Thatcher are all big UKIP supporters apparently when UKIP is even more libertarian than old Maggie ever was.....that's why I like them.

You deffo won't see them giving handouts to businesses that are not working like those industry's in the s

 

Has everybody forgotten what it was like when labour ruled back then?......these areas voted Labour all the time.

70% higher band tax, almost eastern block conditions in the country.......I read that the Wall Street journal actually wrote a headline that said " good bye Great Britain it's a shame to see you go" or something like that because we were finished !!!

 

That is the reality mate........the rot was so bad that the cure was terrible but that's the price you pay for voting in socialists all the time.

Lets not pretend that we would be living in some paradise if the unions still held sway and all those heavy industries were still leeching off the tax payer, we would be no better than Rumania !!.......poor as church mice riding donkeys round the gaff !!

 

Nobody in their right mind thinks its good that people's lives got torn apart be it miners or steelworkers or whoever, even the people that wanted to work but were murdered or bullied..........none of thats good but they backed the wrong horse by backing Labour and the unions all the time and they were the ones killing the country which could not be allowed to continue

 

So in short, no I don't think the money should be given to towns up north or down south or anywhere else, 10 million is buttons compared to what that woman saved this country from.

JMHO

so please tell us wilf why is farming subsidised and why does the tax payer part fund the railways if privatisation is the way forward or is that just buttons?

[WILF 49,662]

Because we have a bunch of f***ing socialists running the gaff again, they my pretend to be blue but they are very far from it !!

The EU is a socialist organisation and there ain't a fag paper between the lib dems, labour and the conservatives......these are the people making the " lets try and please everyone" rules like socialists do.

[brookie 1,193]

I get what your saying wilf.and farage was a very big admirer of maggie,and thats totally fine mate.

i said the other day i did like some of her stances.BUT she forgot about the people on this island.well some of them.Yes we needed to change and modernise,but it should never been as brutal and callous as it was.There were other ways she could have introduced it and softened the blow.

 

how about speaking to the workers and explaining why the unions in her opinion were wrong.and guaranteeing that they wouldnt be thrown in the pile and forgotten about.but no it was a personal vendetta between her and the unions,and anyone who disagreed with her was the enemy within.no she was always on the face of battle wilf and there was no compromise with her.imho she was not a good leader and any good she did achieve was tainted by her treatment towards ordinary people.uncaring and introduced a trend of being selfish.

good post scot it was personal with her and she was determined to take the shout away from the working man .she was planning on closing all the pits before the strike .the unios wanted a better wage for the miners and safer working conditions .she destroyed the unions thus opening the way for privatisation .which lead to low wages high inflation .but massive profiteering for her ilk. which is the way it is today . if the strong unions of the pre strike era were in force today .all these foreigners from europe and the ragheads wouldnt be here providing cheap labour for these companies and depriving brirish people of these jobs nor would germany be calling the shots here ..immigration is so bad here now that people dont give two fucks what other policys nigel farage will bring along as long as he sorts the immigrants out and takes us out of the eu .and lets be honest about it what ever other policys he introduces it cant be any worse than what it is now lads

[stewie 3,387]

sinead o connor made a special appearance at the after party.............

 

[WILF 49,662]

Lets have this right, I quiet fancy better wages and conditions so this is what we shall do......my firm earns 25 grand a year but I think I am worth 35 grand, the better conditions will cost the firm another 10 grand.

 

So if I give all you union men on here a PayPal address you can send me the other 20 grand out of your own pockets......that sounds perfect to me.

[The Seeker 3,048]

 

If you hated her politics thats one thing, if you were affected by her policies then i have some sympathy I am not going to do the Monty Python 4 Yorkshireman sketch but I was brought up in a very poor council area and her policies did affect my whole family more than half of which were working in the steel mills throughout this time.

The difference between myself and some of the hateful things i have read is was always brought up to respect someone's death.

I make no apology either for saying she led us out of probably the worst post war situation this country found itself in and led us away from the diatribe of what was then the union stranglehold of my country we were an absolute laughing stock to the rest of the world before this . Even I can see that if others can't then that's their opinion.

I don't care whether you vote for tory or screaming lord such I find disrespecting a dead woman because of politics offensive to her children and grandchildren.

respected for her children are you avin a f****n laugh one a reality show contestant & the other is an illegal

arms dealer who was involved in trying to overthrow a government if it were your lad he'd be in the big house

called a terrorist but coz of who his mam was he's sat in church wi the PM ffs if you can't see owt wrong

in that your beyond help.there's a sayin round here "you can talk to a mon wi a wooden leg but not a wooden

head

That's just it, I used to have a wooden head and accepted what everyone else wanted me to think, before I learnt to think for myself.

The facts are under Harold Wilson 290 coal mines were closed as compared to the 160 under Margret Thatcher

but you dont get people calling Wilson an evil witch do you?

In the last year of coal production before the strikes the subsidised British Coal industry lost £485 Million

But hey let's not let the facts get in the way of a good witch hunt eh? Wooden head?

[Tiercel 6,986]

I have not read all this thread, but one thing I cannot fathom out is why the need for privatisation? Look at it this way. Each and every company that was privatised under Thatcher has made money. Yes the costs have gone up, yes the wages have stagnated. However each company is making billions a year, we could have the companies still in state hands, paying the same wages charging the same rates. yet the profits would go to the state brining very much needed income for the goverment. In theory that could lead to tax cuts where fuel could have less of a levy. That in turn would reduce inflation. Win win situation.

 

Instead the profits go to wealthy individual share holders, with the minimum investment in the inferstructure of the utilities. Capitalism is the only system that really works, that is a fact. But you can have state capitalism for the good of the people.

 

TC

Edited April 17, 2013 by tiercel

[WILF 49,662]

Any takers to send me 20 large a year? Lol lol lol

[stewie 3,387]

Any takers to send me 20 large a year? Lol lol lol

i wouldnt send you a virus..............

[Outlaw Pete 2,224]

One thing I cannot fathom out is why the need for privatisation? ..... we could have the companies still in state hands, paying the same wages charging the same rates. yet the profits would go to the state bringing very much needed income for the government ..... Instead the profits go to wealthy individual share holders, with the minimum investment in the infrastructure of the utilities.

 

 

And what positions, in society, do these " wealthy individual share holders " tend to hold, T?

 

Can you not see how your answer lies in your own question?

Edited April 17, 2013 by Outlaw Pete