Say No To Bedroom Tax

[paulus 26]

You say that Paul, but many of us watch people who are very happy to live on it, and have made a life choice that doesn't involve work.

It isn't what we read, its what we see.

 

the system would be a good thing, if it wasn't for the many parasites in it.

 

This is a thing i don't understand from you, you often say benefit fraud is only a small part of the bill. I don't believe it, from what i see.

There are loads out there who wouldn't show up as fraud, because they are true parasites of the system, and know how to play it, and they

do play it well.

the goverments own figures estimate benifit fraud at 1.6 billion and tax evasion at 110 billion you do the maths and tell me why they spend more on chasing benifit fraud ive said it before make all benifits means tested, and i mean every benifit. winter fuel payment,family allowance the lot. another fact is the working poor make up a higher proportion of benifit claimants than the unemployed, so its more than the benifit system that needs looking at yes theres fraudsters but there not confined to the unemployed by any means.

[paulus 26]

I understand that Paulus.

 

Last year I was seriously ill. For the first time ever, I claimed benefits.

 

25 years of paying tax and national insurance and I got £67 per week. That didn't even pay the food bills.

 

We don't have kids, so have never been able to claim tax credits/family credit or whatever. If I have a bad month at work we have to just soldier on and try and get through to the next month.

 

Sadly, like many others, whenever I see benefit claimants on the news or whatever, they seem to be sat on brand new leather sofas, with widescreen TV's and mobile phones to hand. We've got a thirty year old 3 piece suite which I was given by a relative, and a telly that a bloke in the pub offered me for free if we picked it up.

 

Mrs Rat did 22 years working for DHSS on fraud and the Social Fund. It was hard for her to hand out £100 maternity payments to people who had never worked in their lives, while the doctors told us we could never have kids. Equally, when some of the druggies sold their washing machines to pay for the next fix, they popped into the Social and picked up an interest free loan for a new one.

 

I accept that there are genuine cases out there, and that it's not the fault of some of the people that they find themselves on hard times. No-one really wants to live on benefits, I realise that, but it's the system at fault not the people.

 

My point above was more to do with what folks now consider to be essential. Does a divorced father for example, need to provide a bedroom for each of his kids in case they want to visit? I don't think so. Does that mean he should move into a smaller property? I don't think that would be right either. Should the taxpayer fork out to pay for it 'just in case'? Not when we can't afford to provide proper care for pensioners, no.

 

While I agree that allowing people the right to buy their council house may have been a good thing; the huge mistake was not replacing them. The local authorities actually have the money raised from those sales but aren't allowed to spend it. Madness, sheer madness.

you have a point but take the selling of council houses in a town near here they sold off a load of housing stock to an housing association for £1 each i shit you not. the housing association then took on people on the councils waiting list, but charged a higher rent than the council, given a lot of these tenents were claiming housing benifit then it begs the question. WHY

[Matt 160]

Good post Paulus.

 

I can't understand why we need Child Benefit at all. It costs a fortune to administer, and could just as easily be added on to means tested benefits like tax credits or income support.

 

And as for winter fuel payments and free tv licenses, don't get me started....... what kind of mad system is it that pays millionaires for extra fuel in the winter?

 

Some of the wealthiest (in terms of disposable income) people I've met are pensioners..... The poorest people I've known have been hardworking folks who don't claim any benefits. They don't fit into a convenient 'box' so are just ignored by the state.

[paulus 26]

Good post Paulus.

 

I can't understand why we need Child Benefit at all. It costs a fortune to administer, and could just as easily be added on to means tested benefits like tax credits or income support.

 

And as for winter fuel payments and free tv licenses, don't get me started....... what kind of mad system is it that pays millionaires for extra fuel in the winter?

 

Some of the wealthiest (in terms of disposable income) people I've met are pensioners..... The poorest people I've known have been hardworking folks who don't claim any benefits. They don't fit into a convenient 'box' so are just ignored by the state.

peter stringfellow tried to return his winter fuel payment and was told if he didnt want it, to give it to charity were all in this together

[Matt 160]

you have a point but take the selling of council houses in a town near here they sold off a load of housing stock to an housing association for £1 each i shit you not. the housing association then took on people on the councils waiting list, but charged a higher rent than the council, given a lot of these tenents were claiming housing benifit then it begs the question. WHY

 

Possibly because most councils couldn't run a tap and it's cheaper to let a private not for profit company run the Social Housing stock?

 

I honestly don't know.

 

What I do know is that building more social housing, and not all in ghettos in towns, would help reduce the housing shortage and give a whole heap of doleys a reason to get up each morning.

 

It'll never help me because I'll never be eligible for social housing because of my lack of kids. I'll always either struggle to pay a mortgage, or have to line the pockets of private landlords.

 

And no, I'm not bitter...................... much.

[paulus 26]

 

you have a point but take the selling of council houses in a town near here they sold off a load of housing stock to an housing association for £1 each i shit you not. the housing association then took on people on the councils waiting list, but charged a higher rent than the council, given a lot of these tenents were claiming housing benifit then it begs the question. WHY

 

Possibly because most councils couldn't run a tap and it's cheaper to let a private not for profit company run the Social Housing stock?

 

I honestly don't know.

 

What I do know is that building more social housing, and not all in ghettos in towns, would help reduce the housing shortage and give a whole heap of doleys a reason to get up each morning.

 

It'll never help me because I'll never be eligible for social housing because of my lack of kids. I'll always either struggle to pay a mortgage, or have to line the pockets of private landlords.

 

And no, I'm not bitter...................... much.

i see alot in my work for SSAFA as a caseworker........ but take the bedroom tax, i may be wrong here but i believe it only applies to housing benifit claimants, if this is about freeing up houing stock then why doesnt it apply to those who pay rent as well as those who receive a rebate

[Matt 160]

Agreed Paulus, sorry I've veered off topic a bit.

 

But......

 

This isn't a 'Tax'. It's the removal of a benefit. If you want extra rooms then you pay for them rather than the tax payer. Not a tax at all.

 

And.........

 

First brought in by LABOUR. It's just been extended to include social housing.

[paulus 26]

Agreed Paulus, sorry I've veered off topic a bit.

 

But......

 

This isn't a 'Tax'. It's the removal of a benefit. If you want extra rooms then you pay for them rather than the tax payer. Not a tax at all.

 

And.........

 

First brought in by LABOUR. It's just been extended to include social housing.

correct its a reduction in housing benifit and sod all to do with freeing up housing stock

[paulus 26]

and another thing lifestyle choice , why is it were all paying for someone else`s childcare, again it was there choice to have kids not ours

[foxfan 479]

Well there is some good news, i read the other day that the queen has granted planning permission ( she can do that apparently) for Will and Kate to have an extension built, just a small affair, adding another ten bedrooms to their mansion. . . . you know. . . .for the new baby.

Oh and Camerons three houses, two of which are tax payer funded (not the official residences of number 10 and chequers) have increased in value.

Anyway, like you were saying, how dare these scum on the dole think they deserve a spare room.

[romany52 313]

Can't you see folks, all this is to help the poor who are trapped on benefits, the government wants to starve them into shit jobs on shit wages so they can trap them there instead, so them and their cronies can profit from their cheap labour. It stands to reason to me, if wages are so low that folk are better off on benefits, raise the f***ing wages ! No one would choose benefits if it payed to work ,you don't starve people to make work pay, unless your Tory. It's simple, make work pay, a f***ing dunce could work it out !

[Malt 379]

Well there is some good news, i read the other day that the queen has granted planning permission ( she can do that apparently) for Will and Kate to have an extension built, just a small affair, adding another ten bedrooms to their mansion. . . . you know. . . .for the new baby.

Well ain't that good news, I was just starting to loose faith with the system(s) after the nursery in our little village was denied planning permission to build 6 poxy log cabins and a small convenience store on the site where they have had a few acres of greenhouses for donkeys years.. Apparently the National Park authority thought a few extra jobs and a few logs cabins would be detrimental to the character of the National Park, well more detrimental than the massive, massive greenhouses that have been stood there for years anyway.. They won't even let us have a mobile phone mast FFS, but its OK for them to build Europe's two biggest LNG terminals, two massive new power stations and god knows how many 100ft wind turbines about the place.. I kid you not, I wouldn't wish living in a national park on my worse enemy.. All it does is add another level of authority over your head, and worse still decisions that effect people's day to day lives are made by an unelected group of old duffers who are accountable to no one..

[Outlaw Pete 2,224]

You don't starve people to make work pay, unless your Tory.

 

 

Oh, I don't know ..... Who was it tried that little bit of 'Social Engineering' before ....?

 

What were they called ....?

 

Let me think now .....

 

 

Got it! Wasn't it the National Socialist Democratic Party of Germany? The Nazis.

[romany52 313]

 

You don't starve people to make work pay, unless your Tory.

 

 

Oh, I don't know ..... Who was it tried that little bit of 'Social Engineering' before ....?

 

What were they called ....?

 

Let me think now .....

 

 

Got it! Wasn't it the National Socialist Democratic Party of Germany? The Nazis.

Don't matter what they call themselves mate, they're all the same. When they get caught fiddling taxpayers money , it's "sorry for the oversight" when the likes of us get caught they have to make an " example of us". But hey, a lot of folk are waking up, I wouldn't be surprised if the shit hits the fan this summer.