the way the staffies really are......given a chance

[scothunter 12,609]

Yes he knows his place, dies what' he is told, can have a carry on with on pretty rough. But when I say " that's enough" it stops!

Can take toys from him. But hey I'm no dog behaviourist or trainer. I just do it my way

[The Duncan 802]

Sounds like we think similarly, in the main

[gnasher16 31,122]

For what reason would you take a dogs food off him mid meal ?....Im not so much talking about pet dogs in the home and around kids as thats a completely different set of circumstances that in my mind do not apply to a dog kept outside and purely for work......Some folk seem far too quick to stick to these principals of " any sign of aggression and its gone "....why destroy a dog over an unnatural situation YOU created on purpose.....if it showed aggression in a NATURAL situation then fair enough....they are dogs not robots i couldnt respect any dog who is prepared to roll over and be totally dominated and overwhelmed by me if i push a dog and take the piss i have to expect a reaction thats just natural instinct i wouldnt stamp my foot next to a bird and expect it not to fly away......and even if you could what would that achieve !

Edited October 26, 2012 by gnasher16

[The Duncan 802]

In the wild, the pack leader can do what he wants and the underlings have to and do accept it.

To clarify: the bone is returned and isnt a thing done to tease the dog. It's a statement of hierarchy.

Its a question of who's in charge. In my pack I am in charge of every aspect of my dogs lives, not for egotistical purposes, just that this is how it has to be.

Are you the pack leader? Or just the pack leader some of the time?

I'm Dad to my kids 24/7, not just some of the time after all

[Born Hunter 17,907]

For what reason would you take a dogs food off him mid meal ?....Im not so much talking about pet dogs in the home and around kids as thats a completely different set of circumstances that in my mind do not apply to a dog kept outside and purely for work......Some folk seem far too quick to stick to these principals of " any sign of aggression and its gone "....why destroy a dog over an unnatural situation YOU created on purpose.....if it showed aggression in a NATURAL situation then fair enough....they are dogs not robots i couldnt respect any dog who is prepared to roll over and be totally dominated and overwhelmed by me if i push a dog and take the piss i have to expect a reaction thats just natural instinct i wouldnt stamp my foot next to a bird and expect it not to fly away......and even if you could what would that achieve !

 

Suppose the dog gets hold of something it shouldn't and starts to devour it, if the animal thinks that it can face you down when it is eating what are you going to do? If it's okay for the dog to square up to you over a bone is it okay with it's kennel as well? What happens when you need to change it's bedding? I understand what you are saying but aggressive possesiveness is something I wouldn't tollerate. A dog snapping after taking any amount of shit like tail pulling and generally being overly man handled is fair enough but aggressive possesiveness towards me isn't.

Edited October 26, 2012 by Born Hunter

[northern lad 2,292]

I have never taken the dogs food away to impress somebody,in fact thinking about it im not sure anybody has ever seen me doing this,someone taking food of a dog wouldnt impress me in the least,its just a very basic expectation required of any dog surely?Letting the dog now it gets its food if and when I say so lets it know whos the boss,me not it......I had a Bullmastiff years ago that was very food orientated and guarded the house ferociously,but all I had to do was tell it no and it stopped whatever it was doing.I dont proclaim to be a great trainer of dogs, I am not,I never once laid a hand on the dog in anger ,but could wither it with my tone of voice.For me a dog that is not respectful of myself or my family has no place in MY house,

[bird 10,014]

Thats all fair enough if you have a dog living its life in the house with the family but personally ive never had or wanted that hence ive never had a need to dominate a dog and have it " know its place " as you say...........ive found the best ways of gaining a dogs trust and bonding with it to the point it will do anything to please you is to allow it a little slack and not deny him his right to be an animal.......he is then pleasing you because he WANTS to not because he HAS to....if its a dog of decent intelligence it will know its place within the relationship without the need to constantly show him whos boss !......Ive had dogs that would take their last breath for you but that didnt mean i could take the piss and dominate them in an unnatural situation....................nor would i want or feel the need to.

 

spot on, people forget there are dogs (not) people treet them as such .

[The Duncan 802]

Thats all fair enough if you have a dog living its life in the house with the family but personally ive never had or wanted that hence ive never had a need to dominate a dog and have it " know its place " as you say...........ive found the best ways of gaining a dogs trust and bonding with it to the point it will do anything to please you is to allow it a little slack and not deny him his right to be an animal.......he is then pleasing you because he WANTS to not because he HAS to....if its a dog of decent intelligence it will know its place within the relationship without the need to constantly show him whos boss !......Ive had dogs that would take their last breath for you but that didnt mean i could take the piss and dominate them in an unnatural situation....................nor would i want or feel the need to.

 

spot on, people forget there are dogs (not) people treet them as such .

Totally agree - treat dogs like dogs. In a wild dog pack, the leader can take food from underlings without quarrel.

[gnasher16 31,122]

In the wild, the pack leader can do what he wants and the underlings have to and do accept it.

To clarify: the bone is returned and isnt a thing done to tease the dog. It's a statement of hierarchy.

Its a question of who's in charge. In my pack I am in charge of every aspect of my dogs lives, not for egotistical purposes, just that this is how it has to be.

Are you the pack leader? Or just the pack leader some of the time?

I'm Dad to my kids 24/7, not just some of the time after all

 

How on earth can you fit " im dad to my kids 24/7 "................and " in the wild the pack leader can do whatever he wants ".................into the same subject

Dogs are no longer wild animals..................and kids...............well they are not dogs are they

[gnasher16 31,122]

Suppose the dog gets hold of something it shouldn't and starts to devour it, if the animal thinks that it can face you down when it is eating what are you going to do? If it's okay for the dog to square up to you over a bone is it okay with it's kennel as well? What happens when you need to change it's bedding? I understand what you are saying but aggressive possesiveness is something I wouldn't tollerate. A dog snapping after taking any amount of shit like tail pulling and generally being overly man handled is fair enough but aggressive possesiveness towards me isn't.

 

We,re not talking about changing bedding we,re talking about feeding..............the one time of the day a dog gets to be " a dog " within the home environment and im going to come along and say " no stop that behaviour right now "........no way.

I believe you can use a dogs intelligence both for and against you i dont feel i need to break a dog down mentally to get his respect.....if a dog doesnt have the intelligence in the first place to be able to give up a possession then he wont be around long anyway.......but giving up on his dinner,no i wont make a dog do that i dont think its necessary.

[gnasher16 31,122]

For me a dog that is not respectful of myself or my family has no place in MY house,

 

If you asked the dog to lay on its back with 4 feet in the air for a 30 second time period............would that be showing you respect ?............or would it be an unnatural and completely unecessary humiliation to show whos boss ?

[stewie 3,387]

Did anyone watch "a wolf called storm" last night?? When they pulled the buffalo they worked together to get it down and kill it, then fought like f**k over the carcass and were then all cuddled up asleep together after they ate it same with domestic dogs, they snap over food, its a reaction they can't help and imo can't be blamed for if someone invades the privacy! Leave them to it and there's no problem

[Casso 1,261]

some dangerous misinformation about taking food off large dogs as if it some sort of proof of your pack leadership, in some cases bitch's can take food off dogs, little dogs off big dogs and so on, possession is 9/10's of the law in a dogs mind and in a lot of cases it comes down too who ever wants it more,

 

i make the pup come into my space to eat from the very start, so in that case he is actually taking food from me, does it make him pack leader ?? does it f**k, it leaves him with a completely calm frame of mind around people and food, a lot of aggression comes from fear ,

[scothunter 12,609]

At the end of the day, if you form a bond with the dog from an early age. Socialise it the dog will trust you and vice versa to a degree. Therefore IMO really no need to be putting both of you in a possible confrontation

[northern lad 2,292]

Gnasher,training a dog to lie on its back for 30 seconds would be a foolish party trick,I do not see letting the dog know I am the boss as humiliating,if and when I take the dogs food they immeadiatly sit and wait ,until I decide to give it them back,they are neither frightened or humiliated,they just accept it.Can I just point out I might not do this for 6 months,I may do it twice a week,just my way......