Tam O'Void 297 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 On post in the Terrier Sec.Ian seemed to be dismayed at the Public image of Terrier folk. He seemed to think a club would be a good idea for young folk.Their is clubs,but they don,t cater for Joe Public,''preaching to the converted'' Due to suspicions of the outside world,thus causing more suspicion,What have they to hide ! Engagement is IMO the way forward,ie; I went along to a Save the Meadow,meet..Have been to a few By-pass Motorway things etc.. Anyhow,at the Meadow thing ,they had the '' Gruffalo'' all 6ft of him !and a guy reading the story. Had kids and Parents captivated for ages,most who where W/knd Eco warriors,Veggies.this is how they Network..New folk come along and hear their Points of View....converts waiting sometimes ! Got to talking from a guy Down from the Isles a VEGGIE, anti ? No ,didn't eat meat .As when growing up MEAT was dear,didn't like mutton,so what was on offer was Rank..Simple...No politics etc..Eye opener for me ! So I'm in the middle of reading my Wee One,Thy Servant the Dog by Boots,with pics signed 1930 copy Rudyard Kipling.. THINKS !!!!! Wouldn't that be great to get someone Dressed up as a Character,and get it READ to a GROUP of KIDs...engage the public of another point of view. Most books that catch kids Attention,mostly show Hunters as bad men,we need to reverse this back to when most Fables showed the Hunter as a man that Protected is Community and Enviroment. How Many of us a REALLY active in the Ecology side off things ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nothernlite 18,030 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 good point atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 The hunter saved little red riding hood lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lapin2008 1,587 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) Wouldn't that be great to get someone Dressed up as a Character,and get it READ to a GROUP of KIDs...engage the public of another point of view. Most books that catch kids Attention,mostly show Hunters as bad men,we need to reverse this back to when most Fables showed the Hunter as a man that Protected is Community and Enviroment. How Many of us a REALLY active in the Ecology side off things ? Its not a bad idea really as a way of introducing children on mass to the outdoors and fieldsports, I think though when you use the example of the eco stuff the kids that will be attending this will be from parents who are already on board with it all and essentially that is what would happen the other way round with a hunting backed one. Some way of introducing kids to something like ferreting would be good, providing it was done in the right way. But again parents that would send their kids to that would pretty much be onboard already. Just through my kids talking with their mates at school about ferreting I have ended taking a few of the kids from their class out ferreting with my kids and they have all loved it (only 5 years old) I have also got a decent amount of new permission through this as some of his class mates parents are farmers One thing that my kids did through their school which i thought was pretty good was organise a school fishing trip to basically a fish farm where they all caught loads of trout (as you would expect) but it basically sold fishing to them. It probably wouldn't take too much pressure to get the odd school to agree to a trip like that Edited July 4, 2012 by lapin2008 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 i was talking to a fella last year used to take hawks and ferrets into schools and collages for demos /talks handling etc---he told me they`ve stopped it all on health and safety grounds and a lack of interest in country pursuits .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,656 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 A friend of mine took his son beating a good few years ago now and when his lad went into school telling them what he had done at the weekend my mate got called in to see the head and was told that it's not really acceptable to be taking his child out to participate in such things! Where the feck do you start when faced with a wall like that? Like has been said, any form of optional education will only be attended by those that are on board anyway. It's a loosing battle. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lapin2008 1,587 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 A friend of mine took his son beating a good few years ago now and when his lad went into school telling them what he had done at the weekend my mate got called in to see the head and was told that it's not really acceptable to be taking his child out to participate in such things! Where the feck do you start when faced with a wall like that? Like has been said, any form of optional education will only be attended by those that are on board anyway. It's a loosing battle. I do agree with that to an extent but I also think something like the fishing i mentioned above will also often include some kids with parents that are on the fence a bit and that just dont want their kids to miss out on something that everyone else is doing. And once half the class are raving about how much of a good day the fishing was it has an effect on the rest of the class, every little helps... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tam O'Void 297 Posted July 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 A friend of mine took his son beating a good few years ago now and when his lad went into school telling them what he had done at the weekend my mate got called in to see the head and was told that it's not really acceptable to be taking his child out to participate in such things! Where the feck do you start when faced with a wall like that? Like has been said, any form of optional education will only be attended by those that are on board anyway. It's a loosing battle. My Son done the same,3 parents STOPPED their kids socialising out of school with him Parties the lot ,but their , his 3 BEST MATE IN ...SCHOOL..so he still tells them of His Dogs and the hunting he gets to see...They don't see him as Evil,and will Grow up with this opinion of Hunting folk hopefully.And they say they would love to get the chance ,he gets.. Some Parents I don't tell Him being a VEGGIE is Sh**t, just tell him ,He'll miss some nice Tastey food ..and his pals are missing out..And on Party day there Very Busy.Even tho his mate will tell him the TRUTH,making out their Parents to be Liars Kids for you.Independent minds an all that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,656 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) A friend of mine took his son beating a good few years ago now and when his lad went into school telling them what he had done at the weekend my mate got called in to see the head and was told that it's not really acceptable to be taking his child out to participate in such things! Where the feck do you start when faced with a wall like that? Like has been said, any form of optional education will only be attended by those that are on board anyway. It's a loosing battle. I do agree with that to an extent but I also think something like the fishing i mentioned above will also often include some kids with parents that are on the fence a bit and that just dont want their kids to miss out on something that everyone else is doing. And once half the class are raving about how much of a good day the fishing was it has an effect on the rest of the class, every little helps... Some schools do small trips to farms etc (I can remember my primary school doing this as well as nature walks), perhaps similar could be done on sporting estates with demonstrations of gundog work (scurries), ferreting etc. Unfortunately things like this cause Health & Safety to have a panic attack so maybe that would prevent it without having to charge? IMO any charge would have too much of a negative effect. Edited to add; I think it's Secondary schools that need to be targeted more than Primary, at this level the kids are able to think for themselves and make their own opinions up rather than any brainwashing that they may get from parents/teachers/media. Edited July 4, 2012 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tam O'Void 297 Posted July 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 A friend of mine took his son beating a good few years ago now and when his lad went into school telling them what he had done at the weekend my mate got called in to see the head and was told that it's not really acceptable to be taking his child out to participate in such things! Where the feck do you start when faced with a wall like that? Like has been said, any form of optional education will only be attended by those that are on board anyway. It's a loosing battle. I do agree with that to an extent but I also think something like the fishing i mentioned above will also often include some kids with parents that are on the fence a bit and that just dont want their kids to miss out on something that everyone else is doing. And once half the class are raving about how much of a good day the fishing was it has an effect on the rest of the class, every little helps... Some schools do small trips to farms etc (I can remember my primary school doing this as well as nature walks), perhaps similar could be done on sporting estates with demonstrations of gundog work (scurries), ferreting etc. Unfortunately things like this cause Health & Safety to have a panic attack so maybe that would prevent it without having to charge? IMO any charge would have too much of a negative effect. Over at Ingliston,they have a Scheme for Farm Visits,H&S all covered,so NO EXCUSE FOR TEACHERS to shout HEALTH & SAFTEY !! as some would try to do A fund for Transport Costs, would be a Great Help to Schools that would like to Participate .that seems to be a Big Barrier.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lapin2008 1,587 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 All schools are different I suppose in terms of what their management think about fieldsports and what the majority of the parents views are. The same H&S thing could be said about any school trip in all fairness, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,656 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) A friend of mine took his son beating a good few years ago now and when his lad went into school telling them what he had done at the weekend my mate got called in to see the head and was told that it's not really acceptable to be taking his child out to participate in such things! Where the feck do you start when faced with a wall like that? Like has been said, any form of optional education will only be attended by those that are on board anyway. It's a loosing battle. My Son done the same,3 parents STOPPED their kids socialising out of school with him Parties the lot That's pathetic but a good example of the attitudes of some against us. I wonder how many kids turn away from a life of hunting because of pier pressure? In favour of the more socially acceptable binge drinking, drug abuse and 'gangsta' lifestyle! Now we see how even beating and ferreting face such prejudice, how the hell do you go about promoting terrier work with this? Edited July 4, 2012 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 A friend of mine took his son beating a good few years ago now and when his lad went into school telling them what he had done at the weekend my mate got called in to see the head and was told that it's not really acceptable to be taking his child out to participate in such things! Where the feck do you start when faced with a wall like that? Like has been said, any form of optional education will only be attended by those that are on board anyway. It's a loosing battle. Now if i had children thats the sort of thing that i would like to be called into school for so i could rip the piss out of some idiot teacher that has no clue. Some children c ome from towns and others stay in the country. I'd much rather have learned about Wildlife and Counrty pursuits than bloody Music, RE and f*****g French... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wullz 408 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 The park rangers visited my wee lassies nursery a couple of weeks ago, telling the kids about the animals and the work they do.....popped up a slide of a roe, Flo pipes up, "my daddy shoots them! Then he hangs them up in the back garden, takes off the skin and we eat them....". Thats my gal! She is deffo onside to the whole scene....you should see her trying to get my spaniel to work! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lapin2008 1,587 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 The park rangers visited my wee lassies nursery a couple of weeks ago, telling the kids about the animals and the work they do.....popped up a slide of a roe, Flo pipes up, "my daddy shoots them! Then he hangs them up in the back garden, takes off the skin and we eat them....". Thats my gal! She is deffo onside to the whole scene....you should see her trying to get my spaniel to work! LOL have had the same thing but with foxes, except he didnt say we ate them, thank f**k! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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