stop.end 4,082 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 lol...look im not telling anyone how it is...im telling you what i think....oh and by the way sherlock here actually lived in NY at the time they let on men in sandals.... who were funded by the cia supposedly flew into some of the biggest buildings in the world.... then i watched as how 1 of the best cities in the world was locked down worse than northern ireland in the 80s!!!! but sure hey im just high on conspiracies..... then i chose to live there for another 5 years after that and watch the lie unfold..... now back too money.... yes we all use it everday.... and we think we need it....but you just watch...the totalitarian tiptoe is happening right before your blinfolded eyes. notice recently how things have went all password and credit cards.... remind you of anywhere.... nazi germany comes too mind... now the people who monitor our money system are the same people who can order wars... keep there own friends out of jail ...and then appear on tv like they have morals... should we not all want to help everyone... we should live by happiness not by misery.... greed has posioned everyone....we think too much and we feel too little... life should be a wonderful adventure learning what you wana learn... money has ruined all this...thinking we have too keep up with this or that.... and yes i had fallen for it ... but not no more ... and you know what? im actually pleased im a lil different..... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 4,007 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Stop End i totally agree about the money situation , and you have some fair points mate ,just cant buy into the 9/11 and similiar things , as i said in earlier post if them scum had succeeded in the "Liquid Bomd Plan" i GUARENTEE conspiracy would be SCREAMED FROM HERE TOO Ohio , and i like your sense off humour concernin the Sherlock jibe , you took it how it was meant bit off fun , some on here would off got all nasty 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stop.end 4,082 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Stop End i totally agree about the money situation , and you have some fair points mate ,just cant buy into the 9/11 and similiar things , as i said in earlier post if them scum had succeeded in the "Liquid Bomd Plan" i GUARENTEE conspiracy would be SCREAMED FROM HERE TOO Ohio , and i like your sense off humour concernin the Sherlock jibe , you took it how it was meant bit off fun , some on here would off got all nasty lanersa im here to have a convo and everyone is entitled to there opinion... thats what makes this beautiful world turn.... so everyone has to rememeber we are getting away from the fact!!!!if your in love with money then greed is your goal.... morals .. values... instinct goes out the window??? why because a fictional god will make you do anything... money is a cuurency they use as a weapon.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I don't know what happened on 9/11 but I know one thing far too many things don't add up and seeing the towers go down like they did made me want to check what I also thought were conspiracy nuts stories but thats how lies and deceit work if you think way should I believe you when everything is pointing to the opposite you are saying. Some supposed facts about 9/11 are the plane doing the manoeuvre it did at the speed it did at the height it was is widely thought that a normal passenger plane cannot make them manoeuvres without breaking up at high altitude yes. The flight teachers said that the conspirators are nearly impossible to do manoeuvres like they did. There is countless videos of firemen other witnesses as it's unfolding that are saying they were in wtc while explosions were happening in the basement and lobby and seen people burned and injuries that are what you would get from explosions. The fact world trade centre 7 collapsed exactly like wtc1 and 2 without being hit by a plane. The five israelis that were chased and arrested that were israeli government employees as they were caught laughing and high flying as the planes hit and the truck full of explosives found on Washington bridge. The plane that hit the pentagon came from the opposite direction made a 180 degree turn over highways and roads and hit one out of the five sides that happened to be empty other than a few people for maintenance work all by a pilot that flight instructors say is nearly impossible by any of the people that went to flight school, not to mention it would of been easier to hit the white house close by than do a manoeuvre like the 180 degree turn. then we have the passport that survived when everything else was basically disintegrated by the explosion that was hot enough to melt steel but not a passport? the new lease that was signed just before 9/11 happened insuring wtc for this kind of attack and that person on tape saying the order was given to pull wtc7. Then i am not 100% on this but supposedly one of the hijackers was found to be alive in saudi Arabia lol but all the other things can be checked as pretty much fact in most people who's field/expertise they involve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caprelous 217 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) Theres a great deal to be said for the old Barter system money plays no part at all in it. If you got any skill or not I build you a wall tile your floor mend your pipes and in return you fix my car do my garden or whatever. Everyone skilled and talented no matter who admitedly some more than others but its a product that can be exchanged as someone out there needs your skill as you need theres. Money then has lost its power and with it its control over our lives. An example of that is the scheme we are running at the moment you cant buy your way into it but only supply effort and your time helping in our habitat program, in return we take lads out stalking, we need there help and time they need our expertease. No money changes hands everyones a winner including the environment. Edited June 21, 2012 by Caprelous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Theres a great deal to be said for the old Barter system money plays no part at all in it. If you got any skill or not I build you a wall tile your floor mend your pipes and in return you fix my car do my garden or whatever. Everyone skilled and talented no matter who admitedly some more than others but its a product that can be exchanged as someone out there needs your skill as you need theres. Money then has lost its power and with it its control over our lives. An example of that is the scheme we are running at the moment you cant buy your way into it but only supply effort and your time helping in our habitat program, in return we take lads out stalking, we need there help and time they need our expertease. No money changes hands everyones a winner including the environment. IMO a barter system would really limit a society. People with specialist skills would struggle to pay for many things. How could an anthropologist or a mathematician pay for his weekly shopping or pay a mechanic? People would stock pile 'barterable' items of worth and then that would effectively become currency, thus making the whole thing pointless. There is f**k all wrong with money! Greed causes shit, and that would exist with a standard currency based system or a bartering based system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caprelous 217 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Theres a great deal to be said for the old Barter system money plays no part at all in it. If you got any skill or not I build you a wall tile your floor mend your pipes and in return you fix my car do my garden or whatever. Everyone skilled and talented no matter who admitedly some more than others but its a product that can be exchanged as someone out there needs your skill as you need theres. Money then has lost its power and with it its control over our lives. An example of that is the scheme we are running at the moment you cant buy your way into it but only supply effort and your time helping in our habitat program, in return we take lads out stalking, we need there help and time they need our expertease. No money changes hands everyones a winner including the environment. IMO a barter system would really limit a society. People with specialist skills would struggle to pay for many things. How could an anthropologist or a mathematician pay for his weekly shopping or pay a mechanic? People would stock pile 'barterable' items of worth and then that would effectively become currency, thus making the whole thing pointless. There is f**k all wrong with money! Greed causes shit, and that would exist with a standard currency based system or a bartering based system. Theres a great deal to be said for the old Barter system money plays no part at all in it. If you got any skill or not I build you a wall tile your floor mend your pipes and in return you fix my car do my garden or whatever. Everyone skilled and talented no matter who admitedly some more than others but its a product that can be exchanged as someone out there needs your skill as you need theres. Money then has lost its power and with it its control over our lives. An example of that is the scheme we are running at the moment you cant buy your way into it but only supply effort and your time helping in our habitat program, in return we take lads out stalking, we need there help and time they need our expertease. No money changes hands everyones a winner including the environment. IMO a barter system would really limit a society. People with specialist skills would struggle to pay for many things. How could an anthropologist or a mathematician pay for his weekly shopping or pay a mechanic? People would stock pile 'barterable' items of worth and then that would effectively become currency, thus making the whole thing pointless. There is f**k all wrong with money! Greed causes shit, and that would exist with a standard currency based system or a bartering based system. Any ferking system has got to be better than what we have now at least with the bartering system your in control of if you do the barter and agree a fair trade the monetary system you have but one choice tough shit you dont get the chance to negotiate a fair and acceptable deal between the parties involved, and you dont have every other fecker like the banks and government taking a dib out of it so your left with ferk all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) Any ferking system has got to be better than what we have now at least with the bartering system your in control of if you do the barter and agree a fair trade the monetary system you have but one choice tough shit you dont get the chance to negotiate a fair and acceptable deal between the parties involved, and you dont have every other fecker like the banks and government taking a dib out of it so your left with ferk all. I would 100% rather have our current system than what I imagine a bartering based society to be like. Bartering is excellent on the small scale (I would rather barter on the small scale) but for a society to do away with currency and rely on bartering would completely stunt the societies and humans achievements IMO. Edited June 21, 2012 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ratreeper 441 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Any ferking system has got to be better than what we have now at least with the bartering system your in control of if you do the barter and agree a fair trade the monetary system you have but one choice tough shit you dont get the chance to negotiate a fair and acceptable deal between the parties involved, and you dont have every other fecker like the banks and government taking a dib out of it so your left with ferk all. I would 100% rather have our current system than what I imagine a bartering based society to be like. Bartering is excellent on the small scale (I would rather barter on the small scale) but for a society to do away with currency and rely on bartering would completely stunt the societies and humans achievements IMO. Would that be such a bad thing in the long-term? We are on a path to extinction because everyone is programmed to want more and more and in the end greed will destroy everything. We rely on more technology to fix problems, but eventually there won't be a way to return fish to the sea, pollinate plants or bring back trees. The best solution would be to reduce the population down to a few billion instead of trying to manage an expanding population no-one seems to question as being a bad idea. I honestly don't think that society is better today than for our grandparents, quality of life might be better but the divide between rich and poor is ever increasing and I think happiness is taking a down turn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caprelous 217 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Any ferking system has got to be better than what we have now at least with the bartering system your in control of if you do the barter and agree a fair trade the monetary system you have but one choice tough shit you dont get the chance to negotiate a fair and acceptable deal between the parties involved, and you dont have every other fecker like the banks and government taking a dib out of it so your left with ferk all. I would 100% rather have our current system than what I imagine a bartering based society to be like. Bartering is excellent on the small scale (I would rather barter on the small scale) but for a society to do away with currency and rely on bartering would completely stunt the societies and humans achievements IMO. Any ferking system has got to be better than what we have now at least with the bartering system your in control of if you do the barter and agree a fair trade the monetary system you have but one choice tough shit you dont get the chance to negotiate a fair and acceptable deal between the parties involved, and you dont have every other fecker like the banks and government taking a dib out of it so your left with ferk all. I would 100% rather have our current system than what I imagine a bartering based society to be like. Bartering is excellent on the small scale (I would rather barter on the small scale) but for a society to do away with currency and rely on bartering would completely stunt the societies and humans achievements IMO. Maybe a tandem system would be acceptable those that prefer a good roggering and have a sore arse carry on in the monetary system that they are used to and enjoy. others who have had enough of it and been shafted and still have a bleeding ring piece should carry out business in the black economy Now let me see I will have to think long and hard on this one its a bit taxing for me to come to a conclusion of which I prefer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) Would that be such a bad thing in the long-term? We are on a path to extinction because everyone is programmed to want more and more and in the end greed will destroy everything. We rely on more technology to fix problems, but eventually there won't be a way to return fish to the sea, pollinate plants or bring back trees. The best solution would be to reduce the population down to a few billion instead of trying to manage an expanding population no-one seems to question as being a bad idea. I honestly don't think that society is better today than for our grandparents, quality of life might be better but the divide between rich and poor is ever increasing and I think happiness is taking a down turn. We can't change our nature, it's what has got us here and it is what will have to save us. We could have continued pond lifeing about the place like every other species, but we didn't we evolved into what we are now. Our competative and adaptive superiority put us here and now it is threatening us. Suddenly burning all ya fivers and bartering won't change jack shit. Money isn't the problem, human nature is. Edited June 21, 2012 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Any ferking system has got to be better than what we have now at least with the bartering system your in control of if you do the barter and agree a fair trade the monetary system you have but one choice tough shit you dont get the chance to negotiate a fair and acceptable deal between the parties involved, and you dont have every other fecker like the banks and government taking a dib out of it so your left with ferk all. I would 100% rather have our current system than what I imagine a bartering based society to be like. Bartering is excellent on the small scale (I would rather barter on the small scale) but for a society to do away with currency and rely on bartering would completely stunt the societies and humans achievements IMO. Any ferking system has got to be better than what we have now at least with the bartering system your in control of if you do the barter and agree a fair trade the monetary system you have but one choice tough shit you dont get the chance to negotiate a fair and acceptable deal between the parties involved, and you dont have every other fecker like the banks and government taking a dib out of it so your left with ferk all. I would 100% rather have our current system than what I imagine a bartering based society to be like. Bartering is excellent on the small scale (I would rather barter on the small scale) but for a society to do away with currency and rely on bartering would completely stunt the societies and humans achievements IMO. Maybe a tandem system would be acceptable those that prefer a good roggering and have a sore arse carry on in the monetary system that they are used to and enjoy. others who have had enough of it and been shafted and still have a bleeding ring piece should carry out business in the black economy Now let me see I will have to think long and hard on this one its a bit taxing for me to come to a conclusion of which I prefer There's f**k all stopping you fella. Crack on. I can't see myself earning very much though so I'll just have to stick with old fashioned sterling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Would that be such a bad thing in the long-term? We are on a path to extinction because everyone is programmed to want more and more and in the end greed will destroy everything. We rely on more technology to fix problems, but eventually there won't be a way to return fish to the sea, pollinate plants or bring back trees. The best solution would be to reduce the population down to a few billion instead of trying to manage an expanding population no-one seems to question as being a bad idea. I honestly don't think that society is better today than for our grandparents, quality of life might be better but the divide between rich and poor is ever increasing and I think happiness is taking a down turn. We can't change our nature, it's what has got us here and it is what will have to save us. We could have continued pond lifeing about the place like every other species, but we didn't we evolved into what we are now. Our competative and adaptive superiority put us here and now it is threatening us. Suddenly burning all ya fivers and bartering won't change jack shit. Money isn't the problem, human nature is. It's just getting the balance between the two spot on and then trying to maintain that balance. We could continue to develop and thrive indefinitely with the correct application of our knowledge and technical know how. I do think that the quest for all things materiel is holding us back as a species though, keeping things as they is beneficial for an ever growing percentage of the human race.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caprelous 217 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) Would that be such a bad thing in the long-term? We are on a path to extinction because everyone is programmed to want more and more and in the end greed will destroy everything. We rely on more technology to fix problems, but eventually there won't be a way to return fish to the sea, pollinate plants or bring back trees. The best solution would be to reduce the population down to a few billion instead of trying to manage an expanding population no-one seems to question as being a bad idea. I honestly don't think that society is better today than for our grandparents, quality of life might be better but the divide between rich and poor is ever increasing and I think happiness is taking a down turn. We can't change our nature, it's what has got us here and it is what will have to save us. We could have continued pond lifeing about the place like every other species, but we didn't we evolved into what we are now. Our competative and adaptive superiority put us here and now it is threatening us. Suddenly burning all ya fivers and bartering won't change jack shit. Money isn't the problem, human nature is. Would that be such a bad thing in the long-term? We are on a path to extinction because everyone is programmed to want more and more and in the end greed will destroy everything. We rely on more technology to fix problems, but eventually there won't be a way to return fish to the sea, pollinate plants or bring back trees. The best solution would be to reduce the population down to a few billion instead of trying to manage an expanding population no-one seems to question as being a bad idea. I honestly don't think that society is better today than for our grandparents, quality of life might be better but the divide between rich and poor is ever increasing and I think happiness is taking a down turn. We can't change our nature, it's what has got us here and it is what will have to save us. We could have continued pond lifeing about the place like every other species, but we didn't we evolved into what we are now. Our competative and adaptive superiority put us here and now it is threatening us. Suddenly burning all ya fivers and bartering won't change jack shit. Money isn't the problem, human nature is. I agree with you about human nature if Joe Bloggs see a chap down the road with a nice car he thinks I want one of those, but I want mine to be bigger and better than what Bloggs has got and so it goes on. This is what the financial system preys on and exploits to the full we go into debt to borrow money to buy that car so we are better than joe Bloggs, but all we are doing is fuelling the situation. Any ferking car will do as long as its reliable and does it job gets from a to b what they was designed for to transport people and goods but no we want a new flash all dancing gleaming b*****d. Its all to do with showing off as in nature the animal with the bigger flashy antlers and bollocks gets the decent bird and this applies to humans so your right to a large degree. But when it no longer matters to have the bigger antlers and bollocks to show to your mate your the dogs doodas neither does it matter to have all these attachments and you start thinking money is a tool just like your car and if it does the job why buy another to keep up with Bloggs. Look at the waste of energy in producing a new car ( antlers Bollocks) why not keep the old faithfull going thats stood the test of time, it leaves a lesser carbon footprint on our earth as does other item that cost money to produce so why not make them all last as long as we can. God my stones are aching writing this Edited June 21, 2012 by Caprelous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I agree with you about human nature if Joe Bloggs see a chap down the road with a nice car he thinks i wont one of those but I want mine to be bigger and better than what Bloggs has got and so it goes on. This is what the financial system preys on and exploits to the full we go into debt to borrow money to buy that car so we are better than joe Bloggs but all we are doing is fuelling the situation. Any ferking car will do as long as its reliable and does it job gets from a to b what they was designed for to transport people and goods but no we want a new flash all dancing gleaming b*****d. Its all to do with showing off as in nature the animal with the bigger flashy antlers and bollocks gets the decent bird and this applies to humans so your right to a large degree. But when it no longer matters to have the bigger antlers and bollocks to show to your mate your the dogs doodas neither does it matter to have all these attachments and you start thinking money is a tool just like your car and if it does the job why buy another to keep up with blogs. Look at the waste of energy in producing a new car ( antlers Bollocks) why not keep the old faithfull going thats stood the test of time, it leaves a lesser carbon footprint on our earth as does other item that cost money to produce so why not make them all last as long as we can. God my stones are aching writing this When it no longer matters the human race will loose its competative superiority and will soon become extinct! Like I said, it put us where we are and it will be what we rely on to save us. I know what you're saying and I agree but our greed is our advantage and our curse. We live in a competative world and that environment produces the best and the worst. Without it I genuinely believe we would be nothing. As Malt has just said, it's about finding a balance. Unfortunately I don't think we are really capable of sustaining any balance, it's just not natural for a species. We will boom and then we will bust and the cycle will repeat, no matter the society. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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