PlasticJock 539 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Voted ukip for a while now. I like that Nigel farage he says it like it is. A good leader IMO Lol wouldn't go as far calling them mercenaries but I get what you mean. Maybe I shouldn't have used that word I just meant as has always been the way, lads join for a steady wage and in some cases to escape their problems. So almost selfish reasons lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RubyTex 1,957 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Yer lets all cheer for the tanker drivers "yay for strikers". There only in it for themselves theyve got a strangle hold on the business with wages as high as £45 grand and because businesses are having the audacity to try and hire other people there spitting there dummies out. People think its some kind of revolution, you need actual REAL hardship for a revolution. You need people dieing in the streets. You need people getting thrown away in cells to be torchered. Not because some fat trucker cant afford his new BMW this year. Why are people still moaning about cuts? ... THE COUNTRY HAS NO MONEY! Honestly some one you are so blinded by your hate for the Torries it makes you sounds stupid. In the industreal revolution Unions meant something. They fought for the rights that we all have (but i bet most dont use), for that IM thankful. What do they do these days? The cause trouble, they try to get there own back because the nasty torries f****d up there shit 30 years go. Realy the question is .. WHY are you all supporting some one who is paid £45 grand (which i would bet is considerably more that 95% of the people on this board) when all there doing is making your life harder? You can kid yourselves all you want but the reasons they are doing it is pure and simple, self interest. Why SHOULDNT the job be open to more people? Why SHOULDNT random joe bloggs lorry driver have a chance at making some real money driving a fuel tanker? What a misguided muppet, 45k a year? Righto. Lucky to get £10 an hour for some of the jobs round here, which is still a decent wage but that's not the point is it? f*****g 'real' hardship open your eyes pal! Tanker drivers are on £45k a year, not every one. Read the post first ... muppet. And im not your "pal". The point is that they aren't kicking off about the wages! "I ain't your pal, Vanilla". Not that you'd know where that quote came from, ya fooking square! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buch 145 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 The point is that they aren't kicking off about the wages! "I ain't your pal, Vanilla". Not that you'd know where that quote came from, ya fooking square! Im not gona lie its not he first time ive been called square . Goolge is my "pal" though and told me the quote was from a recent motion picture by the name of "Role Models" ... it looks a right hoot. My point is it is totaly about wages. There getting undercut by some one willing to do the work for less. Its called buisness so unles you want to resurect Lenin then were stuck with it. The point about Solmalia wasnt about how much of a shit hole the country was in it was about the drought in the Horn of Africa in general. People in Britain are so so lucky to live the comparativly lavish lifestyles we do and you have lorry drivers complaining that 40k isnt enough. TBH i think you make the best point foxfan, that the money is probably just for higher proffits for the company, but again as i said its buisness (which i guess is abit of a cop-out but i dont know enough about it to say anthing else). scothunter i mentioned squaddies not for any reason onther than the started training them last week or something. Lads and lasses straight out of school (some of em) with a week or 2s training, how dangerous can the job be? Soldiers as mercinaries i would probably agree with to an extent, you only have to look at the amount of blokes that leave only to work for private security companys. Its also not the first time ive been called naive but you seem to think its black and white PlasticJock, im sure there are many things i dont know about the ins and outs, the dirty workings of the nation, you do seem to have a very "conspiracy theory"ist view of it though. Any chance you can point me in the right direction of some reading material? *whisper* We'd best type quietly though incase they hear us ... *whisper* How about you think of it like this. Theres a bloke whos been driving for Tesco the last 10 years, he wants more money so he tries to do some work for a tanker company but he cant because he has to jump through rediculous "saftey" hoops which enable the tanker driver to have a strangle hold on all the tanker work were they earn double what every one else does. There not out for the regular bloke, there out for themselves, as are the Unions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fazza123 517 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 A good debate lads with some interesting points on both sides.I just hope the farmers and co get involved.It might be about there wages but if others help out then then the goverment will have to listen cos there taking the piss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 The point is that they aren't kicking off about the wages! "I ain't your pal, Vanilla". Not that you'd know where that quote came from, ya fooking square! Im not gona lie its not he first time ive been called square . Goolge is my "pal" though and told me the quote was from a recent motion picture by the name of "Role Models" ... it looks a right hoot. My point is it is totaly about wages. There getting undercut by some one willing to do the work for less. Its called buisness so unles you want to resurect Lenin then were stuck with it. The point about Solmalia wasnt about how much of a shit hole the country was in it was about the drought in the Horn of Africa in general. People in Britain are so so lucky to live the comparativly lavish lifestyles we do and you have lorry drivers complaining that 40k isnt enough. TBH i think you make the best point foxfan, that the money is probably just for higher proffits for the company, but again as i said its buisness (which i guess is abit of a cop-out but i dont know enough about it to say anthing else). scothunter i mentioned squaddies not for any reason onther than the started training them last week or something. Lads and lasses straight out of school (some of em) with a week or 2s training, how dangerous can the job be? Soldiers as mercinaries i would probably agree with to an extent, you only have to look at the amount of blokes that leave only to work for private security companys. Its also not the first time ive been called naive but you seem to think its black and white PlasticJock, im sure there are many things i dont know about the ins and outs, the dirty workings of the nation, you do seem to have a very "conspiracy theory"ist view of it though. Any chance you can point me in the right direction of some reading material? *whisper* We'd best type quietly though incase they hear us ... *whisper* How about you think of it like this. Theres a bloke whos been driving for Tesco the last 10 years, he wants more money so he tries to do some work for a tanker company but he cant because he has to jump through rediculous "saftey" hoops which enable the tanker driver to have a strangle hold on all the tanker work were they earn double what every one else does. There not out for the regular bloke, there out for themselves, as are the Unions. Buch, if you've been paying attention over the last week, you'll understand that whispering won't do us much good, if government pass the bill allowing them to spy on our communications without reasonable suspicion (so anytime) But maybe that's just a 'theory' You're absolutely right, I do see the world in black and white most of the time. However, if you look through my content I'm sure you will find many examples of when I've held my hands up and say ''I was wrong.'' if you can convince me otherwise on an issue then I'm all ears Anything that I say can generally be backed up with fact, if you want me to explain any of my points further, then please ask Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fazza123 517 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 What's this new bill about PJ? Is that anyone's mobile phones ? If so that's ridiculous !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 What's this new bill about PJ? Is that anyone's mobile phones ? If so that's ridiculous !! Hi Fazza, the home office is pushing through a new piece of legislation which will force Internet providers to install software allowing police and intelligence services access to your computer history, mobile history, who you've been contacting, what sites you've visited and for how long etc. without a warrant. They will still require a warrant to read emails apparently... Yet again, this is being put forward under the pretext of for the greater good. Backbenchers and civil liberty groups are going mad, but we all know how much the government listens to them - they lie to win elections and once they're in do as they please anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 All well and good people shouting for action to get the Torys out but who is going to take over? Dead Millipede, Odd Balls and the rest of the cronies of New Traitor? Personally I would hang those b*****ds for how there 'Import a Labour Voter Scheme' which in 12 years left large swathes of our cities unrecognisable. Guess what, that can never be reversed! Not saying that I am happy with everything going on but I believe Labour policys of spend your way out of recession would leave us in the same position as Ireland, Greece and now it looks like Spain. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 All well and good people shouting for action to get the Torys out but who is going to take over? Dead Millipede, Odd Balls and the rest of the cronies of New Traitor? Personally I would hang those b*****ds for how there 'Import a Labour Voter Scheme' which in 12 years left large swathes of our cities unrecognisable. Guess what, that can never be reversed! Not saying that I am happy with everything going on but I believe Labour policys of spend your way out of recession would leave us in the same position as Ireland, Greece and now it looks like Spain. Shepp, personally I wouldn't let any of them take over after the decades of lies, scandals and criminal misuse of office. But that's just me. Personally, I couldnt give a toss for the recession either... There's no such thing. ''We owe money.'' What's money? Promissory notes backed up by absolutely nothing. This 'recession' is because we are still playing the banks games. Money is officially classed as ''Accepted for Value'' meaning its only worth something because we accept it - we accept all sorts of stress and austerity measures for a bunch of IOU's... What a load of crap 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ginga john 268 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 (edited) john the tanker drivers ARE NOT striking over wages it safety issues as all the big fuel companies are subbin out to genral haulage companies who are tryin to use untrained drivers, they have a trained and inducted driver go into the terminal and load then go back to the yard and swap over with an untrained driver to go and deliver the load fcking madness the whole industry is getting to be a joke Not sure where got your info from Topper but to even drive a tanker you must have passed an ADR course and then a specific loading unloading course for the type of load carried such as flammable liquids (petrol, diesel etc) , no course, no drive a tanker, simples The issue I understand is with the sub contractors to the refineries (Hoya being the biggest) wanting to hurry up the loading and unloading to save time and thus money, Hoya especially are owned by a billionaire German who makes Eddy Stobart look like post man Pat, their speciality is cost cutting To you and me thats reducing the value of the job to near feck all, having driven a 35000 litre petrol bomb in the traffic of today with all sorts of muppets wondering why you cant go around a bend at 56 mph its worth every penny ov the £17 pound per hour that you get if your lucky, one of the issues is that the agency drivers with an ADR but no loading - unloading training are being offered at £14 ph so it puts even more pressure on the job As usual its greed from the top that ruins it all for the bloke (or lass) doing the job, a nice strike for a month would do the country a power of good, I hate unions and all who sail in them but they could all help and get a little bit back for the little bloke who's efforts actually acheive something Edited April 2, 2012 by ginga john Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Tanker drivers threating to strike on H@S grounds what a load of bollocks 37k or 47k its a fair wage in the current market I climb trees and have more H@S worries in day than they do in 12 months and I earn alot less. Wish they just had the balls to say we want more money rather phiss it H@S yet to find a accident recorded of a untrained tanker driver . Not one of 171 deaths in the workplace in 2011 had anything to do with ADR transportation. Cookie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buch 145 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 The point is that they aren't kicking off about the wages! "I ain't your pal, Vanilla". Not that you'd know where that quote came from, ya fooking square! Im not gona lie its not he first time ive been called square . Goolge is my "pal" though and told me the quote was from a recent motion picture by the name of "Role Models" ... it looks a right hoot. My point is it is totaly about wages. There getting undercut by some one willing to do the work for less. Its called buisness so unles you want to resurect Lenin then were stuck with it. The point about Solmalia wasnt about how much of a shit hole the country was in it was about the drought in the Horn of Africa in general. People in Britain are so so lucky to live the comparativly lavish lifestyles we do and you have lorry drivers complaining that 40k isnt enough. TBH i think you make the best point foxfan, that the money is probably just for higher proffits for the company, but again as i said its buisness (which i guess is abit of a cop-out but i dont know enough about it to say anthing else). scothunter i mentioned squaddies not for any reason onther than the started training them last week or something. Lads and lasses straight out of school (some of em) with a week or 2s training, how dangerous can the job be? Soldiers as mercinaries i would probably agree with to an extent, you only have to look at the amount of blokes that leave only to work for private security companys. Its also not the first time ive been called naive but you seem to think its black and white PlasticJock, im sure there are many things i dont know about the ins and outs, the dirty workings of the nation, you do seem to have a very "conspiracy theory"ist view of it though. Any chance you can point me in the right direction of some reading material? *whisper* We'd best type quietly though incase they hear us ... *whisper* How about you think of it like this. Theres a bloke whos been driving for Tesco the last 10 years, he wants more money so he tries to do some work for a tanker company but he cant because he has to jump through rediculous "saftey" hoops which enable the tanker driver to have a strangle hold on all the tanker work were they earn double what every one else does. There not out for the regular bloke, there out for themselves, as are the Unions. Buch, if you've been paying attention over the last week, you'll understand that whispering won't do us much good, if government pass the bill allowing them to spy on our communications without reasonable suspicion (so anytime) But maybe that's just a 'theory' You're absolutely right, I do see the world in black and white most of the time. However, if you look through my content I'm sure you will find many examples of when I've held my hands up and say ''I was wrong.'' if you can convince me otherwise on an issue then I'm all ears Anything that I say can generally be backed up with fact, if you want me to explain any of my points further, then please ask That was my point about whispering exacaly . I just think if the every were was as much like the illuminate as your implying then wed know about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 john the tanker drivers ARE NOT striking over wages it safety issues as all the big fuel companies are subbin out to genral haulage companies who are tryin to use untrained drivers, they have a trained and inducted driver go into the terminal and load then go back to the yard and swap over with an untrained driver to go and deliver the load fcking madness the whole industry is getting to be a joke Not sure where got your info from Topper but to even drive a tanker you must have passed an ADR course and then a specific loading unloading course for the type of load carried such as flammable liquids (petrol, diesel etc) , no course, no drive a tanker, simples The issue I understand is with the sub contractors to the refineries (Hoya being the biggest) wanting to hurry up the loading and unloading to save time and thus money, Hoya especially are owned by a billionaire German who makes Eddy Stobart look like post man Pat, their speciality is cost cutting To you and me thats reducing the value of the job to near feck all, having driven a 35000 litre petrol bomb in the traffic of today with all sorts of muppets wondering why you cant go around a bend at 56 mph its worth every penny ov the £17 pound per hour that you get if your lucky, one of the issues is that the agency drivers with an ADR but no loading - unloading training are being offered at £14 ph so it puts even more pressure on the job As usual its greed from the top that ruins it all for the bloke (or lass) doing the job, a nice strike for a month would do the country a power of good, I hate unions and all who sail in them but they could all help and get a little bit back for the little bloke who's efforts actually acheive something Thats why hoyer have ADR driver of year comps then http://www.hse.gov.uk/roadsafety/experience/hoyer.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,519 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Yer lets all cheer for the tanker drivers "yay for strikers". There only in it for themselves theyve got a strangle hold on the business with wages as high as £45 grand and because businesses are having the audacity to try and hire other people there spitting there dummies out. People think its some kind of revolution, you need actual REAL hardship for a revolution. You need people dieing in the streets. You need people getting thrown away in cells to be torchered. Not because some fat trucker cant afford his new BMW this year. Why are people still moaning about cuts? ... THE COUNTRY HAS NO MONEY! Honestly some one you are so blinded by your hate for the Torries it makes you sounds stupid. In the industreal revolution Unions meant something. They fought for the rights that we all have (but i bet most dont use), for that IM thankful. What do they do these days? The cause trouble, they try to get there own back because the nasty torries f****d up there shit 30 years go. Realy the question is .. WHY are you all supporting some one who is paid £45 grand (which i would bet is considerably more that 95% of the people on this board) when all there doing is making your life harder? You can kid yourselves all you want but the reasons they are doing it is pure and simple, self interest. Why SHOULDNT the job be open to more people? Why SHOULDNT random joe bloggs lorry driver have a chance at making some real money driving a fuel tanker? why the tax cuts if the country has no money buch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buch 145 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 (edited) Tanker drivers threating to strike on H@S grounds what a load of bollocks 37k or 47k its a fair wage in the current market I climb trees and have more H@S worries in day than they do in 12 months and I earn alot less. Wish they just had the balls to say we want more money rather phiss it H@S yet to find a accident recorded of a untrained tanker driver . Not one of 171 deaths in the workplace in 2011 had anything to do with ADR transportation. Cookie Yer thats my point exacaly. Yer lets all cheer for the tanker drivers "yay for strikers". There only in it for themselves theyve got a strangle hold on the business with wages as high as £45 grand and because businesses are having the audacity to try and hire other people there spitting there dummies out. People think its some kind of revolution, you need actual REAL hardship for a revolution. You need people dieing in the streets. You need people getting thrown away in cells to be torchered. Not because some fat trucker cant afford his new BMW this year. Why are people still moaning about cuts? ... THE COUNTRY HAS NO MONEY! Honestly some one you are so blinded by your hate for the Torries it makes you sounds stupid. In the industreal revolution Unions meant something. They fought for the rights that we all have (but i bet most dont use), for that IM thankful. What do they do these days? The cause trouble, they try to get there own back because the nasty torries f****d up there shit 30 years go. Realy the question is .. WHY are you all supporting some one who is paid £45 grand (which i would bet is considerably more that 95% of the people on this board) when all there doing is making your life harder? You can kid yourselves all you want but the reasons they are doing it is pure and simple, self interest. Why SHOULDNT the job be open to more people? Why SHOULDNT random joe bloggs lorry driver have a chance at making some real money driving a fuel tanker? why the tax cuts if the country has no money buch It was a neutral budget. They just moved the money around from one place to another without increasing or deacreasing the money coming in over all. Edited April 2, 2012 by Buch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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