arcticgun 4,548 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 This could of been avoided by simply not being where we where not welcome in the first place he should however be punished by the people of Afganhnistan and face what comes for what he did , mind the Americans knew lads from that squad weren't exactly mentaly stable, read somewhere they had be investigated for 'thrill killing' keeping ears fingers etc as momento's (too many movies methinks ) they been out there a long time and likely seen some awful shit, its will have its affect in both short and long terms, even more so when they realise its all been over f**k all , except lies and deceit, soon as they out choas will reign gain and the Taliban will soon be back firmly in charge, these peopel don't want to be like us they got their own cultural identity and ways , they never asked us to save them and we haven't and won't 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 IMO the yanks are not professional nor are they career soldiers. Most are conned into joining through patriotic bullshit. You only need to watch the dumb vids on jewtube. Throwing grenades around for a laff. Shooting off stingers and rounds. Then there was that one lobbing a puppy off a cliff. I can just see that kinda of thing happening in the British army NOT! As much as we do not care for they c**ts. Killing kids casually is not on. Even if they are gonba grow up to be terrorist fanatics. Like I said there be a few note committed suicide bombers signing up the day. Them there the fanatics that are already in the USA and uk who might just think that walking into a school and killing a few of our kids is justified. No good will come of this of that we can be sure of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mickey Finn 3,081 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 The shooting of innocent civilians was tragic. If it prokose any response at all. It should be concern, for the mental health of our soldiers. As for trying them in Afghanistan? Thats not how we do things. ATB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,662 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 The United states marine corp alone numbers some 200,000 active personell.........the whole british army is below 150,000 (almost classed as a malitia!!!) Considering the United States whole armed forces is around 1.5 million personell, I dont think you can exactly say that the US military has a problem with rouge troops!! I wonder how many civillians out of 1.5 million are commiting really bad crimes? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 imo on one hand we are there to bring "justice democracy rule of law" etc etc and then when it comes to an american thats commited a crime that justice is swiftly done away how they see fit so it is a bit of double standards but i dont think he should be tried there as there is no way ghe would get a fair trial and what we would see as sufficient punishment but it was commited on their territory but in war time situations only those who have been there and seen are the ones able to judge him so to me it should be a trial by military people Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinytiger 872 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 As soon as we leave the Taliban will take over - We couldn't deport Abu Qutada because of the human rights issues, so he shouldn't be left there IMO. He should be brought back and hopefully face the death penalty for killing those poor kids I kind of agree with you-but because of being a military man/trained killer in a war situation-they would probably argue diminished responsibility for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,217 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 At the end of the day, i'm surprised it doesnt happen more often, given the kind of folk they recruit, and the kind of brain washing they recieve . . . . I have loads of kids in my school who want to join the army - why? - To kill rag heads. - To blow shit up. - To f**k up the pakis. Same kids couldnt find afghanistan or pakistan on a world map, have never left their south wales shit hole of a town, and have such a flawed understanding of politics, hostory etc, that it is painful (so a lot in common with most of THL ) At the end of the day the yanks cant wade about saying they are the world police, christain soldiers etc, and invading all these countries in order to bring peace, democracy or fairness etc, and then do nowt when a lad goes mental and shoots a load of women and kids. If i did it, then i would be sent down for life or excecuted, so the same should go for him. It wasnt a 'combat situation', he wasnt calling in an air strike to save his platoon or any of that other shit thats been spouted, he went house to house systematiclly killing people. Them women and kids were just like any others, it doesnt matter what colour or religion they were. As for 'oh but the taliban do worse' - ok then why the f**k are we wasting our soldiers lives trying to stop them, if we are going to let the yanks just do the same? It's a waste of fecking time and effort, fighting a war we cant win, a modern day vietnam. My great grandfather fought there, and my grandfather went through the region as well, and they both said its unsolvable and best left well a lone. The yanks have never, in their history i think, allowed one of their military personal to be tried to a civilian court, so basiclly they can just get away with it and 'retire' them. At the end of the day, you walk out and kill a load of kids for pretty much no good reason, mental or not, and you have to pay the price, no ifs, no buts. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 do you honestly believe that they value human life in the same way as we do in the west? if it had been anyone but a soldier it wouldnt have even been reported by the media. read up on afganistan history the mujahadine prior to the taliban saw women and children as trinkets taken after the slaughter of rival factions then the taliban took over after the russians left and sharia law was enforced to a draconian level women and children suffering the most. yes what he did is inexcusable in the eyes of the west and im sure he will be held accountable for his actions. but in the eyes of the afgainies the fact it was a soldier is worth more for the publicity it creates than the lives he took. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,662 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 At the end of the day, you walk out and kill a load of kids for pretty much no good reason, mental or not, and you have to pay the price, no ifs, no buts. Except if your names Bomber Harris or your the crew of the Enola Gay ..........theres no way I condone what this soldier did but if you put young men into extreme extraordinary combat situations then there is no way you should afterwards throw them to the wolves if it all go,s tits up. If your not going to back up your own lads by at least letting them have a trial on their home turf then dont send them to war! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Well said jai. Very easy to sit here saying this and that but those wee bits of bairns did f**k all wrong and the only thing they are guilty of is to be born into a f****d up country and religion. Lol I used to think I was extreme right but reading some of the comments I'm a f*****g liberal lol Although I suspect it's just the usual thl bravado billshit being spouted. If any of you honestly think this is just acceptable cause of the war then you really need your heads looked at. Just Take a moment out and look at your own kids and actually think how would you feel if some f*****g psycho came in during night and shot them along with your wife's. I'd be strapping a Bomb myself and heading to the nearest army check point. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrCh 856 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 At the end of the day, i'm surprised it doesnt happen more often, given the kind of folk they recruit, and the kind of brain washing they recieve . . . . I have loads of kids in my school who want to join the army - why? - To kill rag heads. - To blow shit up. - To f**k up the pakis. Same kids couldnt find afghanistan or pakistan on a world map, have never left their south wales shit hole of a town, and have such a flawed understanding of politics, hostory etc, that it is painful (so a lot in common with most of THL ) At the end of the day the yanks cant wade about saying they are the world police, christain soldiers etc, and invading all these countries in order to bring peace, democracy or fairness etc, and then do nowt when a lad goes mental and shoots a load of women and kids. If i did it, then i would be sent down for life or excecuted, so the same should go for him. It wasnt a 'combat situation', he wasnt calling in an air strike to save his platoon or any of that other shit thats been spouted, he went house to house systematiclly killing people. Them women and kids were just like any others, it doesnt matter what colour or religion they were. As for 'oh but the taliban do worse' - ok then why the f**k are we wasting our soldiers lives trying to stop them, if we are going to let the yanks just do the same? It's a waste of fecking time and effort, fighting a war we cant win, a modern day vietnam. My great grandfather fought there, and my grandfather went through the region as well, and they both said its unsolvable and best left well a lone. The yanks have never, in their history i think, allowed one of their military personal to be tried to a civilian court, so basiclly they can just get away with it and 'retire' them. At the end of the day, you walk out and kill a load of kids for pretty much no good reason, mental or not, and you have to pay the price, no ifs, no buts. Those were the days...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hedz31 1,308 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Let's not forget who it was that put the taliban regime into power Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,662 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Well said jai. Very easy to sit here saying this and that but those wee bits of bairns did f**k all wrong and the only thing they are guilty of is to be born into a f****d up country and religion. Lol I used to think I was extreme right but reading some of the comments I'm a f*****g liberal lol Although I suspect it's just the usual thl bravado billshit being spouted. If any of you honestly think this is just acceptable cause of the war then you really need your heads looked at. Just Take a moment out and look at your own kids and actually think how would you feel if some f*****g psycho came in during night and shot them along with your wife's. I'd be strapping a Bomb myself and heading to the nearest army check point. I dont think anyone could ever accuse you of being a liberal pal I have kids and if they had been in the wrong place at the wrong time on 7/7 then I wouldnt be sitting here now........politicians send lads off to fight these wars with in a set framework of rules (just like northern ireland) when the people we are fighting aint playing by the f*****g rules. I think all the fighting men do very well, they get sent to a village to try and root out "the enemy"......trouble is, those who are the enemy at night are your best pals in the day! The reason our lads are getting levelled day in, day out is so there are the minimum civillian casulties, it would save a lot of lives (british and american lives) if they just ironed out a whole village at a time from the air if it was even suspected of holding enemy insurgants......but we are much too civilised for that. Its easy for a politician or a keyboard comentator like me to be civilised when its not my life or the lives of my pals at risk. The lad blew a gasket and imho who can blame him, as for the Afghans........so f**k! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I think there alot of comments from members who A have no real knowledge of the politics in any of the countrys that there comments are based on news rather than real life living . B had bullets whizzing over there head But back to real question shooting children one on one eye to eye is pure sick and he either needs to be locked away for either murder or because he is mentaly instable. Comparing the mass bombing in WW2 of women children that was living near manfacturing war machine plants of NAZI germany is maddness and complete diffrent form of warfare was in place. Now in oxfordshire working in youth work shows a diffrent take They want to join A for a career B to fight for queen and our country C to gain respect A complete diffrent opinion for a reason I dont know ATB Cookie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Well said jai. Very easy to sit here saying this and that but those wee bits of bairns did f**k all wrong and the only thing they are guilty of is to be born into a f****d up country and religion. Lol I used to think I was extreme right but reading some of the comments I'm a f*****g liberal lol Although I suspect it's just the usual thl bravado billshit being spouted. If any of you honestly think this is just acceptable cause of the war then you really need your heads looked at. Just Take a moment out and look at your own kids and actually think how would you feel if some f*****g psycho came in during night and shot them along with your wife's. I'd be strapping a Bomb myself and heading to the nearest army check point. I dont think anyone could ever accuse you of being a liberal pal I have kids and if they had been in the wrong place at the wrong time on 7/7 then I wouldnt be sitting here now........politicians send lads off to fight these wars with in a set framework of rules (just like northern ireland) when the people we are fighting aint playing by the f*****g rules. I think all the fighting men do very well, they get sent to a village to try and root out "the enemy"......trouble is, those who are the enemy at night are your best pals in the day! The reason our lads are getting levelled day in, day out is so there are the minimum civillian casulties, it would save a lot of lives (british and american lives) if they just ironed out a whole village at a time from the air if it was even suspected of holding enemy insurgants......but we are much too civilised for that. Its easy for a politician or a keyboard comentator like me to be civilised when its not my life or the lives of my pals at risk. The lad blew a gasket and imho who can blame him, as for the Afghans........so f**k! lol prob not wilf I can just imagine the strain and pressure they under I Can justify innocents being killed in air strikes and cross fire but this wasnt one of them. And hopefully he will need to answer for wat he did . Which I think he will that can't be covered up, and if it is then the good old USA will need to be extra vigilant Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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