shes very looky shes not my child let me tell thee

[the night hunter 130]

she must have learnt it from someone.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

she must have learnt it from someone.

 

Not really. When my youngest lad was about 4-5 he used to say "blacks and whites don't mix". I asked him why? and he just laughed and said "because they don't". He didn't learn that from me and certainly not from his mother, nor any of my family. We've got mixed race people in our family who he would see on the occasion and friends of ours that would come over of different colours.

 

It was just that he noticed there was a difference from a young age and made his own mind up about it.

 

I'm not just saying it because he's my son, but he's probably the most well natured caring kid I've ever come across for his age. I wonder what they would of said about him in the Newspapers though?

 

Vile hate filled White supremacist aged 4!!!!

[bird 9,599]

she did wrong, but some dogs that are like that week temps(born that way) do drive you up the wall, and its very easy to bully dogs with temps like that, she did wrong but dogs like that will test even the most layed back person, dogs weak like that are no good to any fecker .!!!!!!!

 

If a weak dog, or person, 'drives you up the wall' (in your own words) and makes you want to kick it, then it shows that bullies are even weaker. For someone to want to hit or kick a 'weak' dog, it shows that the person doing the kicking is actually even weaker than the 'weak dog'. Bullying weak things shows that the bully is scared of most things, including their own selves, and is in a very unhappy place indeed.

 

Someone once said that violence is the last resort of a frustrated mind: I agree in part, though not completely. I'm not making excuses for the girl, who was probably a horrible kid (wonder what she's like now), but I doubt very much if her upbringing did much to help her develop as a nice person.

 

As far as you saying that weak dogs are no use to anyone: don't forget that the vast majority of dogs bred nowadays are bred for the pet market. Most people don't want strong, assertive dogs. They want soft, submissive pets which would never dare turn on a violent owner. They want dogs which wouldn't dare say boo to a goose, ones which fall into line from puppyhood, dogs with no drive or strength of will. It is humans who created these dogs, for other humans, so to blame the dog is stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

as the temp of a (pet dog) yes a weak= (submissive ,fawning) animal would prob be ok ,as the owner would have seen it in the pup when they picked it. But lests be honest here , regards a working dog (police dog, gundog, lurcher etc ...) you not going to want a pup with the above temp are you, not saying you want a dog in your face that is aggressive, but a pup that is confident. To get the best out of any working you have to bond+ respect it. And i have never had that feeling( respect) for fawning type of dog, i just think it makes the job that (much) harder to train the pup .. When dogs or pups of weak temps fall in the wrong hands, these type of things can+will happen. You right regards bullies , even at 12 year old like this kid , they need to be taught respect weaker things than them selves. But the point i was trying to make regards the type of dog that had been kicked, (if) it had been a more of a out going type dog, and it stood its ground and showed no fear to the girl , the girl would have never kicked it.And prob she would have not want to take it for a walk as well human nature as it is the girl knew what type dog she was walking.

[Work them hard 339]

she did wrong, but some dogs that are like that week temps(born that way) do drive you up the wall, and its very easy to bully dogs with temps like that, she did wrong but dogs like that will test even the most layed back person, dogs weak like that are no good to any fecker .!!!!!!!

 

If a weak dog, or person, 'drives you up the wall' (in your own words) and makes you want to kick it, then it shows that bullies are even weaker. For someone to want to hit or kick a 'weak' dog, it shows that the person doing the kicking is actually even weaker than the 'weak dog'. Bullying weak things shows that the bully is scared of most things, including their own selves, and is in a very unhappy place indeed.

 

Someone once said that violence is the last resort of a frustrated mind: I agree in part, though not completely. I'm not making excuses for the girl, who was probably a horrible kid (wonder what she's like now), but I doubt very much if her upbringing did much to help her develop as a nice person.

 

As far as you saying that weak dogs are no use to anyone: don't forget that the vast majority of dogs bred nowadays are bred for the pet market. Most people don't want strong, assertive dogs. They want soft, submissive pets which would never dare turn on a violent owner. They want dogs which wouldn't dare say boo to a goose, ones which fall into line from puppyhood, dogs with no drive or strength of will. It is humans who created these dogs, for other humans, so to blame the dog is stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

as the temp of a (pet dog) yes a weak= (submissive ,fawning) animal would prob be ok ,as the owner would have seen it in the pup when they picked it. But lests be honest here , regards a working dog (police dog, gundog, lurcher etc ...) you not going to want a pup with the above temp are you, not saying you want a dog in your face that is aggressive, but a pup that is confident. To get the best out of any working you have to bond+ respect it. And i have never had that feeling( respect) for fawning type of dog, i just think it makes the job that (much) harder to train the pup .. When dogs or pups of weak temps fall in the wrong hands, these type of things can+will happen. You right regards bullies , even at 12 year old like this kid , they need to be taught respect weaker things than them selves. But the point i was trying to make regards the type of dog that had been kicked, (if) it had been a more of a out going type dog, and it stood its ground and showed no fear to the girl , the girl would have never kicked it.And prob she would have not want to take it for a walk as well human nature as it is the girl knew what type dog she was walking.

 

All dogs should get the same amount of respect from there owners regardless of tempermant. All it takes is a bit more time and effort, There is no excuse for her behaviour.

[socks 32,253]

she did wrong, but some dogs that are like that week temps(born that way) do drive you up the wall, and its very easy to bully dogs with temps like that, she did wrong but dogs like that will test even the most layed back person, dogs weak like that are no good to any fecker .!!!!!!!

 

If a weak dog, or person, 'drives you up the wall' (in your own words) and makes you want to kick it, then it shows that bullies are even weaker. For someone to want to hit or kick a 'weak' dog, it shows that the person doing the kicking is actually even weaker than the 'weak dog'. Bullying weak things shows that the bully is scared of most things, including their own selves, and is in a very unhappy place indeed.

 

Someone once said that violence is the last resort of a frustrated mind: I agree in part, though not completely. I'm not making excuses for the girl, who was probably a horrible kid (wonder what she's like now), but I doubt very much if her upbringing did much to help her develop as a nice person.

 

As far as you saying that weak dogs are no use to anyone: don't forget that the vast majority of dogs bred nowadays are bred for the pet market. Most people don't want strong, assertive dogs. They want soft, submissive pets which would never dare turn on a violent owner. They want dogs which wouldn't dare say boo to a goose, ones which fall into line from puppyhood, dogs with no drive or strength of will. It is humans who created these dogs, for other humans, so to blame the dog is stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

as the temp of a (pet dog) yes a weak= (submissive ,fawning) animal would prob be ok ,as the owner would have seen it in the pup when they picked it. But lests be honest here , regards a working dog (police dog, gundog, lurcher etc ...) you not going to want a pup with the above temp are you, not saying you want a dog in your face that is aggressive, but a pup that is confident. To get the best out of any working you have to bond+ respect it. And i have never had that feeling( respect) for fawning type of dog, i just think it makes the job that (much) harder to train the pup .. When dogs or pups of weak temps fall in the wrong hands, these type of things can+will happen. You right regards bullies , even at 12 year old like this kid , they need to be taught respect weaker things than them selves. But the point i was trying to make regards the type of dog that had been kicked, (if) it had been a more of a out going type dog, and it stood its ground and showed no fear to the girl , the girl would have never kicked it.And prob she would have not want to take it for a walk as well human nature as it is the girl knew what type dog she was walking.

 

Bird that is absolute nonsense all 3 of my dogs wouldn't dream of standing up to a human whether child or adult as they know their place in the pack and the order of whose in charge BUT when out working they all put 100 percent into their job no matter the quarry. A settled good mannered dog is not a weak pathetic animal but a balanced amenable animal that is easy to train and will respond well to training. I never pick an over confident pup from a litter and I never have any trouble training my dogs no matter what breed. And if that dog was a quiet good natured animal then that makes the fact of what she did far more vile ...... No matter how soft natured a dog is that should never be an excuse to look at it with the view that it is a pathetic creature that deserves what it gets ...............

[THLpatrick 555]

Fat little Cnt, i wish the dog had fecking bit her, that would of taught her absoutley disgusting, and tbh who filmed should of stopped it earlier, fair enough getting enough evidence but i couldn't just watchthat.

 

Probally a spoilt little bitch who plays all sweet an innocent and loves being power mad because no one else is scared of her, you little tubby twat,pissed me right off.

[Lab 10,979]

she must have learnt it from someone.

 

Not really. When my youngest lad was about 4-5 he used to say "blacks and whites don't mix". I asked him why? and he just laughed and said "because they don't". He didn't learn that from me and certainly not from his mother, nor any of my family. We've got mixed race people in our family who he would see on the occasion and friends of ours that would come over of different colours.

 

It was just that he noticed there was a difference from a young age and made his own mind up about it.

 

I'm not just saying it because he's my son, but he's probably the most well natured caring kid I've ever come across for his age. I wonder what they would of said about him in the Newspapers though?

 

Vile hate filled White supremacist aged 4!!!!

Has he been reading Scothunters posts.....................

["Earth!" 503]

she must have learnt it from someone.

 

Not really. When my youngest lad was about 4-5 he used to say "blacks and whites don't mix". I asked him why? and he just laughed and said "because they don't". He didn't learn that from me and certainly not from his mother, nor any of my family. We've got mixed race people in our family who he would see on the occasion and friends of ours that would come over of different colours.

 

It was just that he noticed there was a difference from a young age and made his own mind up about it.

 

I'm not just saying it because he's my son, but he's probably the most well natured caring kid I've ever come across for his age. I wonder what they would of said about him in the Newspapers though?

 

Vile hate filled White supremacist aged 4!!!!

 

Bet ya a tenner he learnt it from the ginger freak that calls you his brother

[gnasher16 29,754]

 

as the temp of a (pet dog) yes a weak= (submissive ,fawning) animal would prob be ok ,as the owner would have seen it in the pup when they picked it. But lests be honest here , regards a working dog (police dog, gundog, lurcher etc ...) you not going to want a pup with the above temp are you, not saying you want a dog in your face that is aggressive, but a pup that is confident. To get the best out of any working you have to bond+ respect it. And i have never had that feeling( respect) for fawning type of dog, i just think it makes the job that (much) harder to train the pup .. When dogs or pups of weak temps fall in the wrong hands, these type of things can+will happen. You right regards bullies , even at 12 year old like this kid , they need to be taught respect weaker things than them selves. But the point i was trying to make regards the type of dog that had been kicked, (if) it had been a more of a out going type dog, and it stood its ground and showed no fear to the girl , the girl would have never kicked it.And prob she would have not want to take it for a walk as well human nature as it is the girl knew what type dog she was walking.

 

 

Bird that is absolute nonsense all 3 of my dogs wouldn't dream of standing up to a human whether child or adult as they know their place in the pack and the order of whose in charge BUT when out working they all put 100 percent into their job no matter the quarry. A settled good mannered dog is not a weak pathetic animal but a balanced amenable animal that is easy to train and will respond well to training. I never pick an over confident pup from a litter and I never have any trouble training my dogs no matter what breed. And if that dog was a quiet good natured animal then that makes the fact of what she did far more vile ...... No matter how soft natured a dog is that should never be an excuse to look at it with the view that it is a pathetic creature that deserves what it gets ...............

 

I get what Bird is saying and part of me agrees.....its a bit off the subject of the topic ( the girl ) but as regards a weak minded dog i think he is right......its completely bonkers to think every single dog born is trainable and will make a good dog in the right hands,thats one of those romantic things professional dog trainers like to say that is so unrealistic its almost absurd !....Anything born of nature has the ability to be good or bad its up to us as breeders or trainers to stack the odds in favour of being good thats all....but it wont always work......ive given up on dogs before simply because ive seen early on in their development that they just didnt have the learning capacity or mental strength to cope with the stress i needed a dog to be able to cope with....to continue with a weak minded dog with the attitude of " i can get him right " is just pointless and naive.......i dont believe all working dogs must be outgoing and confident......but i couldnt respect ANY dog that is willing to take a beating off a human that just shows a poorly developed animal without pride enough in itself to put its foot down when need be i would never trust a dog like that in a working situation.....just like anything else born of nature you get born leaders and you get born victims......a born victim i dont think can make a good working animal.

[socks 32,253]

It's got nothing to do with being born a victim it's gt to do with being conditioned a certain way and my dogs have plenty of minerals for their jobs believe me BUT they wouldn't turn on a human because they have been conditioned not to NOW that's not to say if they were on the end of a lead and couldn't get away they wouldn't put a bite in to stop themselves being pained. A dog conditioned to know its place in the pack is the same as a pro boxer if they were up against the ropes and taking a beating they wouldn't come out kicking and headbutting because they have been conditioned not to do that. A wel socialised and conditioned dog is just the same it would get out of the way rather than bite unless of course the dog is trained to bite ........

[gnasher16 29,754]

I dont think the conditioned dog and pro boxer is a comparison you can really make as your talking about a sporting quality as compared to a natural trait.......what im saying is any dog that allows itself to be totally overwhelmed to the point of complete domination including recieving pain and suffering for me is a dog i would want no part of...........laying down on your back totally submissive to whatever is coming is not something i would want to see in a potential working dog.........it doesnt mean the dog couldnt or wouldnt do its job in great style when the need arose it just means that particular dog can be mentally broken and that would be forever in the back of my mind knowing that these things often come back to bite you in the arse when you least expect it.

" Place in the pack " i think is another of those romantic " professional dog trainer " sayings that i personally think is a load of ol fanny todays domestic dogs are about as far removed from " pack animals " as could possibly be.............i believe " training " and " conditioned respeonse " is 2 totally different things anyway....but thats another subject.

[skycat 6,173]

I think what Socks is saying, is that dogs are social creatures. It is in a dog's best interest to behave itself in the society in which it finds itself, whether that be a human or canine pack. A dog that 'knows its place' in the pack isn't necessarily a victim at all. Some of my best fox killing dogs have had apparently low status within the pack: moving off a bed when a higher ranking dog wanted to lie there, things like that. Put those same dogs, those with apparently no 'backbone' into working situations and they know exactly what to do with the quarry in front of them. Just because a dog is loud mouthed or bossy, or answers back or flies in at other dogs, doesn't mean that it will have the necessary minerals in the field at all. I've seen it time and again: where the bullies turn tail and run when the quarry bites back.

 

Now a dog with no confidence, weak minded as you put it, is a different thing altogether, and yes, those sort of dogs need careful and sensitive handling if they are to be any use in the field at all, and they probably won't make the grade on quarry which defends itself, or game which needs a lot of heart and will power to catch.

 

However, there is also a 'golden' age where even unconfident dogs can be made something of, not necessarily biting quarry, but given real success at the optimum age: usually around 12 - 15 months, they can be given enough confidence to go on and make something of themselves. That success is usually down to correct handling and exposure to the game.

 

And I do think that domestic dogs are still pack animals: like I said, social creatures. We are pack animals, just the same as horses and dogs. We all abide by the laws of our societies, herds or packs. It's in our genetic blueprint.

 

So are you saying that fox hounds aren't pack animals either? Or beagles? In which case, what is a pack animal? A lurcher can be as much of a pack animal as a fox hound, given the right upbringing. Packs are made up of different animals whose different qualities make up the strength of the pack. I see out and out nose dogs within my bunch, dogs which goal keep, those which are mainly catch dogs. All of these dogs can individually work in different ways, but when they're out mooching as a bunch, you can see how they sort themselves out according to their talents and preferences. So the dog which goes out in a field of set aside and hunts up with its nose, is in turn, flanked by another which stays closer to the hedge to intercept game which gets up: if that ain't a pack working I don't know what is.

[fatdog 9]

the dog nicked the fat shits chocolate horrible f*****g kid

[littlefish 549]

as the temp of a (pet dog) yes a weak= (submissive ,fawning) animal would prob be ok ,as the owner would have seen it in the pup when they picked it. But lests be honest here , regards a working dog (police dog, gundog, lurcher etc ...) you not going to want a pup with the above temp are you, not saying you want a dog in your face that is aggressive, but a pup that is confident. To get the best out of any working you have to bond+ respect it. And i have never had that feeling( respect) for fawning type of dog, i just think it makes the job that (much) harder to train the pup .. When dogs or pups of weak temps fall in the wrong hands, these type of things can+will happen. You right regards bullies , even at 12 year old like this kid , they need to be taught respect weaker things than them selves. But the point i was trying to make regards the type of dog that had been kicked, (if) it had been a more of a out going type dog, and it stood its ground and showed no fear to the girl , the girl would have never kicked it.And prob she would have not want to take it for a walk as well human nature as it is the girl knew what type dog she was walking.

 

 

Bird that is absolute nonsense all 3 of my dogs wouldn't dream of standing up to a human whether child or adult as they know their place in the pack and the order of whose in charge BUT when out working they all put 100 percent into their job no matter the quarry. A settled good mannered dog is not a weak pathetic animal but a balanced amenable animal that is easy to train and will respond well to training. I never pick an over confident pup from a litter and I never have any trouble training my dogs no matter what breed. And if that dog was a quiet good natured animal then that makes the fact of what she did far more vile ...... No matter how soft natured a dog is that should never be an excuse to look at it with the view that it is a pathetic creature that deserves what it gets ...............

 

I get what Bird is saying and part of me agrees.....its a bit off the subject of the topic ( the girl ) but as regards a weak minded dog i think he is right......its completely bonkers to think every single dog born is trainable and will make a good dog in the right hands,thats one of those romantic things professional dog trainers like to say that is so unrealistic its almost absurd !....Anything born of nature has the ability to be good or bad its up to us as breeders or trainers to stack the odds in favour of being good thats all....but it wont always work......ive given up on dogs before simply because ive seen early on in their development that they just didnt have the learning capacity or mental strength to cope with the stress i needed a dog to be able to cope with....to continue with a weak minded dog with the attitude of " i can get him right " is just pointless and naive.......i dont believe all working dogs must be outgoing and confident......but i couldnt respect ANY dog that is willing to take a beating off a human that just shows a poorly developed animal without pride enough in itself to put its foot down when need be i would never trust a dog like that in a working situation.....just like anything else born of nature you get born leaders and you get born victims......a born victim i dont think can make a good working animal.

 

What do you reckon should happen to dogs that turn on children and would you like to live with them?

[gnasher16 29,754]

I think what Socks is saying, is that dogs are social creatures. It is in a dog's best interest to behave itself in the society in which it finds itself, whether that be a human or canine pack. A dog that 'knows its place' in the pack isn't necessarily a victim at all. Some of my best fox killing dogs have had apparently low status within the pack: moving off a bed when a higher ranking dog wanted to lie there, things like that. Put those same dogs, those with apparently no 'backbone' into working situations and they know exactly what to do with the quarry in front of them. Just because a dog is loud mouthed or bossy, or answers back or flies in at other dogs, doesn't mean that it will have the necessary minerals in the field at all. I've seen it time and again: where the bullies turn tail and run when the quarry bites back.

 

Now a dog with no confidence, weak minded as you put it, is a different thing altogether, and yes, those sort of dogs need careful and sensitive handling if they are to be any use in the field at all, and they probably won't make the grade on quarry which defends itself, or game which needs a lot of heart and will power to catch.

 

However, there is also a 'golden' age where even unconfident dogs can be made something of, not necessarily biting quarry, but given real success at the optimum age: usually around 12 - 15 months, they can be given enough confidence to go on and make something of themselves. That success is usually down to correct handling and exposure to the game.

 

And I do think that domestic dogs are still pack animals: like I said, social creatures. We are pack animals, just the same as horses and dogs. We all abide by the laws of our societies, herds or packs. It's in our genetic blueprint.

 

So are you saying that fox hounds aren't pack animals either? Or beagles? In which case, what is a pack animal? A lurcher can be as much of a pack animal as a fox hound, given the right upbringing. Packs are made up of different animals whose different qualities make up the strength of the pack. I see out and out nose dogs within my bunch, dogs which goal keep, those which are mainly catch dogs. All of these dogs can individually work in different ways, but when they're out mooching as a bunch, you can see how they sort themselves out according to their talents and preferences. So the dog which goes out in a field of set aside and hunts up with its nose, is in turn, flanked by another which stays closer to the hedge to intercept game which gets up: if that ain't a pack working I don't know what is.

 

No i dont think your average domesticated dog is a pack animal no..............fox hounds/beagles etc have over many years retained a lot of that natural inherent pack mentality for obvious reasons.......most other breeds have not......breed foxhounds or beagles over many many generations to sit on the sofa and never get out to work and you will gradually lose that mentality ( which as we know most dog breeds have )..................look at some of these pathetic little balls of fluff that can barely stand up,they are about as much a pack animal as i am......only for the fact they have 4 legs and a tail can you really even describe them as dogs yet genetically they are every bit as pure dog as your working foxhound.......working dog breeds cease to become working dog breeds the longer they are not worked thats just life.

I agree about the " golden age " thing..........ive found bringing round a young dog who has had a bad start to life a very interesting and rewarding part of owning dogs and many times have had a great bond with this type of dog that has gone on to be a great sporting/working animal......im a firm believer in the saying you cannot put in what nature left out and for that reason i believe a decision must be made on any working dog when it comes of age as to persist with a dog that just doesnt have it is a mistake....the biggest mistake any conditioner can make is to condition the wrong dog.

A loud aggressive for no reason dog.....just the same as a shy timid fearful dog .....is a dog i would avoid as a prospective worker......both extremes tend to have poor concentration levels,can be easily put back,and are basically much harder to work and bond with..............ive seen dogs that have very little confidence around people,poorly socialised even fearful....that in a working situation there guts and character could not be questioned......what ive not seen is a totally submissive dog who could be totally dominated and humiliated by a human ever be a worker you could have faith in......fearful yes,willing to lay down and die no.