Wheatens and Wheaten Crosses

[chrisbullx 2,541]

I've got fly I've had 4 about 6 months now she's a cracking bitch mate chris give her 2 me didn't have enuff work 4 her only enuff 4 heather and mac!! Atb cbx

yehh mate he told me he had given her to [bANNED TEXT] so she could get some work lol i was gonna have her but didnt ave the space at the time how is she?

She's doing great mate over the f*****g moon with her she's a quality bitch in every department mate she is what u call an alrounder I thought it would b hard 2 replace my old 5/8 3/8 bullgrey bitch had 2 retire her dew 2 leg injury but fly filled in 4 me straight away!! Atb cbx

[chrisbullx 2,541]

So that is one dog,im not doubting there is any chrisbullx,im saying is there is so few. So does chris hickling have ALL the breeding for the wheaten used or like my previous post says is this the equivilent to just saying red nose,reid or mayfield blood,just speculation? im just asking? Im not saying there isnt any 1st x dogs about but there is so very few! You didnt explain how the breeding of the "JACK" dog came about squire?

Jack wheatonbullgreyhound mate don't know what percentage mate but was as good as any dog mate at his job and all of his offspring work!!! As long as graft mate proper graft it don't matter what lines r what as long as breed from grafter 2 grafter your halfway there in my eyes,I like and own wheaton xs and bull xs and all my dogs do what I want them 2 do week in week out and I work them hard so f**k what lines as long as they work!!atb cbx

Thanks for your reply and opinion Bolio. Now chrisbullx let the record be put straight,JACK had absolutely NO breeding to him whatsoever,that ped was put on the dog after a man gave an opinion as to what x he thought the dog was. im merely backs up my point,how does ANYONE know how much or little wheaten is /was in the dog if any? This isnt a war on hickling just a good example of breeding wheaten x's but they do not know any history of the dog,my whole post from the start isnt judgeing wheatens or their ability but to ask the question how have so many dogs appeared on the lurcher scene when there is so few GENUINE wheaten greyhounds about,im not doubting JACKS ability or progeny but it proves the point that they have the title wheaten,bull greyhound but know one knows what they are out of if a wheaten at all. Im sure some of you dont fully understand what im saying,im trying my best to make it sound simple. JACK as an example,pedigree unknown,so how on eathh does anyone know what they have bred off him? Not cribbing the dog just making my point and asking my orignal question: WHERE ARE THESE GENUINE 1ST X that have produced these dogs as they seem to be in abundance?

I never said jack was from any lines!! I said heather was spring view lines,does matter what lines jack was from he was a quality dog of highest standard plan and simple he was a grafter!!! Atb cbx

[young fella 0]

I've got fly I've had 4 about 6 months now she's a cracking bitch mate chris give her 2 me didn't have enuff work 4 her only enuff 4 heather and mac!! Atb cbx

yehh mate he told me he had given her to [bANNED TEXT] so she could get some work lol i was gonna have her but didnt ave the space at the time how is she?

She's doing great mate over the f*****g moon with her she's a quality bitch in every department mate she is what u call an alrounder I thought it would b hard 2 replace my old 5/8 3/8 bullgrey bitch had 2 retire her dew 2 leg injury but fly filled in 4 me straight away!! Atb cbx

gdgd mate am glad she is doin well for yah she a very big bitch imo n she looks the part lol my young bitch ive got out ov heather isnt a world beater but goes at everything i put in front ov her

[Cleanspade 3,322]

ozzy. first cross bul whippet. i know where your comeing from. there are dogs still being touted as brightmore breeding. in reality these dogs would be so diluted as to not warrant the name. look at all the merles that apeared after the book by plummer.

 

bolio i would rather have the blood of a failed working wheaten. than a KC wheaten or crossbred wheaten. i'm of the opinion that good blood is good blood. i know its not the way its done. but if its the only blood available then its as good as it gets.

 

OZZY

 

SIRE REBEL

 

 

DAM WORKING WHIPPET

 

The wheaten blood was from the dog rebel i was told he was one of an imported pair. dog and bitch unrelated working lines. now i only have the folks word for this and a couple of pics. so if i bred from this dog i can only pass on what i was told

 

good thread and some food for thought alcapone.

 

another thought is that if there are so few genuine first crosses then they must be getting bred to death to put so many litters out their?

[chrisbullx 2,541]

I've got fly I've had 4 about 6 months now she's a cracking bitch mate chris give her 2 me didn't have enuff work 4 her only enuff 4 heather and mac!! Atb cbx

yehh mate he told me he had given her to [bANNED TEXT] so she could get some work lol i was gonna have her but didnt ave the space at the time how is she?

She's doing great mate over the f*****g moon with her she's a quality bitch in every department mate she is what u call an alrounder I thought it would b hard 2 replace my old 5/8 3/8 bullgrey bitch had 2 retire her dew 2 leg injury but fly filled in 4 me straight away!! Atb cbx

gdgd mate am glad she is doin well for yah she a very big bitch imo n she looks the part lol my young bitch ive got out ov heather isnt a world beater but goes at everything i put in front ov her

She's 26tts mate she does her job mate!!nearly everything out heather seems 2 make grade mate hope u have many good years out of your young bitch mate atb cbx

[BOLIO1 1,078]

bolio i would rather have the blood of a failed working wheaten. than a KC wheaten or crossbred wheaten.

 

First of all Cleanspade, my post was not intended to be an attack on anyone elses dogs.

 

Most working wheatens ARE crossbred, having been infused over the years with various successful bull types.

 

A failed worker used to creat lurchers may well produce decent foxing lurchers although over here we are lucky enough to be able to go straight to proper dogs that we know have proved themselves.

 

But....if I was trying to breed top class working wheatens, or any other type of dog I sure wouldn't use a rank cur as my starting point!

[BOLIO1 1,078]

 

This is another first cross that the same pal brought from England a couple of years ago. I think the wheaten sire was bred by Chris H. or bred off dogs he bred.

[chrisbullx 2,541]

 

This is another first cross that the same pal brought from England a couple of years ago. I think the wheaten sire was bred by Chris H. or bred off dogs he bred.

Nice dog him mate!! CH had pure working wheatons aswell and he has bred some quality wheaton xs 2 they a credit 2 him!! Atb cbx

[spindolero 1,109]

alcapone, I understood what you were gettin at from the very beginning. I feel the same way over here when somebody uses the term staghound. They toss it around like its supposed to impress but in reality there aint no such thing. You can go around this country and see folks that are running coyotes with all different kindsa dogs but them dogs just automatically get coined with that word, "staghound". What does it even mean? Some of these dogs will be greyhounds, some hound crosses, some collie crosses, some deerhound type things, wolfhounds, bulldog, and bird dog.......you name it. Its all bullshit when in fact most of them dont deserve any type of credit and or name applied to them except cull cuz thats what the vast majority of them will be if you really wanna know the truth.

Thankyou Dan..........im banging my head off the wall here,at last im understood,same example just put different.

I used JACK as an example not a target lads.

 

an example you called mediocre though ?

[Guest alcapone]

alcapone, I understood what you were gettin at from the very beginning. I feel the same way over here when somebody uses the term staghound. They toss it around like its supposed to impress but in reality there aint no such thing. You can go around this country and see folks that are running coyotes with all different kindsa dogs but them dogs just automatically get coined with that word, "staghound". What does it even mean? Some of these dogs will be greyhounds, some hound crosses, some collie crosses, some deerhound type things, wolfhounds, bulldog, and bird dog.......you name it. Its all bullshit when in fact most of them dont deserve any type of credit and or name applied to them except cull cuz thats what the vast majority of them will be if you really wanna know the truth.

Thankyou Dan..........im banging my head off the wall here,at last im understood,same example just put different.

I used JACK as an example not a target lads.

 

an example you called mediocre though ?

The dog didnt impress,standards vary as do opinions!

[spindolero 1,109]

alcapone, I understood what you were gettin at from the very beginning. I feel the same way over here when somebody uses the term staghound. They toss it around like its supposed to impress but in reality there aint no such thing. You can go around this country and see folks that are running coyotes with all different kindsa dogs but them dogs just automatically get coined with that word, "staghound". What does it even mean? Some of these dogs will be greyhounds, some hound crosses, some collie crosses, some deerhound type things, wolfhounds, bulldog, and bird dog.......you name it. Its all bullshit when in fact most of them dont deserve any type of credit and or name applied to them except cull cuz thats what the vast majority of them will be if you really wanna know the truth.

Thankyou Dan..........im banging my head off the wall here,at last im understood,same example just put different.

I used JACK as an example not a target lads.

 

an example you called mediocre though ?

The dog didnt impress,standards vary as do opinions!

 

fair enough, hope your own stuff meets your standards for seasons to come.

first time i've heard dog knocked though.

[Guest alcapone]

alcapone, I understood what you were gettin at from the very beginning. I feel the same way over here when somebody uses the term staghound. They toss it around like its supposed to impress but in reality there aint no such thing. You can go around this country and see folks that are running coyotes with all different kindsa dogs but them dogs just automatically get coined with that word, "staghound". What does it even mean? Some of these dogs will be greyhounds, some hound crosses, some collie crosses, some deerhound type things, wolfhounds, bulldog, and bird dog.......you name it. Its all bullshit when in fact most of them dont deserve any type of credit and or name applied to them except cull cuz thats what the vast majority of them will be if you really wanna know the truth.

Thankyou Dan..........im banging my head off the wall here,at last im understood,same example just put different.

I used JACK as an example not a target lads.

 

an example you called mediocre though ?

The dog didnt impress,standards vary as do opinions!

 

fair enough, hope your own stuff meets your standards for seasons to come.

first time i've heard dog knocked though.

Just to add yes i have seen the dog work and was NOT impressed and that bull grey x collie grey BLAZE,both would not suite me by a long way,but like i say opinions and standards vary!

[spindolero 1,109]

alcapone, I understood what you were gettin at from the very beginning. I feel the same way over here when somebody uses the term staghound. They toss it around like its supposed to impress but in reality there aint no such thing. You can go around this country and see folks that are running coyotes with all different kindsa dogs but them dogs just automatically get coined with that word, "staghound". What does it even mean? Some of these dogs will be greyhounds, some hound crosses, some collie crosses, some deerhound type things, wolfhounds, bulldog, and bird dog.......you name it. Its all bullshit when in fact most of them dont deserve any type of credit and or name applied to them except cull cuz thats what the vast majority of them will be if you really wanna know the truth.

Thankyou Dan..........im banging my head off the wall here,at last im understood,same example just put different.

I used JACK as an example not a target lads.

 

an example you called mediocre though ?

The dog didnt impress,standards vary as do opinions!

 

fair enough, hope your own stuff meets your standards for seasons to come.

first time i've heard dog knocked though.

Just to add yes i have seen the dog work and was NOT impressed and that bull grey x collie grey BLAZE,both would not suite me by a long way,but like i say opinions and standards vary!

both names in a bitch of mine pedigree....time will tell i suppose

any wheaten x impressed you ever?

[furgle 14]

 

This is another first cross that the same pal brought from England a couple of years ago. I think the wheaten sire was bred by Chris H. or bred off dogs he bred.

 

 

Looks like a good STRONG dog mate

 

 

[Cleanspade 3,322]

bolio i would rather have the blood of a failed working wheaten. than a KC wheaten or crossbred wheaten.

 

First of all Cleanspade, my post was not intended to be an attack on anyone elses dogs.

 

Most working wheatens ARE crossbred, having been infused over the years with various successful bull types.

 

A failed worker used to creat lurchers may well produce decent foxing lurchers although over here we are lucky enough to be able to go straight to proper dogs that we know have proved themselves.

 

But....if I was trying to breed top class working wheatens, or any other type of dog I sure wouldn't use a rank cur as my starting point!

 

wasnt taken as an attack. bolio and i understand what your saying.