Border vs Beardie vs Kelpie vs ACD etc

[Ideation 8,217]

We all know why herding dogs are used in lurcher breeding, adding mainly intelligence and trainability, but also stamina, good feet and coat etc But i was thinking, how do different types of 'collie/herding dog cross' compare, what differing attributes do they have etc and what are peoples experiences and preferences?

[wild rover 548]

We all know why herding dogs are used in lurcher breeding, adding mainly intelligence and trainability, but also stamina, good feet and coat etc But i was thinking, how do different types of 'collie/herding dog cross' compare, what differing attributes do they have etc and what are peoples experiences and preferences?

 

 

Have seen and worked with most of the crosses except Kelpie over the last 30 year, all different, attitude, temprement, drive and mentality, some breeds softer than others, many good workers in all crosses, some that dont make the grade, it all depends on how and where you work them, how they are entered, my preference is what I keep, one mans meat is another mans poison.Good question, all the best WR.

[KittleRox 2,147]

beardies are a bit more headstrong than borders,jmo,couldn,t comment on the other types,

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Back to the topic.......I've owned a few collie x's over the years with the one I own now being the most versatile she's beardie/border,I've also owned a border x's and even had a bob-tailed collie x.The latter was a bit more hard work than the others though I think this was down to the dog used rather than the specific breed.A guy I know once had a ACD x grey which was one hell of a dog though I think all the collie types are very biddable dogs and in the right hands can become very good rabbiting machines and some also excel at other work

[morton 5,369]

There are a lot more genuine working Borders about,using one of these genuine dogs in a lurchers breeding produces a dog with a better than average probability of making the grade.If any Collie is to be used go for a worker,at the last Working collie auction,Skipton cattle market,a Border from a working background made £3,500+.Most of the dogs that day fetched over£1500.It isnt difficult to procure a line,farmers like pound notes,even when a lurcher,s involved.

[thorny 100]

This could be a great post and one I would like to learn from, I have a 15 week old 5/8 greyhound 3/8 collie. My boys sire is 1/4 greyhound,1/4 border and half beardie, so I would love to hear peoples findings , not the usual bull x are the mutts nuts stuff. It is about hearding dog crosses dont think to many farmers are rounding up sheep with bullys

[bird 10,014]

never had 1/4 ACD x3/4 GREY, but i reckon it would make a real good lurcher, with plenty of speed from the grey and good feet, brain,tough, from ACD. Anybody ever had this x above, as ive read that alot of the 1xs are good rabbit dogs but a bit slow on other stuff.?

[johnny boy68 11,726]

never had 1/4 ACD x3/4 GREY, but i reckon it would make a real good lurcher, with plenty of speed from the grey and good feet, brain,tough, from ACD. Anybody ever had this x above, as ive read that alot of the 1xs are good rabbit dogs but a bit slow on other stuff.?

Yes bird the one I mentioned in my other post was 3/4 grey 1/4 ACD he was fast,agile and as strong as a ox.Seen it take all quarry he sadly died doing what he loved,I'll try and see if he's got any pics of him he bought the dog out of exchange & mart for about £30,one of those once in a lifetime dogs

[heart of wales 19]

We own and work both Beardie and Border collies

The border has a lot more set in it slightly faster tends to use there eyes rather than nose

The beardie is fearless will work cattle rams you name he will move it,will also hunt on sent handy if you have lost a sheep in dense woodland,

 

One type of dog is more suited for wide open fields Border,while the other is better around the pens and woodland Beardie.

[fielder 18]

never had 1/4 ACD x3/4 GREY, but i reckon it would make a real good lurcher, with plenty of speed from the grey and good feet, brain,tough, from ACD. Anybody ever had this x above, as ive read that alot of the 1xs are good rabbit dogs but a bit slow on other stuff.?

Yes bird the one I mentioned in my other post was 3/4 grey 1/4 ACD he was fast,agile and as strong as a ox.Seen it take all quarry he sadly died doing what he loved,I'll try and see if he's got any pics of him he bought the dog out of exchange & mart for about £30,one of those once in a lifetime dogs

I have often thought that taking the ACD cross further by adding Greyhound or Whippet would make a versatile cross even more versatile.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

I would think it would be forward.

[wild rover 548]

I have a ACD X Grey/WHIP, she is only 21 inch at the most, very stocky, no flying machine but great hunter, handy moocher and ferreter, never lamped due to my retirement from lamping, what happend to the line you started Chalkwarren, did you move away from the ACD and if you dont mind me asking why.

[Neal 1,916]

Before I write this post I'd like to add that this is a huge over simplification but...in my experience of collies and collie crosses and kelpies and kelpie crosses: the former do what they're told whereas the latter do what they think is right.

 

As someone quite rightly said, it's largely down to the personality of the dog in question and the owner. If I had to put money on it I'd probably say that the border (or border type) collie is the most versatile breed but, and like Annabell Weir it's a big butt, I'd still prefer to stick with my kelpies.

 

As I've said many times on here before; I don't think they're better, just better for me.

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

Anyone ever try this type