Guest jt750 Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Talking to half you f*ckers is like p*ssing in the wind and staying dry .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stewie Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Stewie, I agree with you and I made that distinction. A good breeder does not really need to advertise as his/her work does that for them. They usually have a waiting list and they vet their potential customers. BDS and other dog homes are buckling under the strain. I agree with them needing to PTS, but I also agree with you that that dog Brandy was not handled properly. Most dogs will strain at the lead when meeting others on a lead. The lead is restrictive and the dog feels at a disadvantage, hence the urge for self preservation. What should have been done is see if the dog was acceptable to correction. But it doesn't take away the fact that too many dogs are being brought in for the home to cope with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tdavepat 8 Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 (edited) Talking to half you f*ckers is like p*ssing in the wind and staying dry .... Why? Do you puposely piss into the wind just to declare that you're wet and stink? Edited August 3, 2010 by tdavepat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hannah4181 260 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 It was a nice dog that got put to sleep . . . BUT with that many staffords and X's being taken in what are they meant to do with them?!?! The dog was dog aggressive, anyone that knows the breed could tell from its body language exactly what would happen if it had been off lead. No organisation in their right mind would put a dog like that back into society. Not the dogs fault, but none the less there is worse things that could happen to it than being PTS. Get angry at the breeders and shit owners, not the organisations left to mop up the mess. i know what you saying hannah but he was no worse than what my terrier would of been in the same situation. the dog had no idea who he was with or where he was and then put infront of a strange dog it was only acting on instinct if it was truly dog aggressive it would of been ten times worse than that and know way would they of got so close before it growled as thats all it did I agree with you, BUT the problem is now too great to get into the correct handling/training of the dogs being taken in. None of us can judge from that clip wether or not the dog in question was truely a danger to other dogs. But the societies dealing with them don't have the time or funding to attempt to tackle an individuals behaviour. The other thing you need to look at, is what type of person would rehome a dog like that??? Maybe i'm casting judgements but i would bet money on that dog coming from owners who gave it little or no socilisation as a pup, and if anything encouraged its aggressive traits so it look "proper ard" on the end of a lead. The issue of people keeping bull type dogs as a status symbol is a very very real one, and its scary the amount of bad stock being bred and crossed with god knows what to produce the band of unstable types being paraded around many streets as we speak. I for one wouldn't want dogs like that running loose near any of mine whilst out walking, not because its a bull, but because the arse hole owning it hasn't an ounce of control or care for the how the dog is behaving. :wallbash: I know plenty of people that keep bulls, and their training and handling of them is second to none, some are dog aggressive, some aren't . . . but NONE of them are EVER allowed to get into a situation where their temperment can be questioned. These guys respect their dogs and the breed as a whole, they get the best from them in all ways and understand their capabilities in the wrong hands. My terrier is dog aggressive, therefore he's never taken off the farm to mix with other dogs, the very rare times that he is, he's on a lead and kept well away from other dogs. Why, because i'm a responsible owner and if anything am embarrassed by his behaviour not proud of it!! But hey the chocolate dog was PTS, never mind just google "chocolate/red nose bulls" and you can rest assured there will be a steam of litters to choose from. The problem is HUGE and getting worse by the day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
judge2010 196 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 theres a kennals in south yorkshire that put 99% of lurchers down because they cant find homs for them i read somewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamiew 11 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 It was a nice dog that got put to sleep . . . BUT with that many staffords and X's being taken in what are they meant to do with them?!?! The dog was dog aggressive, anyone that knows the breed could tell from its body language exactly what would happen if it had been off lead. No organisation in their right mind would put a dog like that back into society. Not the dogs fault, but none the less there is worse things that could happen to it than being PTS. Get angry at the breeders and shit owners, not the organisations left to mop up the mess. i know what you saying hannah but he was no worse than what my terrier would of been in the same situation. the dog had no idea who he was with or where he was and then put infront of a strange dog it was only acting on instinct if it was truly dog aggressive it would of been ten times worse than that and know way would they of got so close before it growled as thats all it did I agree with you, BUT the problem is now too great to get into the correct handling/training of the dogs being taken in. None of us can judge from that clip wether or not the dog in question was truely a danger to other dogs. But the societies dealing with them don't have the time or funding to attempt to tackle an individuals behaviour. The other thing you need to look at, is what type of person would rehome a dog like that??? Maybe i'm casting judgements but i would bet money on that dog coming from owners who gave it little or no socilisation as a pup, and if anything encouraged its aggressive traits so it look "proper ard" on the end of a lead. The issue of people keeping bull type dogs as a status symbol is a very very real one, and its scary the amount of bad stock being bred and crossed with god knows what to produce the band of unstable types being paraded around many streets as we speak. I for one wouldn't want dogs like that running loose near any of mine whilst out walking, not because its a bull, but because the arse hole owning it hasn't an ounce of control or care for the how the dog is behaving. :wallbash: I know plenty of people that keep bulls, and their training and handling of them is second to none, some are dog aggressive, some aren't . . . but NONE of them are EVER allowed to get into a situation where their temperment can be questioned. These guys respect their dogs and the breed as a whole, they get the best from them in all ways and understand their capabilities in the wrong hands. My terrier is dog aggressive, therefore he's never taken off the farm to mix with other dogs, the very rare times that he is, he's on a lead and kept well away from other dogs. Why, because i'm a responsible owner and if anything am embarrassed by his behaviour not proud of it!! But hey the chocolate dog was PTS, never mind just google "chocolate/red nose bulls" and you can rest assured there will be a steam of litters to choose from. The problem is HUGE and getting worse by the day. one of a small few thats talking sense,jamiew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 10,014 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 It was a nice dog that got put to sleep . . . BUT with that many staffords and X's being taken in what are they meant to do with them?!?! The dog was dog aggressive, anyone that knows the breed could tell from its body language exactly what would happen if it had been off lead. No organisation in their right mind would put a dog like that back into society. Not the dogs fault, but none the less there is worse things that could happen to it than being PTS. Get angry at the breeders and shit owners, not the organisations left to mop up the mess. i know what you saying hannah but he was no worse than what my terrier would of been in the same situation. the dog had no idea who he was with or where he was and then put infront of a strange dog it was only acting on instinct if it was truly dog aggressive it would of been ten times worse than that and know way would they of got so close before it growled as thats all it did I agree with you, BUT the problem is now too great to get into the correct handling/training of the dogs being taken in. None of us can judge from that clip wether or not the dog in question was truely a danger to other dogs. But the societies dealing with them don't have the time or funding to attempt to tackle an individuals behaviour. The other thing you need to look at, is what type of person would rehome a dog like that??? Maybe i'm casting judgements but i would bet money on that dog coming from owners who gave it little or no socilisation as a pup, and if anything encouraged its aggressive traits so it look "proper ard" on the end of a lead. The issue of people keeping bull type dogs as a status symbol is a very very real one, and its scary the amount of bad stock being bred and crossed with god knows what to produce the band of unstable types being paraded around many streets as we speak. I for one wouldn't want dogs like that running loose near any of mine whilst out walking, not because its a bull, but because the arse hole owning it hasn't an ounce of control or care for the how the dog is behaving. :wallbash: I know plenty of people that keep bulls, and their training and handling of them is second to none, some are dog aggressive, some aren't . . . but NONE of them are EVER allowed to get into a situation where their temperment can be questioned. These guys respect their dogs and the breed as a whole, they get the best from them in all ways and understand their capabilities in the wrong hands. My terrier is dog aggressive, therefore he's never taken off the farm to mix with other dogs, the very rare times that he is, he's on a lead and kept well away from other dogs. Why, because i'm a responsible owner and if anything am embarrassed by his behaviour not proud of it!! But hey the chocolate dog was PTS, never mind just google "chocolate/red nose bulls" and you can rest assured there will be a steam of litters to choose from. The problem is HUGE and getting worse by the day. one of a small few thats talking sense,jamiew its always going to be like this, with breeds like staffs +rotties. They appeal to macho men, who dont have brains to look after a feckin hamster , never mind a dog. Bull breeds in the right hands you wont have any prob's. but thats just it they dont go to the right people, its just about money.? If the breeders were more (selective) where there pups went, than the money . It might help things hell of alot.? The prob wont go away, and loads of healthy dogs will be killed, till they get to the (core) of the prob the breeders.?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOPPER 1,809 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 there a bit of sense being posted on here but the fact remains its a modern day thing if it doesn t fit in bin it , its the throw away age its sad to see some tidy healthy dogs being PTS mainly because the a certain breed theres dog pounds around here that PTS any working dog or showing signs of work straight away then they moan about busting at the seems but if you want a dog from the home/pound you go through loads of checks etc then get turned down its easier to adopt a child than get a dog around here, recent case -- women wants to take on a jack russell cross from local shelter she lives in the country side in a nice 4 bed house with 2 acres of garden /paddock one thid of her garden in fenced in and secure she has no children at home and she doesnt work so has plenty of time and she not short of a bob or two and would love the dog to bit s but she got turned down then she appealed the decisison because she wanted to help out a poor dog in the end she brought 2 jrts out of the free ads from a couple who were emigrating Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richie10 345 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Problem started when dogs turned from working animals to pets. It you listened to the guy lastnight the increase they measured was from the 's until today, not exactly a fair statistic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lee85 44 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 i missed this but I'll watch it on the replay thing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 I applaud the people who take in mistreated dogs i admire the well meaning people that turn up and give there time to walk and take care of animals in distress , the very reason the rspca and BDH were founded , we have close to me a animal sanctuary that on the face of it is a well meaning good cause, until you look under the cover its is run by a man that served time for arson for burning down a animal testing lab , a founder member of lacs hi am sure you will read this , the police raided the place having been tipped off , my point is these people are collecting money and funding jobs on the basis of animal rescue and protection , while using a charitable status, then funding anti activities , at the highest level the rspca, harrasing hunt/ terrier/ lurcher/ owners , WHO IS GATHERING THE INFORMATION FOR RAIDS ETC , WHO IS MONITORING SITES LIKE THIS , look no further than the sudden increase in private animal rescue centers, we can debate the staffy issue and the increase in the breeds current popularity and demise , why is this breed being targeted , most reported cases of dog bite breed = lab and labx don't sell papers , my hart goes out to the people who have been affected by dog attacks , we are i hope in the main responsible dog owners , are main problem is the pr machine of the lacs grouping us with the minority , maybe its time to start a working breed dog rescue center funded by Quote Link to post Share on other sites
collie/grey 238 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Just watched this and must admit it made my eyes water, i went to battersea dogs home last year for a job interveiw and it is a hard fact of life that a hell of alot of dogs get put to sleep, i was told that even healthy non aressive dogs get put down because they just can't home them and need the space, they do a fantastic job and i do think that brandy shouldn't have been put down but they just can't afford to spend time on more training etc. Then you look on sites like epupz, just a never ending circle, thousands breed pups while thousands of dogs die! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,261 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Problem started when dogs turned from working animals to pets. It you listened to the guy lastnight the increase they measured was from the 's until today, not exactly a fair statistic. Yeah think thats a lot of the problem,its not just the training.. dogs with huge drive with no outlet for it, it has to come out somewhere, Dogs with huge drive who's owners can provide release from them , have some of the most friendly , quiet, bomb proof with kids animals out there,, the problem is lads just dont know how to chanel drive in a way that makes their canines happy campers,, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cajunrules 8 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 What you all crying about. Did you not hear the stats? 850% increase in bull breeds ending up in kennels. Should be pts before they get through the feckin door. If tossers(such as some on here) would stop breeding for a quick buck and selling to anyone who can be arsed to drag themselves out of bed to pick one up...we wouldn't have to watch that shit on tv. Point made ~ give me your best . FTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 "Well it was and wasn't a mistake if you know what I mean" That quote sums up the whole programme and the peddlers all around. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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