hancock dogs

[Simoman 110]

So off I went to Hancocks kennels, In truth I dont agree with his methods, that shouldnt surprise you as I cry at lassie films, but what you get is open and transparant, what you see is what you get, I had a 45 min tour, David Hancock told me that the RSPCA visited every 6 to 12 Months, now come on are we saying that the RSPCA would let Hancock's continue to trade if the dogs wernt in reasonable conditions, they are prolific in taking on people whom are treating there dogs / animals badly, both my dogs are 100% what I wanted, they will not be the best coursing dogs and Im sure they wont bring down any biison, but for a loyal companion, which loves to fill the pot and gives me the hours of pleasure, they are spot on, in my opinion too many people buy a pup and expect it to train itself, for your pup to achieve it's potential......you have to give it the time and effort it deserves.

 

So you don't agree with his methods but paid for two of his pups, just a little hypocritical isn't it? You say your dogs are 100% what you want, well different folks have diiferent levels of expectation from there dogs. Its not about buying a pup and expecting it to train itself, if you wanted a working gundog/terrier/guard dog/sled dog etc etc you wouldn't trawl the free ads and its the same with a working lurcher. Answer this question, if you wanted a pup you would invest time and investigate litters for the best choice, would you A) purchase a pup from parents who have been tested and found to be good working dogs or B, Buy a pup from an ex-racer sired by a dog that has never been grafted and spends its life ina kennel or chain and is only let off to line bitches?

 

Anybody who answers B is either a liar or a total messer............

[Ashover rabbit dogs 76]

all puppy farms should be shut down, but its not just puppy farms that need to be stopped, my friend recently got ripped off with a pup they where buying from a GENUINE place, they went paid good money for the pup. when they got home and checked the envelope they got with the pup the docking papers and vacc cert where no where to be seen. the pup was supposed to be legaly docked, chipped and vaccinated it wasnt poor thing hadnt even been wormed. at least hancock parvo vaccinates his pups and iv never seen a worm riddled pup from him.

 

was the dog's born in the uk?

All this papers n chip's is all for the vet's to make£££££

Have you seen the vet's dock a pup before I have and its was like been in the butchers!

They love the blood don't they as that mean's it need's stitches So thats more ££££ for the vet!

Where is i have seen many dog's docked by my dad and his old man and not one bit of blood or a yelp!!

This was all before the law was changed!

end of the day This hancock Dose not even WALK his dog's, stuck in a kennel 24/7 soon as they come in to heat they get raped year in year out!! You's can all say well i did not no anyone with the X i wanted till your blue in the face!

If you wanted a X like that so much you would wait for the right one!

yes mate i breed working terriers and i have docked tails before the ban and seen tails docked many many times before. if your vet butchers pups when doing tails i suggest you see a differant vet. not once have my pups needed stitches after docking. the dog was from wales, as far as papers and micro-chips its the law mate. see animal welfair act topic.

[elpc69 0]

Well said ash!

 

You want a lurcher you know your getting it from him, how many add's for lurchers, that are not what they claim to be, where are people supposed to go if there starting out just like you did once upon a time or one man hunters?

 

Even in the for sale section of this site and can't be sure if you ould of get ripped off, end up with a dud and thats even after wading through the ones with replies calling them peddlers for selling pups!

 

Being full of hate doesnt solve the problem, do something constructive about it!

 

 

I've always hunted on my todd, and what i've found is, their are some really decent people in this game, very willing to help a fella out with a pup among other things, i detect a certain snobbery and a fear of having one pulled over you in some posts on this thread, Picking a pup from handcock also shows a little inexperience of the lurcher world ,and the hancock bought pup seems like one way of addressing that lack of knowledge,and dealing with lurchermen, The fact that people are still buying out of his yard,after all these years, probably says more about the state of the lurcher world rather than the ability of his dogs, Never should anyone with an ounce of compassion for dogs buy from a dog breeding farm , Their are decent people in the game, communication and common sense are the key,,

 

I'm sure there is many decent people willing to give you a pup, I bet for everyone of them there a dozen peddlers willing to stiff you! which ones? casue there either arguing amongst themselves, know-it-alls

or peddlers!

 

Snobbery? lol, I'm far from a snob but you are 100% correct I had a fear of having one pulled over me, I've had (not hunting, so yes as far as lurchers go, lack of experince, I here by bow to superioity) dogs most of my life and unlike some, the lurcher I was buying was staying with me till the end, weather it turned out decent or not, Never mind the money! (no i wasn't garanteed a decent dog from hancock, but knew i was getting something along the lines of what I wanted)

 

Even this site which i cam across looking for a lurcher was full of the above (arguing amongst themselves, know-it-alls or peddlers) so your comments now are worthless, as I said, do something construtive about and improve the "state of the lurcher world" rather than posting for the hell of it!

 

Communication here? I've only seen a handfull communicating since joining, the rest sit by waiting to shoot someone down, be little peoples lack of knowledge as if they was born with it most likely to make themselves feel superior, if no new blood so to speak started hunting it would die off, but then you probably wouldn't mind that either, you could call your selfs the "last of the hunters" swap stories about the good ole days, then start arguing who knows more than the other then all die of old age, living in your log cabins in the woods.

[Sully 3]

Firstly if you read my post, I tried the other method, I trawled through the adverts trying to buy a so called worker x, and what I found was a load old cobblers, scum bags and petty criminals, who spend their time trying to defraud good people like me, Im not saying that everyone who has a litter will lie, but I suppose it put me off, I wanted a 3/4 GH x Collie, so smarty pants where do I get a pup from then, if I cant find one ? I dont care what you say, when you buy a Hancock, you get what it says on the tin.

 

Also how do you buy a bull x then thats a proven worker ? your argument is flawed, I would buy either A or B, so I guess that Im, from your view point, a liar and a messer, makes me laugh, Ive not insulted anyone, Im merely putting my view across, but thats probably how you live your life.....your choice

atb Craig.

[Simoman 110]

Firstly if you read my post, I tried the other method, I trawled through the adverts trying to buy a so called worker x, and what I found was a load old cobblers, scum bags and petty criminals, who spend their time trying to defraud good people like me, Im not saying that everyone who has a litter will lie, but I suppose it put me off, I wanted a 3/4 GH x Collie, so smarty pants where do I get a pup from then, if I cant find one ? I dont care what you say, when you buy a Hancock, you get what it says on the tin.

 

Also how do you buy a bull x then thats a proven worker ? your argument is flawed, I would buy either A or B, so I guess that Im, from your view point, a liar and a messer, makes me laugh, Ive not insulted anyone, Im merely putting my view across, but thats probably how you live your life.....your choice

atb Craig.

 

Getting the right pup isn't always a quick task, if you don't know decent lads you have to put time and effort into looking for a pup, thats life. If you can't find what you want you wait, simple!! I didn't mention a bull cross so how is my argument flawed? Anyone who buys a puppy from a peddler (any breed) is guilty of promoting intensive money making from dogs, fact. I wasn't aiming the messer comment at you, just anyone who buys pups from peddlers and untested stock........

 

As for how I live my life, well you will never know or understand to comment so each to their own but I wouldn't buy an intensively reared pup and expect a GOOD working dog, flukes happen with huge numbers bred but to you can't polish a turd and I would wait, as I have done for the right pup rather than make do, you yourself admitted to not approving of his methods yet lined his pocket and helped keep him in business..........

[iceman001979 1,316]

I have seen a few hancock dogs in my life so good and some very bad but think its a lot do with the owner more then the dog.Hancock as bad name by some people and good name by others all depends on who you talk too.Not into breeding pups just make a few pound but if your making a living and people are still buying your cross ( hancock ) then way not it well never stop until people stop buying if there is a buyer there is always a seller.

If people are looking buy a hancock dog why not buy out off litter off two hancock dogs that have proven it in the field instead off buying from two none workers???

I can see the point get a pup out dogs that have never seen a field and never just does not make any sence

[graham4877 1,181]

all puppy farms should be shut down, but its not just puppy farms that need to be stopped, my friend recently got ripped off with a pup they where buying from a GENUINE place, they went paid good money for the pup. when they got home and checked the envelope they got with the pup the docking papers and vacc cert where no where to be seen. the pup was supposed to be legaly docked, chipped and vaccinated it wasnt poor thing hadnt even been wormed. at least hancock parvo vaccinates his pups and iv never seen a worm riddled pup from him.

 

was the dog's born in the uk?

All this papers n chip's is all for the vet's to make£££££

Have you seen the vet's dock a pup before I have and its was like been in the butchers!

They love the blood don't they as that mean's it need's stitches So thats more ££££ for the vet!

Where is i have seen many dog's docked by my dad and his old man and not one bit of blood or a yelp!!

This was all before the law was changed!

end of the day This hancock Dose not even WALK his dog's, stuck in a kennel 24/7 soon as they come in to heat they get raped year in year out!! You's can all say well i did not no anyone with the X i wanted till your blue in the face!

If you wanted a X like that so much you would wait for the right one!

yes mate i breed working terriers and i have docked tails before the ban and seen tails docked many many times before. if your vet butchers pups when doing tails i suggest you see a differant vet. not once have my pups needed stitches after docking. the dog was from wales, as far as papers and micro-chips its the law mate. see animal welfair act topic.

So its was from wales You can do them in Ireland you no witch is just a short ferry hope and cheaper!

Some people take their dog's over their to have the pup's!

Dont worry mate am lining the bitch a bred with in the next week and i wont be going to the same vet's!

I no the LAW in side out mate! And its a joke Just like all the law's passed when the labor party was running the place "In to the ground"

But saying that i dont think a Dog should be docked for look's!

But

Funny the wife has just come in with the form's from the new vet's!

[Mickey Finn 3,081]

May I ask a couple questions?

 

1. What does everyone have against making money from raising dogs?

2. Does anyone know how many litters hancock breeds a year?

3. Has anyone got the address of Hancocks kennels?

 

I've not read where anyone said Hancocks pups are unsound or sickly in any way. Quite the opposite in fact. Undisputed, who it's obvious everyone on this site respects. Says it's a good place to get a collie cross. I believe him.

If I can't find one over here. Thats where I will go for one.

 

Good luck this coming season!

[bird 10,014]

does any one run hancock dogs on here just wondering if they are any good ?

 

one of the best dog,s a ever saw was a hancock bitch 3/4 breed took all quarry day & night but she love charlie boy atb keano

 

i know 2 lads that had them ( 1/4 collie b/b 3/4 grey) big dogs 27in, as a bove good on fox and not bad on hares, and good on rabbits .His 1/4 xs do seem not bad dogs, dont know about the other xs. ?? and i think this x , is the best of all the colliexs, if from him or where ever you get it.With any lurcher x, you need that bit of luck when you pick your pup that day.??

[Simoman 110]

May I ask a couple questions?

 

1. What does everyone have against making money from raising dogs?

2. Does anyone know how many litters hancock breeds a year?

3. Has anyone got the address of Hancocks kennels?

 

I've not read where anyone said Hancocks pups are unsound or sickly in any way. Quite the opposite in fact. Undisputed, who it's obvious everyone on this site respects. Says it's a good place to get a collie cross. I believe him.

If I can't find one over here. Thats where I will go for one.

 

Good luck this coming season!

 

1. First of all, I hate the fact people are making money from dogs on a grand scale, to me its unethical

2. No Idea to be honest, when i went he had four litters on the ground and an unsocialised 6 month old dog to sell

3. NO, but he has a website, which if i'm correct mentions nothing about the working capabilities of the dogs

 

Some of the pups I saw were great, others were quiet and needed more socialisation and anyone who knows about dogs knows that the crucial time to get the pup socialised for life is before they are rehomed, just read the work done by Scott and Fuller.

If you decide to ship one over good luck to you but with some of the grafters you have over there i'd save my dollar.................

 

Chalkie, what you say makes sense, and as long as the queue at his yard continues why should he stop????????????

[Sully 3]

Your assuming, wrongly that I went out on a whim and purchased the first available pup, the truth is, my last lurcher dieing ripped the heart out of our family, my kids and we were all gutted, you see a dog to me isnt something that I pass on without a care in the world like others do, my dog is guaranteed to stay with me for life, so yes I put time and effort into getting the right pup, and du know what, I got exactly what I wanted, in-fact I was so happy with Lexy, we ve had another Hancock bred dog and he too is a cracking strong healthy pup, who is easily trained and very eager to please.

 

With regards to the Bull x's how do you get a first x bull which is from working stock ? are you saying then that only workers to workers will have good working pups ? come on we both know that thats not the case, perhaps your saying that the probabilities are greater that a good worker will come from a worker to worker breeding ? not so sure, tried and tested maybe ? perhaps you'll put me straight and show me the error of my ways.....but I dont think so,

 

why oh why do all these "Hancock thread "cause such bad feelings, your probably a decent fella, who like me loves his dogs and yet these Hancock threads makes us want to tear pieces off each other, it doesnt have to be this way,

why cant we put it down to one man's meat is another man's poison !

atb Craig.

[otter 61]

i can think of only one advantage of going to hancocks ...and that is you get exactly what he says it is whether it be a half x or any other the mix is just collie grey .... other than that the man is just a peddler who don't work his dogs , he don't even farm dogs out to lads that would work them

[Simoman 110]

why cant we put it down to one man's meat is another man's poison !

atb Craig.

[Ashover rabbit dogs 76]

all puppy farms should be shut down, but its not just puppy farms that need to be stopped, my friend recently got ripped off with a pup they where buying from a GENUINE place, they went paid good money for the pup. when they got home and checked the envelope they got with the pup the docking papers and vacc cert where no where to be seen. the pup was supposed to be legaly docked, chipped and vaccinated it wasnt poor thing hadnt even been wormed. at least hancock parvo vaccinates his pups and iv never seen a worm riddled pup from him.

 

was the dog's born in the uk?

All this papers n chip's is all for the vet's to make£££££

Have you seen the vet's dock a pup before I have and its was like been in the butchers!

They love the blood don't they as that mean's it need's stitches So thats more ££££ for the vet!

Where is i have seen many dog's docked by my dad and his old man and not one bit of blood or a yelp!!

This was all before the law was changed!

end of the day This hancock Dose not even WALK his dog's, stuck in a kennel 24/7 soon as they come in to heat they get raped year in year out!! You's can all say well i did not no anyone with the X i wanted till your blue in the face!

If you wanted a X like that so much you would wait for the right one!

yes mate i breed working terriers and i have docked tails before the ban and seen tails docked many many times before. if your vet butchers pups when doing tails i suggest you see a differant vet. not once have my pups needed stitches after docking. the dog was from wales, as far as papers and micro-chips its the law mate. see animal welfair act topic.

So its was from wales You can do them in Ireland you no witch is just a short ferry hope and cheaper!

Some people take their dog's over their to have the pup's!

Dont worry mate am lining the bitch a bred with in the next week and i wont be going to the same vet's!

I no the LAW in side out mate! And its a joke Just like all the law's passed when the labor party was running the place "In to the ground"

But saying that i dont think a Dog should be docked for look's!

But

Funny the wife has just come in with the form's from the new vet's!

the dog was born and bred in wales, they where told that it was legaly docked but the person claimed that in wales you dont get documentation or any other proof it was done legaly. it was the first time my friend has purchesed a terrier and its for work thats why she wanted a docked dog. i agree the law is stupid i hate what labour have done to this country. im glad your going to another vet though because that shouldnt happen. the only bad docking experiance iv had was when i had to use a differant vet to do it and he docked short i wasnt impressed i wont go there again. my usual vet could probably do it with his eyes closed, he has been docking for well over 35 years.

[graham4877 1,181]

all puppy farms should be shut down, but its not just puppy farms that need to be stopped, my friend recently got ripped off with a pup they where buying from a GENUINE place, they went paid good money for the pup. when they got home and checked the envelope they got with the pup the docking papers and vacc cert where no where to be seen. the pup was supposed to be legaly docked, chipped and vaccinated it wasnt poor thing hadnt even been wormed. at least hancock parvo vaccinates his pups and iv never seen a worm riddled pup from him.

 

was the dog's born in the uk?

All this papers n chip's is all for the vet's to make£££££

Have you seen the vet's dock a pup before I have and its was like been in the butchers!

They love the blood don't they as that mean's it need's stitches So thats more ££££ for the vet!

Where is i have seen many dog's docked by my dad and his old man and not one bit of blood or a yelp!!

This was all before the law was changed!

end of the day This hancock Dose not even WALK his dog's, stuck in a kennel 24/7 soon as they come in to heat they get raped year in year out!! You's can all say well i did not no anyone with the X i wanted till your blue in the face!

If you wanted a X like that so much you would wait for the right one!

yes mate i breed working terriers and i have docked tails before the ban and seen tails docked many many times before. if your vet butchers pups when doing tails i suggest you see a differant vet. not once have my pups needed stitches after docking. the dog was from wales, as far as papers and micro-chips its the law mate. see animal welfair act topic.

So its was from wales You can do them in Ireland you no witch is just a short ferry hope and cheaper!

Some people take their dog's over their to have the pup's!

Dont worry mate am lining the bitch a bred with in the next week and i wont be going to the same vet's!

I no the LAW in side out mate! And its a joke Just like all the law's passed when the labor party was running the place "In to the ground"

But saying that i dont think a Dog should be docked for look's!

But

Funny the wife has just come in with the form's from the new vet's!

the dog was born and bred in wales, they where told that it was legaly docked but the person claimed that in wales you dont get documentation or any other proof it was done legaly. it was the first time my friend has purchesed a terrier and its for work thats why she wanted a docked dog. i agree the law is stupid i hate what labour have done to this country. im glad your going to another vet though because that shouldnt happen. the only bad docking experiance iv had was when i had to use a differant vet to do it and he docked short i wasnt impressed i wont go there again. my usual vet could probably do it with his eyes closed, he has been docking for well over 35 years.

Oh right i see now mate!! Don't get the papers That breeder should of checked the law as the vet has got to sign the papers by law No if or but about it!!

He would of been better saying they were born over the water!

This new vet say's i can pick how long the tail is to be taken off so am happy about that as the grand mother of the pup's to be born

her tail is a fu*cking joke @ 5 inch long! I have see other springers with nowt left witch Fu*ck's me right off!!

How mush dose you vet charge you?

Av been told £30 a pup for tail dew claw and chip!