Terrier man 38 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Owners out and out. Dogs ar only a danger to the public if there not under control and thats where the owner comes in if the owners not in control of there dog its therefore dangerous and if they cant control it they simply shouldnt have the animal. Its very easy to come to terms with. Any lads iv come accross with strong dogs or just powerfull dogs that cant control them iv advised for them to give them to someone that can. Theres no such thing as bad dogs only bad owners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The one 8,585 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Owner every time most of them don't have a clue see a dog as a child substitute then wonder why they have major problems Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,426 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Theres no such thing as bad dogs only bad owners. This has to be one of the most overused term in the dog world.......and also one of the most ridiculous ! The laws of nature dictate that some dogs are simply " born bad "....yes we can have a positive impact on their lives but nature will be nature just like not every serial killer was battered by an evil father....some were just born bad......thats just the law of nature. No offence by the way mr.terrierman as i know its an easily repeated term. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terrier man 38 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 No problem gnasher. I know thats milked to death at this stage but it was just to get my point accross. Now i see where your coming from where you say you can just get naturly born bad dogs but if it was in the hands of a good/capable owner Would it seem to be such a bad dog?? The dog needs to know whos boss weather its bad or just plan thick. Id feel after owning staffs ebt apt and numerous wheaten hounds and bullx and working the above id like to think i can control them. And i know for a fact if other owners had some of what i had it would make them look like bad owners because one of those staffs as you said was as you would say a bad dog. But then could the biggest part of being a good owner is knowing when the bad dog is bad and cant be controled? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,426 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Not sure i agree terrierman....ive had errmm quite a few pit bulls over the years,before they was illegal of course.....and there was a small number that were good examples of what i describe,they were just wrong uns for want of a better description.....a dog that would not back down or be dominated by man,owner or otherwise....i would consider myself reasonably knowledgable of the breed but even with a great upbringing there are a small number of dogs that cannot be corrected from bad habits and being pts is the only choice......and this i put down to the way nature works. Responsibly pts a " bad dog " i would call being a good owner just the same as getting the most out of a " good dog "....all the best Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 i think it depends as its sometimes bred in to the dog and other times its the owners Ah true, but like i was saying to our lass, a pup is a blank canvas, you can make it how you want. Not always true mate, have been around dogs with what I'd have considered high prey drive most of my life, but the last year has opened my eyes. You can not over ride instinct, you can control it to some extent, but by f**k if it kicks in under the wrong circumstances then you're in the shit! It's a good job I make a good heavy anchor is all I'm saying, even so I was very nearly on my arse. Some breeds are for experienced owners only, God knows what would have happened if it had been some little kid holding my big dog when he decided to go .............. SS you're a top bloke but you wont miss an opportunity to advertise will ya?!!!! Swampy Ninging for the ad agency You misunderstood! I'm a good 18 stone, I therefore "make a good anchor" The gear I make is the bit between the dog and the anchor. Ninging for those who read too fast and jump to conclusions ........ It would appear that I have unwittingly been doing the advertising for you. brgds Swampy Ninging with self loathing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Not sure i agree terrierman....ive had errmm quite a few pit bulls over the years,before they was illegal of course.....and there was a small number that were good examples of what i describe,they were just wrong uns for want of a better description.....a dog that would not back down or be dominated by man,owner or otherwise....i would consider myself reasonably knowledgable of the breed but even with a great upbringing there are a small number of dogs that cannot be corrected from bad habits and being pts is the only choice......and this i put down to the way nature works.Responsibly pts a " bad dog " i would call being a good owner just the same as getting the most out of a " good dog "....all the best There's always going to be the odd couple of psychopathic individuals in any species, be it dogs, ferrets, or even humans. Nature does tend to churn out a few wrong 'uns every now & again! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terrier man 38 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Not sure i agree terrierman....ive had errmm quite a few pit bulls over the years,before they was illegal of course.....and there was a small number that were good examples of what i describe,they were just wrong uns for want of a better description.....a dog that would not back down or be dominated by man,owner or otherwise....i would consider myself reasonably knowledgable of the breed but even with a great upbringing there are a small number of dogs that cannot be corrected from bad habits and being pts is the only choice......and this i put down to the way nature works.Responsibly pts a " bad dog " i would call being a good owner just the same as getting the most out of a " good dog "....all the best I see where your coming from but in the majority witch we ar answering "Bad dogs or bad owners?" It would from my point of view be bad owners . With the few exceptions of course. all the best Terrier man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Nature or Nurture? Can't really prove it either way, weather dogs are born bad or made bad, too many deciding factors to say really. The smallest incident can have huge conciquences, now that is one thing nature teaches us, i think its called the butterfly effect or summats similar. So something quite trivial in a pups upbringing could turn it 'psycho'. Or as has been said, possibly it is genetic, but then it raises the question, why would evolution produce these 'psychos' (i know we are talking about selective breeding here, so not strictly evolution, but theres 'bad uns' in wild species as well as domesticated ones and also humans). Which is why im inclined to believe its environmental, sometimes very small things can trigger it, something which we would completely overlook. jmo, atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOPPER 1,809 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 99% of the time its bad or stupid owners, theres a lot of planks out there that don t know what they ve got ie a weapon on a lead, ive been around dogs of all sizes all my life and hand on heart i only ever had one go bad on me and i still say that was her breeding i had the dog at 6 months a pit x mastiff lovely dog but at 2 year old she flipped and wanted to kill everything and everybody inc me so she caught a lead asperin and that sorted her problem out but it was a real shame as up to then she was a model dog . SS i make a better anchor all 25 stone and that black bitch of mine will test it to the full if she spots any prey about !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
para1 11 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Watched the program and got very annoyed at every dog being labeled pit bulls.Tossers haven't got a clue.I say one pit bull cross A VERY SAD EXCUSE FOR PUTING A DOG TO SLEEP. As for your pol Owners every time, P1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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